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[AustereLemur799]

I don’t know if anyone saw my post from a couple of weeks ago about losing confidence in my gameplay and wanting (needing!) to take a break from the game.
 
Well my mum’s bf decided that he wanted to try out ME3 mp (I suppose with a lot of encouragement from me!). Needless to say I’ve taken him under my wing.
 
However, I don’t think I’m qualified to teach anyone about this game, especially since my performance is so inconsistent .
 
Granted, things were different for me when I first started out last March (I mean in 2012, when the game first came out). There weren’t people to carry you on gold. There was no Harrier, no Jugs or AIUs, no grenade capacity, no geth scanner, no responder loadout, no armoured compartments, no platinum, no jumbo equipment packs etc.
 
So far I’ve been teaching him to my current game-plan (but of course that’s changed for me as I’ve progressed). I played bronze and didn’t go on silver until I was something like N7 180~ and I didn’t go on gold until I was N7 800 ~.
 
I unlocked all of the DLC characters within the first few days of their release. I take all these things for granted – all I’ve got to unlock now are UR weapons.
 
Since I still promote; my philosophy is to promote everything so that I only have lvl 1s, and then I buy packs (in case I get character cards which would be a waste for me if I already had characters levelled up).
 
I’ve been telling my friend to only buy JEPs and SPs, but I’m starting to think that this might be bad. Recruit packs are good for unlocking all appearance options (in addition to XP) for human characters and other commons early – recently I’ve gone back to buying recruit packs to level up a little bit before I play in PUGs.
 
I’m aware that people have suggested previously that it’s wise to max out the uncommons before moving on to rares (otherwise Spectre packs etc will be filled with a lot of junk?).
 
I’ve also got this guy up to gold in four days. He’s competent with video games anyway (I know that some people have a ‘better orientation’ than others when it comes to video games). Again I’m not sure if I’m just teaching him bad habits – so far we’ve been doing gold Rio box-of-shame with me playing as a geth Jug. We scored our first wave 10 completion today (I’m doing my best to enable him to get Spectre packs).
 
All my self-important rambling aside; what I really wanted to address was the fact that I may have lost sight of what it means to be a newbie to MP. It was a long time ago for me, and things were a lot different over a year ago.
 
I’m doing things my way, but that may not be good for him. I just want to be a good teacher (since I’m not much good at anything else!).
 
Any advice would be much appreciated.

Also, feel free to criticise my whole game-plan for my own progression

[didacuscarr]

Dude, don't teach him box of shame.

[bondiboy]

If you got him up to gold in 4 days then you are doing well.

[Creator Limbs]

You're teaching him to use the box of shame? Stop.

Max out his basics and uncommons first..then tell him to purchase spectre packs. Fill out his equipment.

[Cirvante]

N7didacus wrote...

Dude, don't teach him box of shame.

[mybudgee]

It cracks me up how you are so self-depracating OP.

Also you should be ashamed of yourself

[AustereLemur799]

N7didacus wrote...

Dude, don't teach him box of shame.

I know  - I never used it myself. I just wanted to get him creds. I've never soloed gold and the only way the two of us got wave 10 credits was when I was using the Jug.

I agree that the box of shame is a bad habit to teach. I guess it's better to teach him the hard way. Maybe gold is too optimistic?

To be fair, at least we weren't camping inside the box and spamming the Talon's mines or the Destroyer's frag grenades (I'm not even good at that anyway!) - we just started off at that end of the map (and then moved up where appropriate, like for objective waves).

[AustereLemur799]

mybudgee wrote...

It cracks me up how you are so self-depracating OP.

Also you should be ashamed of yourself

I'm a scrub, what can I say?

[MaxCrushmore]

I think many times people really overlook veteran packs ... there are several really good uncommon characters which can be unlocked very quickly (DA, AV, TSent & Sol) plus the Mattock, which, quite frankly, is a better gun than many rares.

Recruit packs are good for unlocking common weapon mods, after I have some of them I would move to buying the aforementioned vet packs

[didacuscarr]

Tell him all about the game mechanics.

[escoe]

have him play a human adept
only buy aresenal packs
play on giant hazard gold unknown enemy

[AustereLemur799]

MaxCrushmore wrote...

I think many times people really overlook veteran packs ... there are several really good uncommon characters which can be unlocked very quickly (DA, AV, TSent & Sol) plus the Mattock, which, quite frankly, is a better gun than many rares.

Recruit packs are good for unlocking common weapon mods, after I have some of them I would move to buying the aforementioned vet packs

This is a good point. He unlocked the N7 Demolisher, but this is largely useless without grenade capacity and good weapons.

Also he wants to unlock characters and weapons which isn't really happening.

The way we're playing, I'm telling him not to use equipment like missiles and gel - I'm telling him to save it while I'm using lots of equipment myself, because I've got them stock-piled and don't mind going out of pocket for a while.

It was okay for me playing silver back in the days without gel, but it's different in gold PUGs.

He doesn't feel ready for PUGs yet, which I totally understand - not because he lacks the ability; just because of the whole atmosphere. PUGs are stressful. A match with just the two of us feels easier (we don't have to worry about being analysed in the limelight ).

[AustereLemur799]

escoe wrote...

have him play a human adept
only buy aresenal packs
play on giant hazard gold unknown enemy

Actually the human adept is his fave so far - it's better these days since BW buffed singualarity and made the character a powerhouse.

Arsenal packs are a lie! I only buy them now that I've only got UR weapons to unlock, otherwise they give you useless ammo bonuses.

I like FB Giant - it's also a Platinum crutch for many since they tend to camp at the LZ, but that setup is difficult if you only have 2 players.

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 03 juillet 2013 - 03:40 .

[AustereLemur799]

N7didacus wrote...

Tell him all about the game mechanics.

I've tried to do that to the best of my ability, but what do I know?

The best way to get experience is to tackle things yourself.

[Aarch_Aangel]

If you're doing everything to the best of your ability, then your'e a good teacher.

And hey, some help is better than no help right?

[AustereLemur799]

Aarch_Aangel wrote...

If you're doing everything to the best of your ability, then your'e a good teacher.

And hey, some help is better than no help right?

True, in theory. But you don't realise how bad I am! I have all sorts of bad habits like rage-gelling and I rage-quit if I go down more than twice a wave! I know that people appreciate an extra body, even if it's just cannon-fodder; but I figure that someone else more competent will take my place when I leave (I suppose this is less likely to happen in later waves ).

[RoZh2400]

Explaining game mechanics is the only thing I do when "coaching", if that's even the word. So, yeah...I suggest explaining game mechanics as they come up. i.e. the player puts an AP mod on GPS or uses a Biotic and doesn't create BEs despite clearly having both a primer and detonator, but not using them in tandem.

[someN7orother]

Seriously, open the game for more players. At worst you have two additional mobile decoys drawing fire away from you and your friend, and if you're lucky a competent player will show up which will make games faster. It's also useful for getting used to spawns being messed up by puggers, and you just can't teach that.

Nobody is going to "analyze" you or your friend - banshees, phantoms and hunters get the jump on players all the time, and that's with players supposedly paying attention to enemies. Ain't nobody got time to watch what you're doing, unless you're clutching. And if you are it's because the others bled out so...

Modifié par someN7orother, 03 juillet 2013 - 03:55 .

[Aarch_Aangel]

And I fear I will never know how bad you are because I am ps3.

Sometimes people aren't looking for cannon-fodder or a competent team mate, but a friend to play with. Maybe you're not the 'best' teacher, but you were nice enough to try and help him.

[Malanek]

You can only do so much. Teach him how to set off combos and right hand advantage which are the most important things imo. Give some general advice but let him also experiment with what works for him. In terms of packs I think you should max all your common weapons and mods but I wouldn't try to max all uncommons next. Perhaps unlock each of the uncommon characters and then get a mix between uncommon and rares. To me, the game is most interesting because of the variety of characters so I wouldn't try to keep those away from him.

[AustereLemur799]

Aarch_Aangel wrote...

And I fear I will never know how bad you are because I am ps3.

Count yourself lucky!

Aarch_Aangel wrote...
Sometimes people aren't looking for cannon-fodder or a competent team mate, but a friend to play with. Maybe you're not the 'best' teacher, but you were nice enough to try and help him.

I've just really lost confidence in myself online in PUGs, so taking a break and coming back into the game while doing private matches with the friend in question was quite nice - not to mention humbling.

It's actually taught me stuff with my own gameplay. I couldn't even solo gold because I'm not that patient, but at least this setup with two people on gold is teaching me to be more disciplined.

[AustereLemur799]

someN7orother wrote...

Seriously, open the game for more players. At worst you have two additional mobile decoys drawing fire away from you and your friend, and if you're lucky a competent player will show up which will make games faster. It's also useful for getting used to spawns being messed up by puggers, and you just can't teach that.

Nobody is going to "analyze" you or your friend - banshees, phantoms and hunters get the jump on players all the time, and that's with players supposedly paying attention to enemies. Ain't nobody got time to watch what you're doing, unless you're clutching. And if you are it's because the others bled out so...

I would do this - I've earned a few 'friends' recently from the BSN!

The only reason why I haven't opened our matches to the public is because of vanity, I suppose. I know how I would feel if I was a newbie starting out and I suddently got plunged into matches with the likes of Invaderone and Shadrach - I would feel like crap even though it was a privelege to play with people of their caliber!

I don't want my friend to get intimidated. So far we're comfortable. I'm happy to carry (I've got equipment saved up). I wouldn't ask anyone else to help carry - no matter how many times I've done that in PUGs.

The fact is that I've gone off the boil online. I need to do something worthwhile to make myself feel better. Carrying people makes me feel better, whereas if I'm in a match with awesome people; I always feel crap like I'm letting people down.

I guess I'm just gonna take time to come back, as it were.

[Leland Gaunt]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

The fact is that I've gone off the boil online. I need to do something worthwhile to make myself feel better. Carrying people makes me feel better, whereas if I'm in a match with awesome people; I always feel crap like I'm letting people down.

I guess I'm just gonna take time to come back, as it were.

Sad to read that, because I know from the few times we ran into each other that you're a better teammate than you give yourself credit for.

Just send me a game invite sometime should you feel like it, maybe I can convince you

[SColtrane]

Consider searching YouTube for some of the better instructional videos by caneigis, captstch3, InvaderOne, and Jumpin (&note that I've listed these players in alphabetical order, without any ranking, as they all have good instructional vids.) and other good players.

I agree with your use of recruit packs to upgrade lvl 1 characters quickly. You can purchase 20 recruit packs for the price of one PSP or Reserve Pack. For 500k credits, you'll get 100 recruit packs averaging 37,500 XP each (getting either 12,500 or 62,500 packs) with a likely even distribution across the six classes, ending up around levels 12-14 for each class. You'll also get a bucket load of medi gels, ops packs, rockets, and health packs and all kinds of consumable gear.

Lastly, don't be so hard on yourself. You very likely have a number of very good qualities and skills that you just don't realize or don't appreciate.

[AustereLemur799]

I appreciate all your feedback - I feel all gooey now!

I totally did this all wrong. I shouldn't be asking for reassurance for myself - this is all about my mum's bf.

Not that I don't appreciate it  - thank you. Also, I appreciate your advice .