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[GmanFresh]

yes

[SorrowAndJoy7]

Somebody failed history class... it makes a history lover like me sad to see someone blindly rage about something as simple as the term Jewish Ghetto... T_T

[The Gay Warden]

...I'm Jewish.

[Mordaedil]

thegreateski wrote...

I was wondering how long it would take this thread to reach: The German workers party.

On a related noted. Why is ****s censored?

These boards have automatic Godwin's Law in effect.

Which is great.

[ArchigosAJ]

I'm one of a very few Jewish people in my area, so people pick me out all the time. Even when I served in the military when others found out I was Jewish they called me Hitler for most of Boot Camp.

I haven't read the Wikipedia article that David linked yet (planned on it after I post), but I agree on both counts, obviously there's a lot of parallels between the Jewish Ghetto's and the Alienage since that was at least part of the inspiration and the fact that the phrase used is NOT racist, it's pointing out a historical reference.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Atcherseid wrote...

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Atcherseid wrote...

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Why do you have to compare that to the jewish ghetto? Anyway, this is bitter and please stop with the implied bigotry. It is a slum, a ghetto, no way similar to the jewish ghettos of world war 2.

I'm not Jewish and I resent the comment on "implied bigotry." There are a lot of historical parallels in this game, and I thought this possible was one of them. OK? And the ghettoes existed a long time before WWII, or didn't you know that before posting?

Then the title should be changed to ghetto! Not a jewish ghetto!!!

Look, other posters have noted different and valid historical comparisons without resorting to personal attacks. You are the only one who got all butthurt about it.

+1 to this.  I personally don't agree with the OP all that much, but crying because he used -Jewish- ghetto instead of a generic one (which isn't the same thing) is pretty sad, man.   I didn't hear you screaming when the Elves were compared to American Indians, or the Japanese, or "Everyone America has ever wronged"  (that's a real thread) or America, etc, etc, etc.....

Get over it.

Agreed, much like that poster in the accents thread getting all butthurt over just the mention of "brittish accents"  To be honest the new trend of everyone has to be so PC as to not possibly offend anyone is half the problem with more than is prolly appropriate for this thread, so I won't get into it here but the whole Political Correct movement should just go away imo.

[Mordaedil]

ArchigosAJ wrote...

I'm one of a very few Jewish people in my area, so people pick me out all the time. Even when I served in the military when others found out I was Jewish they called me Hitler for most of Boot Camp.

Your boot camp full of ignorant people or do they subscribe to irony or "opposite world" kind of mentality?

I wasn't aware being jewish was even a physically visible feature, and if they were picking on you because you had other rites than they did, that just proves they were dicks in general.

[Zenon]

I'm German and resent the post, which said the Human Nobles represent the Waffen SS. Anyway, to the original topic:

I have no problem with a computer game presenting a situation, which has been inspired by historical facts. Actually finding a new approach in showing actual problems of society and human living by transferring them into a fictional universe with parallels to the "real world" is a great part of any kind of art. And I consider certain well made (computer) games like Dragon Age to be indeed art.

The conclusion of experiencing an injustice in a game, which has parallels to human history, should not be bashing the reference to it, but reflecting on it and perhaps change/adjust one's thinking, speaking and acting.

It is historical fact, that in European history the Jewish people suffered more than others from prejudices and segregation, and sadly were put into ghettos during many periods of history by the citizens and governments of most European countries. But after the transfer into a fictional society this situation stucture can be applied to any kind of segregation -- here it's City Elves -- independent from the original first inspirational source.

If a game or movie helps people to recognize similar social structures or prejudices or political movements promoting segregation and hate, people become more aware of it and hopefully act before anything like the holocaust can ever happen again.

Modifié par Zenon, 18 janvier 2010 - 11:28 .

[Erakleitos]

So we had a feminist complaining about sexism and morrigan's panties, now we have a jewish ghetto complaint... i wonder what may happen next....



Oh yes! No one noticed that there isn't black people in DA:O?

[Zenon]

Erakleitos wrote...

So we had a feminist complaining about sexism and morrigan's panties, now we have a jewish ghetto complaint... i wonder what may happen next....

Oh yes! No one noticed that there isn't black people in DA:O?

Skin color was already topic of a thread. Don't know exactly where and which anymore. You can create a character, which resembles an European, Asian, or native African human in appearance. Basically no limits. The PC could always be an adopted child, if it looks differently from the rest of the family... and be quite unique among his people.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Farvam Hlaalu wrote...

Perhaps Americans being the root cause of misery in the 21st Century?

Actually the middle east is prolly the better cause ya know with all the terrorism and the like but I digress.

[Zenon]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Farvam Hlaalu wrote...

Perhaps Americans being the root cause of misery in the 21st Century?

Actually the middle east is prolly the better cause ya know with all the terrorism and the like but I digress.

Don't feed the trolls.

[Apocalizz]

Erakleitos wrote...

So we had a feminist complaining about sexism and morrigan's panties, now we have a jewish ghetto complaint... i wonder what may happen next....

Oh yes! No one noticed that there isn't black people in DA:O?

So this is quite a violent and dark game, based on Europe? As a European, I object! 

[Rythuse]

ArchigosAJ wrote...

I'm one of a very few Jewish people in my area, so people pick me out all the time. Even when I served in the military when others found out I was Jewish they called me Hitler for most of Boot Camp.
I haven't read the Wikipedia article that David linked yet (planned on it after I post), but I agree on both counts, obviously there's a lot of parallels between the Jewish Ghetto's and the Alienage since that was at least part of the inspiration and the fact that the phrase used is NOT racist, it's pointing out a historical reference.

ya i can back you up on that i've been dealing with people since like 5th grade and im in 11th anyway david already said there based on medevil ghettos

[MoSa09]

Apocalizz wrote...

So this is quite a violent and dark game, based on Europe? As a European, I object! 

As a European, you'll surely know about the violent and dark history of medieval europe? Many things in DAO resembles parts of European history:
The Elven alienage, the chantry, the exalted march, the witch (in DAO also mage) hunting and killing, the power politics and violent clashes of nobles and kingdom's alike, and many more

[melkathi]

MoSa09 wrote...

Apocalizz wrote...

So this is quite a violent and dark game, based on Europe? As a European, I object! 

As a European, you'll surely know about the violent and dark history of medieval europe? Many things in DAO resembles parts of European history:
The Elven alienage, the chantry, the exalted march, the witch (in DAO also mage) hunting and killing, the power politics and violent clashes of nobles and kingdom's alike, and many more

Someone didn't get the joke? :innocent:

[FlintlockJazz]

Hmm, I seem to recall it being said somewhere that the Jewish people also had fears of losing their cultural and ethnic heritage, though I cannot be certain of the validity of this, and so unless I'm able to update later if anyone wants to jump in with whether this is true or not would be appreciated...

[Apocalizz]

melkathi wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...

Apocalizz wrote...

So this is quite a violent and dark game, based on Europe? As a European, I object! 

As a European, you'll surely know about the violent and dark history of medieval europe? Many things in DAO resembles parts of European history:
The Elven alienage, the chantry, the exalted march, the witch (in DAO also mage) hunting and killing, the power politics and violent clashes of nobles and kingdom's alike, and many more

Someone didn't get the joke? :innocent:

It seems us Europeans fail at sarcasm as well! 

[MoSa09]

melkathi wrote...

MoSa09 wrote...

Apocalizz wrote...

So this is quite a violent and dark game, based on Europe? As a European, I object! 

As a European, you'll surely know about the violent and dark history of medieval europe? Many things in DAO resembles parts of European history:
The Elven alienage, the chantry, the exalted march, the witch (in DAO also mage) hunting and killing, the power politics and violent clashes of nobles and kingdom's alike, and many more

Someone didn't get the joke? :innocent:

I guess that's happen's if you just rush through the posts and put in your two cent's on the first opportunity :innocent:
My bad...

[knownastherat]

The world famous ghetto today is anti-Jewish, go figure ..

[hangmans tree]

...planet earth is a ghetto

[Gegenlicht]

Actually, I thought that the Dalish story was also reminiscent of the Jewish Diaspora, both in biblical and medieval times, with the whole quest for a lost homeland leitmotif. I don't have the proof handy, I just remember bursting out of my office after talking to the Keeper-in-training at the Dalish camp and telling my roommate that DA:O Elves are a spin on Jewish myth and history.



Not entirely of course as the themes found in the Elven stories are too global to not also find reflections of any major race segregation theme in history right down to South Africa in the times of Apartheid.

[Bfler]

Isn't it better to compare the Dalish camps with Native American reservations? Human = White Intruders, Dalish = Native Americans