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[Caineghis2500]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

Dude, don't teach him box of shame.

I know  - I never used it myself. snip*

Stopped reading there. Don't don't teach tactics you don't use yourself.

[AustereLemur799]

caineghis2500 wrote...

AustereLemur799 wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

Dude, don't teach him box of shame.

I know  - I never used it myself. snip*

Stopped reading there. Don't don't teach tactics you don't use yourself.

No, don't stop reading! I try to teach tactics I don't use myself because what I do for myself is bad. What I teach is probably better - at least, hopefully

[Creator Limbs]

Be sure to teach him that score doesn't matter so that he doesn't care when so-and-so outscores him because for real who cares.

[Titus Thongger]

for shame

[AustereLemur799]

Titus Thongger wrote...

for shame

Sorry .

I've tried doing other setups on other maps, but the most I've been able to do is wave 8 on my own (hence I won't ever solo gold )

But this isn't about me; I'm asking about a newbie.

Is gold too optimistic? Are Spectre packs bad?

So far people reckon that Veteran packs are for the best - I'm starting to think this might be the best.

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 03 juillet 2013 - 05:46 .

[Creator Limbs]

Veteran packs are the best for now.

[AustereLemur799]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Veteran packs are the best for now.

Got it! I shouldn't have got him so into URs .

I can't even remember URs back in the day. Don't even remember if PSPs existed, but we certainly had Spectre packs (I don't think I even purchased them until I was on gold consistently).

Anyways, I've deduced that I'm just teaching him to be bad - even though he's already much better than a lot of gold and plat players I've played with in PUGs.

[bloodstalker1973]

I agree with the folks who say to open up the games. Opening up the games will make the matches go faster and thus the guy you're trying to help build his credits and manifest will get more get better gear quicker. And you don;t have to do it on Gold. Sure, Gold has more credits than Silver per match, but you can finish full Silver matches a lot faster than you can duo Gold matches most of the time. You may be able to make more credits per hour running Silver matches with a full squad than running Gold with just the 2 of you, especially since you'll both likely use a lot less consumables on Silver and therefore won't have to spend as much of what you earn on Equipment Packs. Especially if you focus on buying lower packs first.

I suggest buying recruit packs until you max out your common weapons at least. Then move up to Veteran's packs to max out Uncommons. Then when you get to the Spectre and PSP packs and the like, you can be guaranteed that you will never get a Common or Uncommon weapon in them, which frees up a slot for something else. With a random store, anything you can do to remove things dropping in higher packs is a good thing in my book.

You can do this pretty quickly while you play Silver matches, and by the time your friend has learned enough in Silver that he's ready to move up to Gold without using the Box of Shame tactic, he should at least have several Uncommon weapons at pretty high rank and have unlocked several new classes. He'll probably even have at least a few Rare unlocks. Those do come in Vet packs sometimes.

Plus it's a lot easier on Silver to be able to stop and explain things as it were as you go than it is on Gold. Basic concepts like where enemies spawn on a given map and how to control or predict where enemies are going to come from during waves are some of the most important things you can teach someone. It might be easier going through that kind of thing on Silver where things are less hectic and you're not getting constantly flooded. You really can't teach much of anything if you're doing Box of Shame matches because spawn points don't matter, map navigation doesn't matter, and awareness of your surroundings doesn't matter.

Modifié par bloodstalker1973, 03 juillet 2013 - 06:00 .

[Titus Thongger]

do silver duos with your friend. If you're roflstomping silver too hard then pick a weaker class or use weaker weapons to scale with your friend.

when you can essentially duo a gold pug game with your buddy, then you know they're all set

[AustereLemur799]

@ bloodstalker1973

I appreciate the advice. Yeah, golds took so long - 40 minutes whereas it usually takes me half that in PUGs (competent ones, that is ). And it's honestly so exhausting when it takes so long (like how when I started out on gold).

I just thought it might teach him survivability and to take cover more than run in (which you can get away with bronze).

Anyways, I should be thinking about his game and not my own. Obviously getting the uncommons out of the way (with regards to the store) should be the first thing.

[AustereLemur799]

Titus Thongger wrote...

do silver duos with your friend. If you're roflstomping silver too hard then pick a weaker class or use weaker weapons to scale with your friend.

when you can essentially duo a gold pug game with your buddy, then you know they're all set

Yeah, you're absolutely right. We've done a silver with me as a lvl 1 (not a Jug, AIU or Turian Ghost) and him as a lvl 6.

I'm not sure I can get weaker than that. Of course, it also depends on the map and enemy - geth has been the hardest so far.

[Caineghis2500]

TchockTckocky wrote...

I think you added me a couple of days ago, if you want I can help you guys out if you need some credits.

I can vouch for tchocky. He has a big backpack

[AustereLemur799]

caineghis2500 wrote...

TchockTckocky wrote...

I think you added me a couple of days ago, if you want I can help you guys out if you need some credits.

I can vouch for tchocky. He has a big backpack

Ha, ha - thanks!  - It would be nice to be carried for once!

I've got plenty of stuff stockpiled to help my friend - I wouldn't ever ask anyone else to help carry him, even though he is really competent. I take that stuff upon myself.

Thanks anyway.

[Gao Qiu]

caineghis2500 wrote...

TchockTckocky wrote...

I think you added me a couple of days ago, if you want I can help you guys out if you need some credits.

I can vouch for tchocky. He has a big backpack

Ditto, he's a great (if silent) teammate.   

I also think that using the box of shame won't ever prepare anyone for playing gold, it just doesn't allow you to develop the techniques you need to be effective in taking out the enemy or to survive efficiently.  Not to mention, it just doesn't seem like any fun - if that was my introduction to the game, I'd probably burn out quickly from sheer boredom!

I'll echo the others as well about opening up your games, if not to pugs, then from one of the well-meaning folks here on BSN.  My experience playing with other BSN'ers tells me that almost all of them are much nicer than their screen personas here, and the level of judgmentalism is very low, especially if you make it clear that you want to learn and are trying to get better.

I'm hardly good enough to teach, but if you want a fellow student in your group feel free to add me! 

[AustereLemur799]

^ Famous last words for everyone!

I get that Rio box is bad habits for a newbie - and I'm so hypocritical since I hate to see others using it! 
 
Anyways I'll try to teach other stuff to my friend. Still I don't want to drag anyone else down with us.

Feel free to add me though for gold or plat.

[Caldari Ghost]

bloodstalker1973 wrote...

I agree with the folks who say to open up the games. Opening up the games will make the matches go faster and thus the guy you're trying to help build his credits and manifest will get more get better gear quicker. And you don;t have to do it on Gold. Sure, Gold has more credits than Silver per match, but you can finish full Silver matches a lot faster than you can duo Gold matches most of the time. You may be able to make more credits per hour running Silver matches with a full squad than running Gold with just the 2 of you, especially since you'll both likely use a lot less consumables on Silver and therefore won't have to spend as much of what you earn on Equipment Packs. Especially if you focus on buying lower packs first.

I suggest buying recruit packs until you max out your common weapons at least. Then move up to Veteran's packs to max out Uncommons. Then when you get to the Spectre and PSP packs and the like, you can be guaranteed that you will never get a Common or Uncommon weapon in them, which frees up a slot for something else. With a random store, anything you can do to remove things dropping in higher packs is a good thing in my book.

You can do this pretty quickly while you play Silver matches, and by the time your friend has learned enough in Silver that he's ready to move up to Gold without using the Box of Shame tactic, he should at least have several Uncommon weapons at pretty high rank and have unlocked several new classes. He'll probably even have at least a few Rare unlocks. Those do come in Vet packs sometimes.

Plus it's a lot easier on Silver to be able to stop and explain things as it were as you go than it is on Gold. Basic concepts like where enemies spawn on a given map and how to control or predict where enemies are going to come from during waves are some of the most important things you can teach someone. It might be easier going through that kind of thing on Silver where things are less hectic and you're not getting constantly flooded. You really can't teach much of anything if you're doing Box of Shame matches because spawn points don't matter, map navigation doesn't matter, and awareness of your surroundings doesn't matter.

didn't read.

Modifié par Caldari Ghost, 03 juillet 2013 - 06:57 .

[AustereLemur799]

Caldari Ghost wrote...

bloodstalker1973 wrote...

I agree with the folks who say to open up the games. Opening up the games will make the matches go faster and thus the guy you're trying to help build his credits and manifest will get more get better gear quicker. And you don;t have to do it on Gold. Sure, Gold has more credits than Silver per match, but you can finish full Silver matches a lot faster than you can duo Gold matches most of the time. You may be able to make more credits per hour running Silver matches with a full squad than running Gold with just the 2 of you, especially since you'll both likely use a lot less consumables on Silver and therefore won't have to spend as much of what you earn on Equipment Packs. Especially if you focus on buying lower packs first.

I suggest buying recruit packs until you max out your common weapons at least. Then move up to Veteran's packs to max out Uncommons. Then when you get to the Spectre and PSP packs and the like, you can be guaranteed that you will never get a Common or Uncommon weapon in them, which frees up a slot for something else. With a random store, anything you can do to remove things dropping in higher packs is a good thing in my book.

You can do this pretty quickly while you play Silver matches, and by the time your friend has learned enough in Silver that he's ready to move up to Gold without using the Box of Shame tactic, he should at least have several Uncommon weapons at pretty high rank and have unlocked several new classes. He'll probably even have at least a few Rare unlocks. Those do come in Vet packs sometimes.

Plus it's a lot easier on Silver to be able to stop and explain things as it were as you go than it is on Gold. Basic concepts like where enemies spawn on a given map and how to control or predict where enemies are going to come from during waves are some of the most important things you can teach someone. It might be easier going through that kind of thing on Silver where things are less hectic and you're not getting constantly flooded. You really can't teach much of anything if you're doing Box of Shame matches because spawn points don't matter, map navigation doesn't matter, and awareness of your surroundings doesn't matter.

didn't read.

Why bother opening yourself up?

I don't wanna teach bad habits, but, then PUGs aren't all that likely to be much better

[Caldari Ghost]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

bloodstalker1973 wrote...

I agree with the folks who say to open up the games. Opening up the games will make the matches go faster and thus the guy you're trying to help build his credits and manifest will get more get better gear quicker. And you don;t have to do it on Gold. Sure, Gold has more credits than Silver per match, but you can finish full Silver matches a lot faster than you can duo Gold matches most of the time. You may be able to make more credits per hour running Silver matches with a full squad than running Gold with just the 2 of you, especially since you'll both likely use a lot less consumables on Silver and therefore won't have to spend as much of what you earn on Equipment Packs. Especially if you focus on buying lower packs first.

I suggest buying recruit packs until you max out your common weapons at least. Then move up to Veteran's packs to max out Uncommons. Then when you get to the Spectre and PSP packs and the like, you can be guaranteed that you will never get a Common or Uncommon weapon in them, which frees up a slot for something else. With a random store, anything you can do to remove things dropping in higher packs is a good thing in my book.

You can do this pretty quickly while you play Silver matches, and by the time your friend has learned enough in Silver that he's ready to move up to Gold without using the Box of Shame tactic, he should at least have several Uncommon weapons at pretty high rank and have unlocked several new classes. He'll probably even have at least a few Rare unlocks. Those do come in Vet packs sometimes.

Plus it's a lot easier on Silver to be able to stop and explain things as it were as you go than it is on Gold. Basic concepts like where enemies spawn on a given map and how to control or predict where enemies are going to come from during waves are some of the most important things you can teach someone. It might be easier going through that kind of thing on Silver where things are less hectic and you're not getting constantly flooded. You really can't teach much of anything if you're doing Box of Shame matches because spawn points don't matter, map navigation doesn't matter, and awareness of your surroundings doesn't matter.

didn't read.

Why bother opening yourself up?

I don't wanna teach bad habits, but, then PUGs aren't all that likely to be much better

right on

[AustereLemur799]

Caldari Ghost wrote...
right on

I suppose I can't argue with that, but now I'll actively be seeking you out - you have been warned!

[Caldari Ghost]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...
right on

I suppose I can't argue with that, but now I'll actively be seeking you out - you have been warned!

*hides where you can't find me

[AustereLemur799]

Caldari Ghost wrote...

AustereLemur799 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...
right on

I suppose I can't argue with that, but now I'll actively be seeking you out - you have been warned!

*hides where you can't find me

You wish! I see everything

[Caldari Ghost]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

AustereLemur799 wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...
right on

I suppose I can't argue with that, but now I'll actively be seeking you out - you have been warned!

*hides where you can't find me

You wish! I see everything

well damn, why do I bother getting dressed every morning.

Modifié par Caldari Ghost, 03 juillet 2013 - 07:45 .

[Magniflyer]

BSN is a hub of game mechanics data. I'm a bit afraid looking at the hours you spent in game if you say that you don't know about it too much. But nvm. If your buddy just started to play the game, it's not a good idea to get him to gold right from the beginning - he'll miss all the fun and satisfaction associated with completing his first flawless bronze/silver matches, he'll know less about enemies budgets etc.


Speaking of which. Learn about some clever uses of game mechanics, right hand advantage, when to use consumables(especially rockets). And power combos are the most important since you don't have the biggest dps weapons yet.

Btw don't make him be tied to credits, cause those can only serve more stress and frustration. Vet packs are def good for the start. But for the real beginning, spam recruit packs till you get all the common stuff.


Your n7 tactic is wrong. The amount of n7 points means nothing in this game. So don't challenge points. If people below 180n7 points shouldn't play silver, then you'll never know there's such a person as Boogieman().

No need to promote. Noone looks at the promotions anyway. Would be better if you guys would get the classes to lvl20 and learn some nice builds. You can do magic with the vanilla juman kits. Once again, there's a huge amount of threads with kits here.

And for the glorious balls of Jacob Taylor, don't even touch the goddamn box of shame. Open your lobby instead and play in a full squad.

Hope you find anything helfpul

Cheers