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[The Love Runner]

Wow that post was empty

Episode III gave us this:



Totally worth it.

[mybudgee]

Ep. 3 also gave us this:

 

So very not worth it

[SmilesJA]

Oh yes it was.

[AventuroLegendary]

Ep. 3 also gave us this:

 

So very not worth it

 

 

So very deliciously gloriously worth it.

[TheClonesLegacy]

what are the star wars prequels? #has been living under a rock since 1999.

Nice try, Episode 1 came out in 98.

[mybudgee]

No. It was 1999

[The Hierophant]

No. It was 1999

True. I remember dropping KFC for Popeyes that year after seeing Jar Jar's ugly mug plasterrd on my bucket of drumsticks. Truth be told, i was already thinking about jumping ship because the food was kind of mediocre.

[Captain Obvious]

I think I figured out who Kylo Ren's father is...

 

http://starwars.wiki...ir_Kybo_Ren-Cha

 

[AventuroLegendary]

I think I figured out who Kylo Ren's father is...

 

http://starwars.wiki...ir_Kybo_Ren-Cha

 

 

Does Star Wars have some kind of fetish for borderline offensive caricatures? 

 

[mybudgee]

Does Star Wars have some kind of fetish for borderline offensive caricatures? 

 

Maybe

 

[Nerevar-as]

Ep. 3 also gave us this:

 

So very not worth it

The hell it wasn´t. 

[Sifr]

This.

 

Luke falling to the dark side is completely out of character. Its like having Yoda or Obi Wan become a Sith. It was one of the worst ideas of the Expanded Universe, and one that should never find its way into a Star Wars film.

 

Return of the Jedi should be the final word on Luke's force alignment. "You have failed, Your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."

 

See while I do agree on this, he was very close to going to the Dark Side throughout Jedi. What really snapped him out of it was cutting off Vader's hand, causing him to realise that both of them have cybernetic arms and that he was very close to going down the same path as his father.

 

I wasn't saying that Luke going full dark side would be a good thing, but it's not like he doesn't have that dark streak in him and is now completely incorruptible and will spend the rest of his life all sunshine and rainbows, simply because he chose to follow the Jedi path at the end of ROTJ?

 

Despite Lucas' views of the Force and the Light and Dark Side, people are not so easily defined in terms of good and bad.

[Captain Obvious]

The untitled spin-off film that Josh Trank was working on could be delayed to 2019, which may then delay Episode IX's release date to the year afterwards.

 

http://makingstarwar...edule-shake-up/

[mybudgee]

they're going to make episode 11? Cool!

[Nerevar-as]

See while I do agree on this, he was very close to going to the Dark Side throughout Jedi. What really snapped him out of it was cutting off Vader's hand, causing him to realise that both of them have cybernetic arms and that he was very close to going down the same path as his father.

 

I wasn't saying that Luke going full dark side would be a good thing, but it's not like he doesn't have that dark streak in him and is now completely incorruptible and will spend the rest of his life all sunshine and rainbows, simply because he chose to follow the Jedi path at the end of ROTJ?

 

Despite Lucas' views of the Force and the Light and Dark Side, people are not so easily defined in terms of good and bad.

I don´t know if I agree with that, but here it doesn´t matter, it´s the way the Force works in this fiction. Use it through negative emotions and it corrupts you, the dark side is not a metaphore for one´s evil, but an actual thing. There´s no "I use a bit of dark side and nothing happens" in SW, and good thing too. I find the so called grey morality an excuse not to admit someone is also doing bad things. I do prefer it to designated white morality, when the heroes do rather brutal things but because they are the heroes we are suppossed to find them ok.

[In Exile]

I don´t know if I agree with that, but here it doesn´t matter, it´s the way the Force works in this fiction. Use it through negative emotions and it corrupts you, the dark side is not a metaphore for one´s evil, but an actual thing. There´s no "I use a bit of dark side and nothing happens" in SW, and good thing too. I find the so called grey morality an excuse not to admit someone is also doing bad things. I do prefer it to designated white morality, when the heroes do rather brutal things but because they are the heroes we are suppossed to find them ok.

The problem with the idea of an actual malevolent entity is that it leads to weird morality outcomes when the writers don't think it through. Like the Jedi apparently not falling to the dark side though they're using a slave army as cannon fodder.

[mybudgee]

The problem with the idea of an actual malevolent entity is that it leads to weird morality outcomes when the writers don't think it through. Like the Jedi apparently not falling to the dark side though they're using a slave army as cannon fodder.

The clones were hardly slaves. That's a silly thing to say. They were genetically designed to be soldiers, they knew nothing of "freedom", nor had any desire for it. (Some clones received genetic enhancements/alterations, but that's a whole different ball of wax)

 

Also, doing something callous or insensitive to achieve a beneficial end is happening all around us, you don't have to look past your local law enforcement for that. 

 

Spoiler

another thing to keep in mind: the Clone Wars arc was originally conceived as a loose metaphor for the Vietnam war, as were many Sci-fi conflicts. Lucas felt, as many of his generation believed, that the war was being fought by nameless, faceless soldiers who had no real awareness that they had other choices or rights. The parallels between Nixon & Palpatine (or any US politician) are not exactly subtle.

[Vroom Vroom]

The clones were hardly slaves. That's a silly thing to say. They were genetically designed to be soldiers, they knew nothing of "freedom", nor had any desire for it. (Some clones received genetic enhancements/alterations, but that's a whole different ball of wax)

 

Also, doing something callous or insensitive to achieve a beneficial end is happening all around us, you don't have to look past your local law enforcement for that. 

 

Spoiler

another thing to keep in mind: the Clone Wars arc was originally conceived as a loose metaphor for the Vietnam war, as were many Sci-fi conflicts. Lucas felt, as many of his generation believed, that the war was being fought by nameless, faceless soldiers who had no real awareness that they had other choices or rights. The parallels between Nixon & Palpatine (or any US politician) are not exactly subtle.

The Clone Wars cartoon revealed that they had chips implanted in them which forced them to carry out Order 66 and it heavily implies that they have no choice, but to obey any order they were given. They did have a degree of free will however as Captain Rex, Wolffe and Gregor were able to remove their chips (after Rex discovered the chip as a result of a conspiracy). I'd put those in spoiler tags, but them removing the chips isn't shown, but implied because of their

Spoiler

appearance in a trailer for Season 2 of Rebels

. 

 

 

(The Inhibitor Chip)

[Captain Obvious]

Guys, the Clones weren't the Jedi's army. That's that hack writer Karen Traviss talking. The Clones were ultimately loyal to the Republic government. The Jedi fight the war because they have an obligation to protect the Republic (nevermind the fact that the person leading the Confederacy is a Sith, a person apart of a pseudo-darwinistic cult who are absolutely evil). If the Jedi decided, for some inane reason, that they should sit out of the war, the Republic would still have the clones fighting the Separatists, a force led by a bunch of plutocrats that ultimately answer to Count Dooku (who is, again, a Sith). Simple as that. They won't start drafting their own men, because they know that the Clones will be the ones fighting for them, because they're bred to fight for them. Furthermore, we've seen time and time again that the Jedi care about the clones and the clones care about them. You don't have to look at the TV shows, recent comics from Marvel, or recent books to know that they share a bond; in the ROTS, there is camaraderie between Obi-Wan and Cody (Obi-Wan does not call him by his number). 

[DeathScepter]

Guys, the Clones weren't the Jedi's army. That's that hack writer Karen Traviss talking. The Clones were ultimately loyal to the Republic government. The Jedi fight the war because they have an obligation to protect the Republic (nevermind the fact that the person leading the Confederacy is a Sith, a person apart of a pseudo-darwinistic cult who are absolutely evil). If the Jedi decided, for some inane reason, that they should sit out of the war, the Republic would still have the clones fighting the Separatists, a force led by a bunch of plutocrats that ultimately answer to Count Dooku (who is, again, a Sith). Simple as that. They won't start drafting their own men, because they know that the Clones will be the ones fighting for them, because they're bred to fight for them. Furthermore, we've seen time and time again that the Jedi care about the clones and the clones care about them. You don't have to look at the TV shows, recent comics from Marvel, or recent books to know that they share a bond; in the ROTS, there is camaraderie between Obi-Wan and Cody (Obi-Wan does not call him by his number). 

 

 

thank you Captain Obvious.

[Captain Obvious]

thank you Captain Obvious.

I point out the obvious so you don't have to.

[Aimi]

Guys, the Clones weren't the Jedi's army. That's that hack writer Karen Traviss talking. The Clones were ultimately loyal to the Republic government. The Jedi fight the war because they have an obligation to protect the Republic (nevermind the fact that the person leading the Confederacy is a Sith, a person apart of a pseudo-darwinistic cult who are absolutely evil). If the Jedi decided, for some inane reason, that they should sit out of the war, the Republic would still have the clones fighting the Separatists, a force led by a bunch of plutocrats that ultimately answer to Count Dooku (who is, again, a Sith). Simple as that. They won't start drafting their own men, because they know that the Clones will be the ones fighting for them, because they're bred to fight for them. Furthermore, we've seen time and time again that the Jedi care about the clones and the clones care about them. You don't have to look at the TV shows, recent comics from Marvel, or recent books to know that they share a bond; in the ROTS, there is camaraderie between Obi-Wan and Cody (Obi-Wan does not call him by his number).

isn't that all noncanon now anyway

[Han Shot First]

I don´t know if I agree with that, but here it doesn´t matter, it´s the way the Force works in this fiction. Use it through negative emotions and it corrupts you, the dark side is not a metaphore for one´s evil, but an actual thing. There´s no "I use a bit of dark side and nothing happens" in SW, and good thing too. I find the so called grey morality an excuse not to admit someone is also doing bad things. I do prefer it to designated white morality, when the heroes do rather brutal things but because they are the heroes we are suppossed to find them ok.

 

I'd argue that the Force seems to work in the opposite direction as well. Ideal Jedi like Yoda, Qui Gon, or Obi Wan are significantly more 'Zen' than any real world person is. I think the Force has some affect on its users regardless of where they fall on the morality spectrum.

[Vroom Vroom]

isn't that all noncanon now anyway

You are correct. The Films, The Clone Wars, Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir (comic), Darth Vader (comic), Star Wars (comic), Princess Leia (comic), Rebels, Tarkin (novel), Lords of the Sith (novel) and anything published or made in the future (unless stated otherwise) is canon.   

[Captain Obvious]

isn't that all noncanon now anyway

Nope. TCW and Rebels are canon. So are the recent Marvel comics as well as the recent novels such as the Lords of the Sith one.