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If Quarian Marksman had Arc grenades instead of Sabotage?


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Would he really be OP? 

I mean the dude lacks any kind of CC, you can't use any power under Marksman and Sabotage CD is too long. Tactical Scan is a nice debuff, but it's single target only, doesn't do any damage on it's own and it's pointless to scan mooks with it.

Tsol get's 2 powers to CC with and a debuff + added stability and higher shields. Quarian does get a hop, but the lack of CC makes him really vulnerable

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People would complain he is OP.

Doesn't matter if he is or isn't.

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prostheticlimbs wrote...

People would complain he is OP.

Doesn't matter if he is or isn't.


QFT.

although tac scan with marksman does make for a nice boss melting combo. People (namely mr tacscan auto aims headshots aka stardusk) were already speculating that he would be OP.

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Woulda been nice.
A bit repetitive but a power that can actually work with Marksman would have been appreciated.
Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda.

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DHKany wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

People would complain he is OP.

Doesn't matter if he is or isn't.


QFT.

although tac scan with marksman does make for a nice boss melting combo. People (namely mr tacscan auto aims headshots aka stardusk) were already speculating that he would be OP.

:lol:

 

Yeah, but it's not really better than Warp which can be spammed and detonated. Area scan? Who needs it, when everyone can have a Geth Scanner. 

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Marksman + grenade spam in one class? Might as well give him repair matrix as well and be done with it.
:whistle:

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No; he'd pale in comparison to the male engi and infi.

Sabotage is a nice touch - it's defo under-appreciated.

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Marksman + grenade spam in one class? Might as well give him repair matrix as well and be done with it.

 

Um? Cloak + Grenade spam that is QMI? 80% straight damage without breaking cloak. 

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AustereLemur799 wrote...

No; he'd pale in comparison to the male engi and infi.

Sabotage is a nice touch - it's defo under-appreciated.

 

If you go around sabotaging things, the CD is so long that you don't get to marksman things.

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What is CC? I'm not sure what OP means either, I'm guessing...overpowered?

Anyway, I don't think it would turn him into an amazing character (or 'kit', lol). I don't use sabotage on this guy, I consider it a worthless power on him (it's great on the turian engineer though), especially when you have tactical scan, which is really nice. I'm a big fan on tactical scan, even though it can only be used on single targets, it still gives you a really decent damage boost.

Arc grenades wouldn't synergise with any of his other powers. The reason why arc grenades are amazing on the quarian engineer is because of incinerate. Arc grenades on their own are kind of meh, unless you're playing a demolisher who has access to a ton of grenades, but even then, they're not exactly amazing.

Right now, I can't think of any other power which could serve as a decent replacement in place of sabotage.

I'm not a big fan of the quarian marksman. I know this isn't a thread for comparing characters, but why use the quarian marksman when you have the turian marksman (better weapon damage, stability bonus, better health and shields)? The turian is superior in every way, in my opinion.

They really failed miserably with the quarian marksman, he's such a badly implemented character (or 'kit', lol). I just don't get this character.

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Sabotage is appreciated the exact right amount for what it does - nothing.

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No I don't think it would be OP just a little worse QMI.

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What is CC? I'm not sure what OP means either, I'm guessing...overpowered?

Anyway, I don't think it would turn him into an amazing character (or 'kit', lol). I don't use sabotage on this guy, I consider it a worthless power on him (it's great on the turian engineer though), especially when you have tactical scan, which is really nice. I'm a big fan on tactical scan, even though it can only be used on single targets, it still gives you a really decent damage boost.

Arc grenades wouldn't synergise with any of his other powers. The reason why arc grenades are amazing on the quarian engineer is because of incinerate. Arc grenades on their own are kind of meh, unless you're playing a demolisher who has access to a ton of grenades, but even then, they're not exactly amazing.

Right now, I can't think of any other power which could serve as a decent replacement in place of sabotage.

I'm not a big fan of the quarian marksman. I know this isn't a thread for comparing characters, but why use the quarian marksman when you have the turian marksman (better weapon damage, stability bonus, better health and shields)? The turian is superior in every way, in my opinion.

They really failed miserably with the quarian marksman, he's such a badly implemented character (or 'kit', lol). I just don't get this character.

 

CC = Crowd Control. Also - how does Sabotage synergize with Marksman or Tac Scan? It cuts into cooldowns and can't be used when under Marksman. Arc grenades could be thrown out UNDER Maksman to stun enemies and debuff them which would allow for headshots. And you could detonate your ammo powers with them. Now that's synergy.

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prostheticlimbs wrote...

Sabotage is appreciated the exact right amount for what it does - nothing.


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Actually, you're right. It's effectiveness is entirely circumstantial. It's best against geth, and it's usefulness against Cerberus is limited and mainly based on luck.

I suppose it really doesn't live up to its billing, as it were.

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Agreed. Quarian Soldier pretty much blows

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He's really good, but I agree, he lacks any kind of CC. Now that I think about it... I'm going to try the Venom on him next! x)

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He's really good, but I agree, he lacks any kind of CC. Now that I think about it... I'm going to try the Venom on him next! x)

 

Venom is a charge weapon so you're basically pretty much wasting his accuracy or ROF bonuses on him and you can't get headshots. 

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Arc Nades would make'm a great character. Arc Nade -> Light stunned mooks up with Marksman. It'd circumvent his lack of shields.

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Arc Nades would make'm a great character. Arc Nade -> Light stunned mooks up with Marksman. It'd circumvent his lack of shields.

 

Exactly. You woudn't even need full fitness then, that is MANDATORY now. 

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I'd enjoy the marksman even more then.
It would be a little much to have all of the Qurian males to have arc grenades though...

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AustereLemur799 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Sabotage is appreciated the exact right amount for what it does - nothing.


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Actually, you're right. It's effectiveness is entirely circumstantial. It's best against geth, and it's usefulness against Cerberus is limited and mainly based on luck.

I suppose it really doesn't live up to its billing, as it were.


I personally find Sabotage very effective, no matter what enemy. The backfire-damage is considerable and the Tech-Bursts are really strong. I agree though that it's a bit weird on the Marksman, not as useful as on the QFI or the Saboteur.
It is actually a quite useful power on Platinum in my opionion just because it's way less circumstanstial. Same goes for all the pets.

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I'd enjoy the marksman even more then.
It would be a little much to have all of the Qurian males to have arc grenades though...

 

Yeah, but that would make him a great character instead of a scrub who can only shoot and shoot worse than Tsol.

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Air Quotes wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

He's really good, but I agree, he lacks any kind of CC. Now that I think about it... I'm going to try the Venom on him next! x)

 

Venom is a charge weapon so you're basically pretty much wasting his accuracy or ROF bonuses on him and you can't get headshots. 

I don't care, if it's not optimal. I'll have fun with my favourite weapon on anything. :wub:

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Leland Gaunt wrote...

AustereLemur799 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Sabotage is appreciated the exact right amount for what it does - nothing.


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Actually, you're right. It's effectiveness is entirely circumstantial. It's best against geth, and it's usefulness against Cerberus is limited and mainly based on luck.

I suppose it really doesn't live up to its billing, as it were.


I personally find Sabotage very effective, no matter what enemy. The backfire-damage is considerable and the Tech-Bursts are really strong. I agree though that it's a bit weird on the Marksman, not as useful as on the QFI or the Saboteur.
It is actually a quite useful power on Platinum in my opionion just because it's way less circumstanstial. Same goes for all the pets.


See, I do enjoy Sabotage on the Saboteur and QFI. It's just taking up space on the Marksman, though.

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Well. Not OP in the 'game-breaking' sense because no kit is, but it might become one of those 'hmm better PUG plat because otherwise this will be too easy' kits.

Arc Grenades on their own aren't all that crazy though. What might be more interesting is replacing Tac Scan with Arc Grenades, that would offer some interesting possibilities that might actually be worth forgoing Marksman for 3.57 seconds.

Another interesting option would have been pre-nerf stim packs. Marksman, Tac Scan, and Stims would be a really good kit.

also CC is for scrubs

Modifié par lightswitch, 03 juillet 2013 - 02:56 .