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[Atcherseid]

I wonder if they were thinking of the European Jewish ghettoes when they wrote the Elven alienage. I see some similarites -- a minority group largely restricted to a certain quarter of the city, where they keep their traditions alive.

[WillyPete2171]

Atcherseid wrote...

I wonder if they were thinking of the European Jewish ghettoes when they wrote the Elven alienage. I see some similarites -- a minority group largely restricted to a certain quarter of the city, where they keep their traditions alive.

if that the case, then the human nobles must be the waffen ss...

[thegreateski]

I was wondering how long it would take this thread to reach: The German workers party.

On a related noted. Why is ****s censored?

Modifié par thegreateski, 18 janvier 2010 - 01:46 .

[Fexelea]

I don't think you should narrow it to Jeweish alienation, as the background of the elves is rather different.

They were the proud owners of the land before being defeated and enslaved. Jewish history starts with a nomadic culture which took them to Europe, therefore that wasn't their original land, and the resistance they faced was triggered by different issues.

In a sense, the Elves could be the NA Indians.

[AxellSlade]

Petra in Jordan is obviously the remains of Orzammar, then! JEEBUZ

[Kevin Lynch]

I don't think you'd be able to nail it down to the alienage being modeled after a particular minority group at a certain time in our (world) history. There've been, and continue to be, such areas throughout the world. Most likely it's an amalgamation of any and all.



Which is why you'll find a lot of people noticing similarities based on their own knowledge or experience; each may be right for their part.

[melkathi]

Well, I think a lot of people draw the parallel between Dragon Age Elves and the Jewish people. It has been brought up a few times in other threads.

And the alienage is not simply a slum but far more like a ghetto. Very important detail: it can be locked down by the guards.

A slum would have grown and expanded outside the city walls. The alienages on the other hand remain controlled in size, contained within their boundaries.

Now historicaly medieval towns did have foreign quarters. This is not too strange and not always a preplanned occurance - in modern day cities we still see neighbourhoods that have a dominant national/ethnic minority.

But the city elves have been part of the human lands for hundrets of years. They are not a handful of surface dwarf traders who chose to live close to eachother in a foreign world. So yes, the walled in area reserved for the elven populace is a ghetto with that meaning of the word and not simply a poor neighbourhood.

[Lord Phoebus]

You could make the comparison between the Elves and: the Jewish Ghetto, NA native reservations, the Palestinians in Israel, the indigenous South Africans under aparthied, the helots in Sparta, Anglo-Saxon serfs under the Normans... Unfortunately it's something that happens far too often in our history to draw a single comparison.

[Trajan60]

Is the main character known as the Bear Jew?

Modifié par Trajan60, 18 janvier 2010 - 03:01 .

[Atcherseid]

WillyPete2171 wrote...

Atcherseid wrote...

I wonder if they were thinking of the European Jewish ghettoes when they wrote the Elven alienage. I see some similarites -- a minority group largely restricted to a certain quarter of the city, where they keep their traditions alive.

if that the case, then the human nobles must be the waffen ss...

The first time I read this, I thought you wrote "the waffle ss."

[hyrulehistorian]

the jews are not the only one put in ghettos in history.

[Titius.Vibius]

Why do you have to compare that to the jewish ghetto? Anyway, this is bitter and please stop with the implied bigotry. It is a slum, a ghetto, no way similar to the jewish ghettos of world war 2.

[Wishpig]

Trajan60 wrote...

I sthe main character known as the Bear Jew?

Did anyone else find this movie incredibly boreing? I was looking foward to non stop **** killing action, but only got two hours of people stareing each other down.

[Atcherseid]

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Why do you have to compare that to the jewish ghetto? Anyway, this is bitter and please stop with the implied bigotry. It is a slum, a ghetto, no way similar to the jewish ghettos of world war 2.

I'm not Jewish and I resent the comment on "implied bigotry." There are a lot of historical parallels in this game, and I thought this possible was one of them. OK? And the ghettoes existed a long time before WWII, or didn't you know that before posting?

Modifié par Atcherseid, 18 janvier 2010 - 03:10 .

[Rythuse]

it does resemble a jewish comunnity but it also resembles other ethnicities and such that have had very similar things happen to them in the past only reason you recognize it (through no fault of your own) as jewish is because thats the most known due to WW2

[David Gaider]

Atcherseid wrote...
I wonder if they were thinking of the European Jewish ghettoes when they wrote the Elven alienage. I see some similarites -- a minority group largely restricted to a certain quarter of the city, where they keep their traditions alive.

The medieval Jewish ghettos were the original inspiration behind the alienages, yes. It grew to encompass other things, of course, but all of Thedas started as a fictionalized version of European history, so that is indeed where it began.

[Trajan60]

Wishpig wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

I sthe main character known as the Bear Jew?

Did anyone else find this movie incredibly boreing? I was looking foward to non stop **** killing action, but only got two hours of people stareing each other down.

The first half of the movie was pretty good. The ending was terrible. I was expecting a bad end though because I heard Tarantino had some difficulty coming up with an ending.

[Fexelea]

David Gaider wrote...

Atcherseid wrote...
I wonder if they were thinking of the European Jewish ghettoes when they wrote the Elven alienage. I see some similarites -- a minority group largely restricted to a certain quarter of the city, where they keep their traditions alive.

The medieval Jewish ghettos were the original inspiration behind the alienages, yes. It grew to encompass other things, of course, but all of Thedas started as a fictionalized version of European history, so that is indeed where it began.

I can see the potential PR debacle brewing...

[Titius.Vibius]

Atcherseid wrote...

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Why do you have to compare that to the jewish ghetto? Anyway, this is bitter and please stop with the implied bigotry. It is a slum, a ghetto, no way similar to the jewish ghettos of world war 2.

I'm not Jewish and I resent the comment on "implied bigotry." There are a lot of historical parallels in this game, and I thought this possible was one of them. OK? And the ghettoes existed a long time before WWII, or didn't you know that before posting?

Then the title should be changed to ghetto! Not a jewish ghetto!!!

[Rythuse]

btw im technically jewish and have been jewish for most my life and i dont find these post offending at all so lets not get grumby and actually think Ingloriouse bastards is the best movie i've ever seen



TEDDY F^CKIN WILLIAMS KNOCKS IT OUTTA THE F^CKIN BALL PAK



i'm also from boston so i got the accent =P



the main character is Lt. Aldorain

[Rythuse]

David Gaider wrote...

Atcherseid wrote...
I wonder if they were thinking of the European Jewish ghettoes when they wrote the Elven alienage. I see some similarites -- a minority group largely restricted to a certain quarter of the city, where they keep their traditions alive.

The medieval Jewish ghettos were the original inspiration behind the alienages, yes. It grew to encompass other things, of course, but all of Thedas started as a fictionalized version of European history, so that is indeed where it began.

thats very cool, i'm going to go research on that for a little

[Atcherseid]

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Atcherseid wrote...

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Why do you have to compare that to the jewish ghetto? Anyway, this is bitter and please stop with the implied bigotry. It is a slum, a ghetto, no way similar to the jewish ghettos of world war 2.

I'm not Jewish and I resent the comment on "implied bigotry." There are a lot of historical parallels in this game, and I thought this possible was one of them. OK? And the ghettoes existed a long time before WWII, or didn't you know that before posting?

Then the title should be changed to ghetto! Not a jewish ghetto!!!

Look, other posters have noted different and valid historical comparisons without resorting to personal attacks. You are the only one who got all butthurt about it.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Atcherseid wrote...

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Atcherseid wrote...

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Why do you have to compare that to the jewish ghetto? Anyway, this is bitter and please stop with the implied bigotry. It is a slum, a ghetto, no way similar to the jewish ghettos of world war 2.

I'm not Jewish and I resent the comment on "implied bigotry." There are a lot of historical parallels in this game, and I thought this possible was one of them. OK? And the ghettoes existed a long time before WWII, or didn't you know that before posting?

Then the title should be changed to ghetto! Not a jewish ghetto!!!

Look, other posters have noted different and valid historical comparisons without resorting to personal attacks. You are the only one who got all butthurt about it.

+1 to this.  I personally don't agree with the OP all that much, but crying because he used -Jewish- ghetto instead of a generic one (which isn't the same thing) is pretty sad, man.   I didn't hear you screaming when the Elves were compared to American Indians, or the Japanese, or "Everyone America has ever wronged"  (that's a real thread) or America, etc, etc, etc.....

Get over it.

Modifié par Sloth Of Doom, 18 janvier 2010 - 04:12 .

[David Gaider]

Err... let's not forget that there were Jewish ghettos in medieval times. That's what they were called. Unless someone seriously wishes to advocate that the word "Jewish" is a problem, let's keep the overreaction to a minimum, shall we?

Fexelea wrote...
I can see the potential PR debacle brewing...

Seeing as I've already posted this fact in the past, and I don't see why it would suddenly be a problem now, I really doubt it. Am I missing something?

Modifié par David Gaider, 18 janvier 2010 - 04:21 .