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[Creator Limbs]

Homing Grenades are good.

BSN's dislike of them is...confusing.

[iOnlySignIn]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Homing Grenades are good.

For one thing, and that is detonating Tech explosions while you're soloing.

I find soloing very boring and on the rare occasions when I do solo I'd have much better tools to use than Homing Grenades.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 03 juillet 2013 - 03:42 .

[mol6x7]

Air Quotes wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Homing Grenades are good.

For one thing, and that is detonating Tech explosions while you're soloing.

I find soloing very boring and on the rare occasions when I do solo I'd have much better tools to use than Homing Grenades.

 

They are "fire and forget". You peek out - fire split nades and get back into cover in one motion. Minimum exposure.

ALL grenades are fire-and-forget. Not much of a bonus feature.

[lightswitch]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Instead of Sabotage give him Stim Packs.

Problem Solved.

lol I suggested this on the last page kind of as a joke....

A QMS with Stim Packs would be able to break the 5000 DPS plateau with the right loadout - and that's not even counting headshot multipliers or ammo power damage. Would be crazy OP.

He has no CC and no Cloak. Would still be just an alternative TSol that is slightly trickier (and more fun) to use.

Edit: Also, I mean post-nerf Stim Packs, with possible further Shield bonus reduction (proportional to his base Shields).

Trickier? What are you smoking? We're talking about stim packs here. FWIW a GI with a Hurricane can't break the 5000 DPS plateau

Modifié par lightswitch, 03 juillet 2013 - 03:49 .

[lightswitch]

Air Quotes wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Instead of Sabotage give him Stim Packs.

Problem Solved.

lol I suggested this on the last page kind of as a joke....

A QMS with Stim Packs would be able to break the 5000 DPS plateau with the right loadout - and that's not even counting headshot multipliers or ammo power damage. Would be crazy OP.

He has no CC and no Cloak. Would still be just an alternative TSol that is slightly trickier (and more fun) to use.

Edit: Also, I mean post-nerf Stim Packs, with possible further Shield bonus reduction (proportional to his base Shields).

Trickier? What are you smoking? We're talking about stim packs here. FWIW a GI with a Hurricane can't break the 5000 DPS plateau

 

On Paper DPS <--------- Practical DPS + Stagger + Debuff

Debuffs are already taken into account in those figures. Not sure why you'd need a staggering power when you've got Stim Packs to absorb damage and likely the best DPS in the game to waste on whatever is unlucky enough to be in your vicinity.

Modifié par lightswitch, 03 juillet 2013 - 04:02 .

[Abramsrunner]

I want Multi-Frags on him as opposed to Arc-grenades it would be repetitive to have Arcs on him like the other the male two Quarians.

Also inb4lolcainmines :3

[DHKany]

Air Quotes wrote...

DHKany wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...
People would complain he is OP.
Doesn't matter if he is or isn't.

QFT.
although tac scan with marksman does make for a nice boss melting combo. People (namely mr tacscan auto aims headshots aka stardusk) were already speculating that he would be OP.

 

Yeah, but it's not really better than Warp which can be spammed and detonated. Area scan? Who needs it, when everyone can have a Geth Scanner. 

you know 25% rebuff is nothing to laugh at.

[Abramsrunner]

Air Quotes wrote...

M1A2 Abrams Tank wrote...

I want Multi-Frags on him as opposed to Arc-grenades it would be repetitive to have Arcs on him like the other the male two Quarians.

Also inb4lolcainmines :3

 

Well Arcs suit the Quarians. Multi-frags would be weird. 

We have three kits with Arc grenades, one with Multi-frags and I think it boring to have three kits with the same two powers.

[Miniditka77]

The QMS with Arc Grenades instead of Sabotage would not be any more OP than the QMI.  Marksman really isn't an all-around better power than Tactical Cloak, so I'd call them about even.  The QMS would be better with ARs and SMGs, and the QMI would be better with shotguns and snipers.

[Miniditka77]

DHKany wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

DHKany wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...
People would complain he is OP.
Doesn't matter if he is or isn't.

QFT.
although tac scan with marksman does make for a nice boss melting combo. People (namely mr tacscan auto aims headshots aka stardusk) were already speculating that he would be OP.

 

Yeah, but it's not really better than Warp which can be spammed and detonated. Area scan? Who needs it, when everyone can have a Geth Scanner. 

you know 25% rebuff is nothing to laugh at.

Actually, isn't  Tac Scan a 32.5% debuff (including the weapon or power damage buff at R4)?

Modifié par Miniditka77, 03 juillet 2013 - 04:28 .

[oO Stryfe Oo]

M1A2 Abrams Tank wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

M1A2 Abrams Tank wrote...

I want Multi-Frags on him as opposed to Arc-grenades it would be repetitive to have Arcs on him like the other the male two Quarians.

Also inb4lolcainmines :3

 

Well Arcs suit the Quarians. Multi-frags would be weird. 

We have three kits with Arc grenades, one with Multi-frags and I think it boring to have three kits with the same two powers.

Yeah, that's kinda why I suggested Homing. Too much repetition. Besides, Homing Grenades seem like a more strategic option. They just fit the kit. A lot more than Multi-frags, at least.

Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 03 juillet 2013 - 04:33 .

[DHKany]

Lol ipad keyboard.

Probs true Minid, I need to check again.

[Tallgeese_VII]

No. He will be perfectly well balanced.

[lightswitch]

DHKany wrote...

you know 25% rebuff is nothing to laugh at.

32.5% if you take it for all buffs all the way.

Let me explain things this way: pretend our Quarian had no passives, mods, or consumables at all, instead he had just the 22.5% damage from stimpacks. Once you're done multiplying that 22.5% by the 32.5% from TS and the 50% RoF from MM, all of a sudden his damage modifier is 2.43 (assuming you're using a full auto weapon).

Compare that to the damage modifier of a vanilla Human Soldier with full weapon damage spec in passives, consumables, weapons mods, and with Adrenaline Rush active: 2.68. That's right, with only the additive damage bonus from Stim Packs combined with his multiplicative bonuses the QMS almost paces a fully equipped and specced ARush user - the difference is less than a consumable weapon amp.

Of course once the QMS's passives etc. come into play his damage modifier jumps to a considerable 4.42 and leaves ARush in dust. Point is: multiplicative bonuses are awesome, the QMS has two of the best in the game, and the 80% additive bonus from Tac Cloak sometimes gets a little bit more credit than it deserves around here.

Modifié par lightswitch, 03 juillet 2013 - 04:56 .

[Abramsrunner]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...


Yeah, that's kinda why I suggested Homing. Too much repetition. Besides, Homing Grenades seem like a more strategic option. They just fit the kit. A lot more than Multi-frags, at least.

But I want to blister the field with explosives like it said in the character information.

[megawug]

As a side note, didn't have the discussion last week how weaksauce the QMI was compared to the QME? So therefore, QMI is not OP'ed, nor is tactical cloak.

Modifié par megawug, 03 juillet 2013 - 05:00 .

[Creator Limbs]

People on BSN give Tactical Cloak more credit than they should.

Fact.

[lightswitch]

M1A2 Abrams Tank wrote...

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...


Yeah, that's kinda why I suggested Homing. Too much repetition. Besides, Homing Grenades seem like a more strategic option. They just fit the kit. A lot more than Multi-frags, at least.

But I want to blister the field with explosives like it said in the character information.

take a Scorpion

[Cyonan]

Attempting to argue theoretical DPS is a strange thing.

Depending on which point of view I wish to take, the Quarian Marksman can have the second highest DPS(GI says hi and that he can break 5k with the Hurricane), or end up being beaten by a few more kits even if I did give him Stim Packs.

I can also make Tactical Scan look more beneficial to the Quarian Male Engineer if I want to, despite it being the same buff and that he theoretically does the least DPS of any of the Quarian Males(this is actually why it's more beneficial from a certain point of view).

Giving him Stim Packs would still make him OP though. As would Arc Grenade, but I say that mostly because I think most grenades themselves are OP.

Modifié par Cyonan, 03 juillet 2013 - 05:22 .