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I've been wondering why a developer would make a game where you could die at the end of it, and not see the next game with that character.  From all the interviews, this "character death" is supposed to be a meaningful one that will make sense when the credits roll.

I have a theory that the character death will somehow actually lead to the end of the reaper invasion.  Perhaps Shepard flies the normandy into the only mass effect relay the reapers can use, or some such stuff.  It's just speculation on my part.

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makes sense. and with good reason that ending would lead to your death and not be able to import it to the 3rd

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chaosapiant wrote...

I've been wondering why a developer would make a game where you could die at the end of it, and not see the next game with that character.  From all the interviews, this "character death" is supposed to be a meaningful one that will make sense when the credits roll.

I have a theory that the character death will somehow actually lead to the end of the reaper invasion.  Perhaps Shepard flies the normandy into the only mass effect relay the reapers can use, or some such stuff.  It's just speculation on my part.

uh.....no

if your shepard dies in ME2 you just cannot import him in ME3....which was already confirmed

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crimzontearz wrote...

chaosapiant wrote...

I've been wondering why a developer would make a game where you could die at the end of it, and not see the next game with that character.  From all the interviews, this "character death" is supposed to be a meaningful one that will make sense when the credits roll.

I have a theory that the character death will somehow actually lead to the end of the reaper invasion.  Perhaps Shepard flies the normandy into the only mass effect relay the reapers can use, or some such stuff.  It's just speculation on my part.

uh.....no

if your shepard dies in ME2 you just cannot import him in ME3....which was already confirmed


Yes, we already know that.  What i'm saying is that there is a reason that this is even an option; because it's part of the story.  This has already been confirme.  It's more than just "you died, reload."

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They said, early on, that if you die in this game. You play *A* Shepard, but not THE Shepard.

I assume there's an option for playing a Clone or something in Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par Willowhugger, 18 janvier 2010 - 01:45 .


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Do you have any links or anything? I haven't seen anything like this. The closest i've read is that if Shep dies in ME2, then you start a new char in ME3. But it's still the "Shep" from the previous two games, as though the story in the first two supported it all along.

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chaosapiant wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

chaosapiant wrote...

I've been wondering why a developer would make a game where you could die at the end of it, and not see the next game with that character.  From all the interviews, this "character death" is supposed to be a meaningful one that will make sense when the credits roll.

I have a theory that the character death will somehow actually lead to the end of the reaper invasion.  Perhaps Shepard flies the normandy into the only mass effect relay the reapers can use, or some such stuff.  It's just speculation on my part.

uh.....no

if your shepard dies in ME2 you just cannot import him in ME3....which was already confirmed


Yes, we already know that.  What i'm saying is that there is a reason that this is even an option; because it's part of the story.  This has already been confirme.  It's more than just "you died, reload."


yes, it m,eans that if you die in ME2 at the end then when you play ME3 you will have to start with a "default" shepard like in ME2 if you do not import

the reaprs will be dealt with once and for all in ME3...your death in ME2 will have no bearing on that.......you just died in the service of the SA/the coincul/whatever while still accomplishing the suicide mission (which does not involve permanently destroying or defeating the reapers.

Also, it is not a "choice" you make.....you die permanently in ME2 at the end if you did not upgrade the normandy and if you did not perform the loyalty missions.....in other words you die as a consequence of being lazy

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I thought it was implied that if shepard dies in the final mission, the mission was a failure?

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chaosapiant wrote...

Do you have any links or anything? I haven't seen anything like this. The closest i've read is that if Shep dies in ME2, then you start a new char in ME3. But it's still the "Shep" from the previous two games, as though the story in the first two supported it all along.


It was like months ago, during the early talk about the saves carrying over and how important the role of "dying" was in this game.

Maybe they changed their minds but it stuck in my mind because I kept wondering who BetaShepard was.

Shepard's brother?  Clone?  Nephew?  Codenamed Shepard?

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they said your death would be meanigful not you were lazy so you die.which no one would like.
it would be the alternative end to the mass effect story.
but thats only 1 ending for the game meaning the other endings could mean you didnt stop something big you only stopped the collectors.So you continue that story in ME3.where it could go anywhere.

Modifié par Arrtis, 18 janvier 2010 - 01:52 .


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Willowhugger wrote...

They said, early on, that if you die in this game. You play *A* Shepard, but not THE Shepard.

I assume there's an option for playing a Clone or something in Mass Effect 3.

If you die in ME2, nothing transfers into ME3, not your choices, nothing. The story ends for your Shepard in ME2.

If you make a new game in ME3 it will be with a new Shepard and the story will assume that Shepard survived ME2, it's not a situation where your story continues, but you play as someone else.

If you die in ME2, that's the end of the story.

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Arrtis wrote...

they said your death would be meanigful not you were lazy so you die.which no one would like.
it would be the alternative end to the mass effect story.
but thats only 1 ending for the game meaning the other endings could mean you didnt stop something big you only stopped the collectors.So you continue that story in ME3.where it could go anywhere.


you are kidding me right?

have you not followed the coverage?


casey flat out said "if you rush into the final mission is going to be a bloodbath and everyone will die, if you take your time and upgrade your ship and gain the loyalty of your crew then things will go much more smoothly...you will know whether or not you will be able to survive the suicide mission successfully"

you are reading WAY too much in the whole meaningful death thing

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How many outcomes has Bioware eluded to? It would be nice for some variation in the end ME1 didn't have a whole hell of a lot when you think about it.

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If you die in ME2, that's the end of the story.


I'm not sure about that personally.

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You could die in the end of that garbage Star Wars game, The Force Unleashed, and that was the GOOD ending. Although the death doesn't seem to have been permanent as they're making a sequel.

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the not being prepared and dying doesnt sound liek a story ending

sounds more like a reload




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somebody pointed this out on the previous boards, i think its a great theory:



maybe mass effect 3 is further in the future. if you survived mass effect 2, you are cryogenically frozen at some point and brought back for mass effect 3.



if you died in mass effect 2, you start the game as a future relative of shep



greatest idea i've heard, makes the most sense

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Arrtis wrote...

the not being prepared and dying doesnt sound liek a story ending
sounds more like a reload


sighs fine.....I guess we will know in a week

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thedekker wrote...

somebody pointed this out on the previous boards, i think its a great theory:

maybe mass effect 3 is further in the future. if you survived mass effect 2, you are cryogenically frozen at some point and brought back for mass effect 3.

if you died in mass effect 2, you start the game as a future relative of shep

greatest idea i've heard, makes the most sense

Call me crazy, but I recall a dev saying that if you die in ME2 you can't move that save over to ME3.

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thats what i'm saying, in mass effect 3 the game would start off with sheps great grandson or something, because shep died.

if shep lived, he would be cryogenically frozen and thawed out for me3

Modifié par thedekker, 18 janvier 2010 - 02:16 .


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nah i kinda wish for that too but shepard is gonna be in ME3

and if you get the story death in ME2 its not gonna be able to import.

So it assumes you survived in ME3 which sucks a little but i think i get it.


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Willowhugger wrote...

If you die in ME2, that's the end of the story.


I'm not sure about that personally.


I can confirm that for you, but alas, I have no links for you nor am I willing to search for them. I can tell you for sure that dying in the final mission is a result for going unprepared. Also, when you die, it's the end of story.

If you are willing to do some research, I can tell you that there is Casey Hudson's post lying around somewhere in the old ME2 forums that confirms what I just wrote. Dig in!

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I highly doubt the story continues if you die. Either Shepard heroically dies to end the war, he just sucks and dies along with his crew because he didn't prepare well enough, or he dies heroically to save the mission but not completely win the war and the story ends a bit ambiguously.

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id be happy with dies and prevents the reapers from coming for a very long time.

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