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[deadwinter890]

i saved them.



to be fair...they didn't accept visions as proof. i mean...come on. you can't expect them to risk open warfare with the terminus systems or risk erroneously ostracizing their numero uno spectre based on such suspect proof.



that said, the turian council was a right dick. i wish he had fallen out of an airlock or something.

[Maria Caliban]

monopolydog wrote...

I went for the neutral option; i.e Concentrate on Sovereign rather than saving the council. It just seemed to make the most sense to me.

Do they die with the neutral option?

[Toranilor]

I saved the council, mostly because I felt that it was my duty as a spectre to safeguard the council. Also, it would be a crucial move against the reapers (if they invaded/sovereign was too strong), as a key part of their strategy was wiping out galactic government in a single attack.



Keeping the council alive would have enabled them to rally the other organic races against any other threat.



Also, I'm generally not one for sacrificing others. My shep leaned from ... that mission.

[atheelogos]

I sacraficed them on my first playthrough. This was the most logical choice imo. There was no way I could know the outcome if I saved them. I was sure that I would lose too many ships if I tryed to save them. And I tried numerous times to warn them about the Reapers and they wouldn't listen. They died because of their actions alone.
With that said let it be known that I played a paragon and I didn't want them to die, but it couldn't have worked out any other way.

[Collider]

The most natural option felt to me was to concentrate on sovereign. The council is fine and dandy, but they don't matter if everyone is dead.

[MojojojoeJDH]

The Council was being stupid not cautious. When all things were said and done had you told the Council, "told you so", it really wouldn't cover it. They didn't believe you every step of the way and you proved you were right every step of the way. CAUTION would have been to send you in YOUR STEALTH SHIP, to verify what you had been telling them all along, not simply ignore it as an impossibility.



As for the Ascension having more than just the Council on board its irrelevant. When the Alliance showed up and the Ascension said save us the Council is on board. Their priority was the Council not themselves, they saw their own lives as irrelevant compared to the lives of the council members. I agree with the person who pointed out that the Ascension was an over-sized piece of junk that couldn't handle one reaper. As well as the whole, by any means necessary bit. The council had become too steeped in power to realize what was going on, they were blind and refused to see reason and truth.



And as for the galaxies reaction to killing them, well they can pass on the blame to humans for not saving them, and humans can in turn pass the blame on the Council for not heeding their warning, making the Councils fate what parents like to call "natural consequences."



Personally my decision, besides being about how much I disliked the idiots, is quite Darwinian. Survival of the fittest. They were not fit for duty, had they made different choices they never would have been put in such a compromising position.

[atheelogos]

Darth Sithari wrote...

Dug this out of a thread from the old forums.

1. Killing the Council would create a power vacum, in addition to causing further mistrust of the Alliance. This could lead to a delay in the races unifying their defenses, or even begin a civil war, all of which bleed efforts away from preparing for a Reaper invasion.

2. The Destiny Ascenscion. Ship's just too damn powerful to throw away. In a future battle against another Reaper, I'll feel alot better having that giant boomstick at my back.

3. It's my duty, I took an oath. Might be what many would see as the weakest reason, but it matters to me.

4. No tradeoff, as far as we know. Whether you choose to let them live or not, the Alliance Navy is still the strongest in the aftermath, Sovereign still gets destroyed, so why not just save them?

#3. The oath is to pertect the galaxy not its leaders.

#4. This one is a cheat. Its cheap as hell to save the Council only because you know the outcome of both choices.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Jacob says the outcome = nothing changes. Politics reign supreme.

I save the Council for a lot of reasons, though saving the lives of those 3 individuals is not the primary reason.

That's only one scenario.  It could have different outcomes if you DID save them or who you choose (Udina/Anderson).  

[atheelogos]

MojojojoeJDH wrote...

The Council was being stupid not cautious. When all things were said and done had you told the Council, "told you so", it really wouldn't cover it. They didn't believe you every step of the way and you proved you were right every step of the way. CAUTION would have been to send you in YOUR STEALTH SHIP, to verify what you had been telling them all along, not simply ignore it as an impossibility.

As for the Ascension having more than just the Council on board its irrelevant. When the Alliance showed up and the Ascension said save us the Council is on board. Their priority was the Council not themselves, they saw their own lives as irrelevant compared to the lives of the council members. I agree with the person who pointed out that the Ascension was an over-sized piece of junk that couldn't handle one reaper. As well as the whole, by any means necessary bit. The council had become too steeped in power to realize what was going on, they were blind and refused to see reason and truth.

And as for the galaxies reaction to killing them, well they can pass on the blame to humans for not saving them, and humans can in turn pass the blame on the Council for not heeding their warning, making the Councils fate what parents like to call "natural consequences."

Personally my decision, besides being about how much I disliked the idiots, is quite Darwinian. Survival of the fittest. They were not fit for duty, had they made different choices they never would have been put in such a compromising position.

preach it brother!!! Your logic is sound.

Modifié par atheelogos, 18 janvier 2010 - 04:06 .

[Permutation]

I was more concerned with saving everyone else, so I chose to focus on destroying Sovereign.

[SnakeStrike8]

I did save the Council, but primarily because it was the best tactical decision available. The geth ships that are pounding on the Ascension are still a threat to the Alliance fleet and the last thing we need is them kicking the fleet in the arse as they fire on the Reaper. So it's best to attack them while they're tied up with the Ascension before consolidating and moving on to Sovereign.

[Dewarren2010]

I killed them in my first play through, so I'll kill them in my imported play through. In all reality, you couldn't know that Sovereign would *SPOILERS* transfer his "mind" into Saren, so I decided that a few (though important) lives were less valuable than the billions that would die if humanity loss too many ships to take out Sovereign after saving the council. Just my opinion

[atheelogos]

And also people sit here and say the council is needed to rally the galaxy. Would you really trust them to do that. I mean come they left the Quarians to the mercy of the geth. They sat by while billions died!! Sry I was just thinking of the Quarians and had to add that last part.

Modifié par atheelogos, 18 janvier 2010 - 04:40 .

[Willowhugger]

Focusing on the Geth would be even worse than saving the Destiny's Ascension.



If they didn't wipe out Sovereign and fought the Geth, they'd be doomed.



Remember, Sovereign is basically the Death Star.

[DeathCultArm]

I cna never think of a reason to save them. Besides how aful their judgement, and plan of action were the didn't deserve to live anyway. And Sovereign was the top priority anyway.

[DaeJi]

I choose save. It was just a more... heroic action.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I saved them. If there's a chance to save them and get rid of Sovereign then why not. I did it because I wanted to prove them wrong about humanity. To prove that it's not all about when it comes to humans. I also like the cutscene where the Destiny Ascension gets saved way too much that I made 6 characters and only one is a renegade. The only way to deal with Sovereign is with the other species. Humanity can't be fighting against the aliens and agains the Reapers at the same time plus I would hate if everyone started to label humans as power hungry because of that.

[Lord Jaric]

I notice that some people say they let them die because of the threat of the reapers, remember by this time the citadel was under Shepard's control, so the only reaper threat was sovereign.

[Balek-Vriege]

I always saved the council because I feel like a jerk not doing so and I can't give up the Destiny Ascension.



The human fleet losses can probably be rebuilt quite easily. What can't be replaced so easily is a high tech super dreadnaught that took a beating for at least 10-20 minutes from the entire Geth Fleet and has the firepower of almost an entire fleet itself. Failing to save the Council seems like it would just open up a bigger divide between aliens and humans in the long run. A full human council could even end up causing a civil war within Citadel space.

[kingboomachoo]

I saved them the first couple of times then I realized they all were better off dead because they keep calling me a lair throughout the game and when they finally asked for help it was a "who was right?" moment and I thought the universe is better off with more open minded people in command.

I still put anderson in charge though. 

[King Killoth]

I saved the coincil for the simple reason that it would help bring humanity closer to the other speacies and help build a stronger force agenst the reapers. Live is all that is important. even if some must die for others to live.

[asaiasai]

My original opinion of the council is the same i have for all politicians, fire them all, prefereably out of a cannon into the middle of the Atlantic, the only problem is ****e floats so they will wash back up. The council died and so did the reaver some of you may die and that is a sacrifice i am willing to make.

I warned the council on several occasions and they chose not to believe what i said. They had every opportunity to avoid thier fate so it is about time imho the the people who make decisions actually have to bear the consequences of thier decisions. I have always beleived that if the first people to hit the beach were the politicians and the diplomats there would be a lot less conflict.

Killing Soverign imho was a message to the Reavers, 'We will not go quietly and Soverign is the first of many should you choose conflict". It was also a message to the other races in that the reavers are not invincible and humanity is ready to shoulder it fair share of the galactic defense burden. I thought it should have been a moral boost to the entire alliance, considering what they did to the Protheans whom all the races seemed to be in awe of.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 18 janvier 2010 - 06:13 .

[RyuKazuha]

I play a spectre, and my Sheps priority was saving the Galaxy by defendig the citadel. That's why she gave the order to "concentrate on the souvereign", wich leads to the destruction of the Ascension and death of all councilmembers.

[valleyman88]

I focussed on Sovereign. If Sovereign would have succeeded in it's plan, all sentient life in the galaxy would have been wiped out. To risk all that for saving the ascension is reckless. Even if you had a guarantee that you could actually save the ship, there is absolutely no way of knowing that Sovereign could have been defeated with the fleet weakened. The odds of taking him down with the entire fleet intact didn't look too good to begin with.

The council members could have been succeeded. They no doubt have vice-council members or something similar lined up to take their place in the event of their death. The crew may have been nearly 5000 Asari, but the alliance vessels you lose saving them have crew members too. The ship itself may be one of the most powerful ships of the council races, but it wasn't helping in the fight against Sovereign besides tanking Geth missiles. 

[shoemy89]

I saved them. I thought it was pretty obvious that Sovreign would be destroyed either way, so... why not? It would also look a lot better for the Alliance, if the first human Spectre chose to save the Council - made up entirely of alien species - instead of sacrificing them.

While their distrust of my decisions in the game was a bit aggravating, I could understand their caution. I mean... Shepard claims to have visions of a machine race thought to be nothing more than a myth, and is the only one to see this? I think I'd be a little skeptical too. And their trust of Saren over Shepard at first? He'd been a Spectre for over 20 years, and as far as the Council knew, had kept on doing his job. Again, understandable. ...If not a bit frustrating.

Modifié par shoemy89, 18 janvier 2010 - 06:37 .