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[mybudgee]

So.... some of the post above have sparked an interesting debate in my mind. Is the force a tool to be exploited, or does it in subtle ways, influence force users?
Kreia-isms aside, how / where does the force actually influence a Jedi? (Or Sith)

[Heimdall]

I'm of the opinion that it can influence people and events. And that's why we get comments within the different books like " relinquish control " or " give, gave him/herself to the force " Its a common theme. It's a way of letting the force guide you in situations or seeking wisdom from the force.

I've always seen those moment more as partially tapping into a deeper and more profound understanding of the physical and metaphysical universe.  I've never really gotten the impression that the force has an active will in itself.

[The Devlish Redhead]

"Now yousa witneeess the fire-poweh of dees major booming and working-okay bombad station!"

 

I would love Jar Jar as the Emperor

[SmilesJA]

So Vanity Fair expanded its article. http://www.vanityfai...nity-fair-cover

[mybudgee]

I've always seen those moment more as partially tapping into a deeper and more profound understanding of the physical and metaphysical universe. I've never really gotten the impression that the force has an active will in itself.

What if the will of the force is actually the collective will of all force-users in the galaxy? Which explains the importance of a "balance"

[Heimdall]

What if the will of the force is actually the collective will of all force-users in the galaxy? Which explains the importance of a "balance"

Perhaps, I wonder how that works with the Sith, imposing one's will versus surrendering to the will of the force?

[Sully13]

I would love Jar Jar as the Emperor

"yoosa faith im yoos pallies is yoosa weakness."

[Vroom Vroom]

So.... some of the post above have sparked an interesting debate in my mind. Is the force a tool to be exploited, or does it in subtle ways, influence force users?
Kreia-isms aside, how / where does the force actually influence a Jedi? (Or Sith)

I'd say that the Force is sentient or aware to some degree as it created Anakin to destroy the Sith. If I recall correctly, George Lucas has stated that the darkside is an impurity and the lightside is how the Force is meant to be. If that is true and if Shmi is to be taken at her word than it is reasonable to assume that the Force created a champion to destroy the impurity on its behalf, however its champion became corrupted by the impurity, but was able to destroy it at the cost of himself. Basically the balance is the Force trying to purify itself of the darkside.

 

I'd say that the Force doesn't have direct control in how it is used, but it wishes to be used for good and can steer things to play out in a desired result even if it has to do so in a roundabout way (Luke redeeming Vader, removing a flawed Jedi Council so that something better may be made). I'm making a few odd statements, I know, but that's how I've come to understand what the Force is. 

[mybudgee]

 

I'd say that the Force doesn't have direct control in how it is used, but it wishes to be used for good and can steer things to play out in a desired result even if it has to do so in a roundabout way (Luke redeeming Vader, removing a flawed Jedi Council so that something better may be made). I'm making a few odd statements, I know, but that's how I've come to understand what the Force is. 

What if I told you

 

the jedi purge was the act which ACTUALLY brought balance to the force, because the DARK & LIGHT must be EQUAL!

[Sully13]

http://www.pathguy.com/starwars.htm

if you fancy some fun.

[Sifr]

What if I told you

 

the jedi purge was the act which ACTUALLY brought balance to the force, because the DARK & LIGHT must be EQUAL!

 

Damn, now you've brought up the Matrix, all I can think about is how I want to see Hugo Weaving in Star Wars.

 

All hail Agent Sith.

 

[Nerevar-as]

So.... some of the post above have sparked an interesting debate in my mind. Is the force a tool to be exploited, or does it in subtle ways, influence force users?
Kreia-isms aside, how / where does the force actually influence a Jedi? (Or Sith)

QGJ and OT Yoda and OB1 believed it did influence things, but I wouldn't say it's aware in the way we understand the term, or that it can dictate how a Jedi acts if he doesn't listen, as shown by the PT Jedi failings. I find significant QGJ found Anakin or that Anakin was born outside Jedi influence. The Force was trying to send a message and producing somebody to restore balance, but it fell on deaf ears.

Kreia wanted to take over the galaxy and was pissed off she wasn't allowed. She talks a lot about how bad the Force acts, but it's people like her who causes the suffering. Whiny *****.

[Nerevar-as]

What if I told you


the jedi purge was the act which ACTUALLY brought balance to the force, because the DARK & LIGHT must be EQUAL!

I'd told you to stop looking at D&D for a definition of balance.

And search for darth jar jar robot chicken.

[Sully13]

Oh what the hell.

[TheChosenOne]

Oh what the hell.

Jedi> Alien. Force choke that ******

[mousestalker]

Meesa think you plenty sorry you changed planets, betcha betcha. Darth Jar Jar showsa you full powerz of da Force. Meesa makes you sos mad you nossa listen funny talkin' midget.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

What if I told you


the jedi purge was the act which ACTUALLY brought balance to the force, because the DARK & LIGHT must be EQUAL!

FALSE!

Da Galaxy is a gigantic place and dark side exist in regions where the Galactic Republic has no presence or influence. So by wiping out Jedi Order, the sith got the upper hand with so much power, that the Jedi almost got extincted.

Always an Order based cult needs focus and organization to flourish, but a Chaos based cult can flourish everywhere where Order is weak or non-existent.
The original trilogy was a twist in this rule though. How a weak and low in numbers Jedi overcome the Sith and Emperor.

[Voxr]

FALSE!

Da Galaxy is a gigantic place and dark side exist in regions where the Galactic Republic has no presence or influence. So by wiping out Jedi Order, the sith got the upper hand with so much power, that the Jedi almost got extincted.
 

The Jedi had been left unmatched for almost a 1000 years by the time of the movies. Sure there was still a dark side presence but the Order was top dog. Allowing the light side to become the more prominent "force" so to speak. So when the order finally fell, the dark side assumed dominance allowing it to fill the gap that it had been pushed from. Thankfully (I guess) Palpatine had everything set in motion and planned so the Empire set up shop immediately which allowed the DS to fill the void in the short amount of time it did by the end of RoTJ.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Happy May the 4th!!!

 

[TheJediSaint]

I'm having a hard time getting over how hot Daisy Ridley is.

[Vox Draco]

I'd say that the Force is sentient or aware to some degree as it created Anakin to destroy the Sith. If I recall correctly, George Lucas has stated that the darkside is an impurity and the lightside is how the Force is meant to be. If that is true and if Shmi is to be taken at her word than it is reasonable to assume that the Force created a champion to destroy the impurity on its behalf, however its champion became corrupted by the impurity, but was able to destroy it at the cost of himself. Basically the balance is the Force trying to purify itself of the darkside.

 

I'd say that the Force doesn't have direct control in how it is used, but it wishes to be used for good and can steer things to play out in a desired result even if it has to do so in a roundabout way (Luke redeeming Vader, removing a flawed Jedi Council so that something better may be made). I'm making a few odd statements, I know, but that's how I've come to understand what the Force is. 

 

I always preferred a different interpretation (I actually hate what Lucas is thinking on this matter, its boring ^^). For me, there is only "The Force", and like Yin/Yang the Dark and Light Side are simply two sides of the same medal. If everything is "light" and pure, how can one see what is dark or evil? And every being has the potential in him/herself to use the force to either good or bad, dark or light.

 

"Only the Sith deal in extremes" ... yes, but being extremely "pure" and light-sided is just as false...and the reason why the Jedi failed just as much as the Sith. A true "Force-Wielder" is the one who walks the edge between light and dark, Who accepts what he is capable of. Who can love, and therefore can hate as well. Who can be jealous, but also forgiving and accepting. Only if you are aware of your own faults you can be "one" with the force

 

Of course ... hm... this interpretation has room for improvement...like hey, I saved a planet from destruction! ... And now I randomly kill some people? Yay!

 

But I think it kinda sounds cool and deep and philosophical

[AresKeith]

Damn, now you've brought up the Matrix, all I can think about is how I want to see Hugo Weaving in Star Wars.

All hail Agent Sith.

They totally should have got him for the new trilogy

[Nerevar-as]

I always preferred a different interpretation (I actually hate what Lucas is thinking on this matter, its boring ^^). For me, there is only "The Force", and like Yin/Yang the Dark and Light Side are simply two sides of the same medal. If everything is "light" and pure, how can one see what is dark or evil? And every being has the potential in him/herself to use the force to either good or bad, dark or light.

 

"Only the Sith deal in extremes" ... yes, but being extremely "pure" and light-sided is just as false...and the reason why the Jedi failed just as much as the Sith. A true "Force-Wielder" is the one who walks the edge between light and dark, Who accepts what he is capable of. Who can love, and therefore can hate as well. Who can be jealous, but also forgiving and accepting. Only if you are aware of your own faults you can be "one" with the force

 

Of course ... hm... this interpretation has room for improvement...like hey, I saved a planet from destruction! ... And now I randomly kill some people? Yay!

 

But I think it kinda sounds cool and deep and philosophical

 

I don´t define good by comparing it to evil, and find the notion that one needs the other disturbing (it can be treated interestingly, as in the Night Watch  books -the russian ones, not Pratchett´s -; or stupidly, as in Dragonlace). Going into the Force, the "light" side isn´t good anyways, it´s nature, and nature just is (if you try to catalogue nature it would be quite evil, as Lord Vetinari noted). The Dark Side is using the Force through negative emotions, and corrupts the user.  You can´t kill unnecessarily a lot of people today and save a lot of kittens tomorrow and say you´re a balanced person. Something I really hate about the so called gray characters is how many of them are real sobs, but because they are not evil 24/7 they are complex characters. No, they aren´t, look at the suffering they leave behind. Nobody is constantly thinking about who to **** next.

 

The old order way, however, is clearly wrong. Instead of teaching how to deal with strong emotions, they decided no emotions = no troubles. Even when somebody who had "CHOSEN ONE" written in body and soul appeared well outside their sphere of influence and found by who they considered a maverick, they still didn´t question their ways. Luke lets his positive emotions guide his actions, and manages to prevent the negative ones to do the same. Hate is pretty useless an emotion anyway, fear can keep you alive so it´s useful to pay atention to what it says, but hate just asks for payback. Some viewers take Lucas´s ideas about Jedi in filming order, while it should be taken chronologically. Luke is what Anakin would have been had the Jedi done their job properly.