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[Voxr]

^This. He had people that would tell him that things were a bad idea back during the OT. Luke was originally going to be a midget and I'm glad it didn't turn out that way.

That's partly why Empire (imo) is the best out of the series. Kershner was able to mold his ideas into something workable while being able to mitigate and a couple of times just straight up tell Lucas no.

[mybudgee]

I hope JJ has a few good sounding boards. He is a fan, but he could easily make bad judgement calls as well. (Star Trek?)

[Vroom Vroom]

That's partly why Empire (imo) is the best out of the series. Kershner was able to mold his ideas into something workable while being able to mitigate and a couple of times just straight up telling Lucas no.

It's my favorite as well. I adore George Lucas and am extremely grateful for all that he has done, but I am glad that Kershner got the freedom he needed when making Empire. Empire was amazing because it was solid action and twist central. It also had great character development and added a lot of dimensions to Vader.  

 

I hope JJ has a few good sounding boards. He is a fan, but he could easily make bad judgement calls as well. (Star Trek?)

I'm cautiously optimistic for once. I'm usually never optimistic. I feel like JJ might nail Star Wars 7, he's stated its his favorite thing that he has done. 

[Voxr]

It's my favorite as well. I adore George Lucas and am extremely grateful for all that he has done, but I am glad that Kershner got the freedom he needed when making Empire. Empire was amazing because it was solid action and twist central. It also had great character development and added a lot of dimensions to Vader.

Agreed. I like Lucas a lot actually. He is a great creator and has a good vision. He just isn't a solid director in my eyes. Though 3 I thought he did well enough in writing and directing. Not that it didn't have it's fair share of problems, but it was a decent movie. Unfortunately it is overshadowed by it's predecessors.

[Vroom Vroom]

Agreed. I like Lucas a lot actually. He is a great creator and has a good vision. He just isn't a solid director in my eyes. Though 3 I thought he did well enough in writing and directing. Not that it didn't have it's fair share of problems, but it was a decent movie. Unfortunately it is overshadowed by it predecessors.

I wish he would have started it out to where Episode 2 was Episode 1 and then we could have had a whole movie about the Clone Wars and Anakin becoming Vader toward the end. Then we could have an Episode 3 where Vader gets screwed up and comes back in the suit and finished off the Jedi. My main problem with Episode 1 was that it was an Anakin Skywalker origin story and I felt like I didn't need to know where Anakin came from. Episode 1 also felt like a waste because it didn't cover the Clone Wars which was something that we heard about briefly in IV. 

 

3 was my favorite when I was younger even though some of the things about it bothered me (I loved all of the action). As I got older I came to appreciate Empire more because of how well written it was. You know what I think the main difference between the OT and PT is? The PT was a lot more action and the OT was a lot more talking, but the action in the OT always was the huge payoff while in the PT it wasn't. 

[Voxr]

If the clone wars started in 1 I would have loved to have seen a more political focused/effects of war episode 2. Sort of like what we got in later seasons of the Clone Wars ( now I want to re-watch it). But on a larger scale and depth.

[Sifr]

I hope JJ has a few good sounding boards. He is a fan, but he could easily make bad judgement calls as well. (Star Trek?)

 

The first Star Trek was decent enough, I just wish that they'd explained the whole Supernova destroying Romulus thing better, it's kinda crucial to why Spock and Nero went back in time and why Nero is so hacked off that his planet got blown up?

 

Spoiler

If they'd said the word "Hypernova", then yes, that would have probably worked better and might have destroyed a couple Star Systems from the Gamma Ray Burst, but unless that was hyperbole, then a single star exploding would never risk destroying the galaxy, even with Trek science?

 

As for Star Trek Into Darkness... look, I love Wrath of Khan, but enough, can we stop remaking that movie? First Contact, Nemesis and the reboot were all pretty retreading WoK to some extent, that means we've had the last three movies be essentially the same?

 

Spoiler

Aside from that scene where Khan and Spock have a mental chessmatch about how they're going to beat each other, you never got that this Khan was smart, instead he was just a superman only when it came to fighitng because he makes a lot of dumb decisions? Plus the Augments now having super-blood that can bring people back to life was a dumb plot device back when it was in Heroes?

 

What really bothers me the most is that there's actually a better story for the Trek reboot films going on in the background, one that's never been addressed yet, but you'd only notice it only if you've been paying attention closely?

 

Spoiler

The deleted scenes for the first film tell us that rather than twiddling his thumbs for 25 years, Nero and his crew were in a Klingon prison camp, having been captured and their ship impounded after George Kirk's kamikaze run into the Narada. This is why Uhura mentions those 47 Klingon ships being attacked in the first movie, it was the fleet guarding the Narada that was wiped out when Nero and his crew finally broke out.

 

In Into Darkness, we see that a moon in orbit of Qo'nos, the Klingon homeworld, has been broken apart in the same manner as Praxis from Star Trek VI (so is presumably the same moon), but that means that the moon in this timeline blew up decades before it did in that movie, as a result of overmining. How did that happen? Because in this timeline, the Klingons have been using tech gleaned from the Narada, which was originally a mining vessel (hence the drill)... which accelerated the destruction of that moon?

 

That also is likely why when Khan beams down to the surface of Qo'nos, that city looks like more like Washington DC from Fallout 3 than something a spacefaring people with an interstellar empire would have on their homeworld? It means that in this timeline, the Klingon homeworld is suffering the environmental catastrophe that it suffered in Star Trek VI, years earlier than it happened in the orignal timeline?

 

So yes, there's a better movie happening in the background... but fine, lets just tell a story where Spock yells Khan really loud instead?

 

*Ahem*

 

Sorry, I've really not been happy with the way that JJ has been handling the Trek movies?

 

[mybudgee]

That's partly why Empire (imo) is the best out of the series. Kershner was able to mold his ideas into something workable while being able to mitigate and a couple of times just straight up telling Lucas no.

I am a Kershner fan fo sho. R.I.P.

[SmilesJA]

What about the part where Khan's blood can save people from death? I wonder if Anakin could have got some of that.

[Voxr]

What about the part where Khan's blood can save people from death? I wonder if Anakin could have got some of that.

If they did that they would have found a way to tie in midi-chlorians levels with it...... Ugh.

 

 

[mybudgee]

Oh-no! I just thought of an eerie similarity:

 

[Voxr]

Hey Starkiller could have had some serious potential. If you know......they took it seriously  

[mybudgee]

Hey Starkiller could have had some serious potential. If you know......they took it seriously

Exactly why TFU pissed me off

[Voxr]

Exactly why TFU pissed me off

They almost got there with TFU2 except the game ended just as it started to pick up. 

 

And now it seems it will be no more. 

[The Devlish Redhead]

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them

- Dirty Harry

[mybudgee]

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them

- Dirty Harry

I'd love to hear yours

 

*assumes Gene Wilder pose*

[The Devlish Redhead]

I'd love to hear yours

 

*assumes Gene Wilder pose*

Well for what it is worth I'm kind of excited for the new movie.

[spinachdiaper]

Zero faith in JJ Abrams making anything other than a B side fan fiction out of Star Wars, but as long as he understands that the most important thing is the action sequences then these new movies will at least be on par with the prequels.

[mybudgee]

Zero faith in JJ Abrams making anything other than a B side fan fiction out of Star Wars, but as long as he understands that the most important thing is the action sequences then these new movies will at least be on par with the prequels.

B-side might be our best shot

 

*glares at prequel DVDs*

[spinachdiaper]

B-side might be our best shot

 

*glares at prequel DVDs*

It's all about Saber Duels. Everything else is time filler.

[mybudgee]

It's all about Saber Duels. Everything else is time filler.

I... cannot argue against this

[The Devlish Redhead]

Zero faith in JJ Abrams making anything other than a B side fan fiction out of Star Wars, but as long as he understands that the most important thing is the action sequences then these new movies will at least be on par with the prequels.

Actually if you have seen any of his interviews JJ Abrams is more a fan of Star Wars then Star Trek. He has said so enough times and the 2009 Star Trek had a lot of nods in the dirrection of Star Wars..

[Voxr]

 

It's all about Saber Duels. Everything else is time filler.

 

 

Hey hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

[spinachdiaper]

Actually if you have seen any of his interviews JJ Abrams is more a fan of Star Wars then Star Trek. He has said so enough times and the 2009 Star Trek had a lot of nods in the dirrection of Star Wars..

JJ doesn't know the first thing about Trek, he never even watched a single episode or movie. Everything he did with Star Trek was a unrequited love letter to make Star Wars, which seems to have worked like a charm. Now it's everyone's hope he doesn't F this UP.

[spinachdiaper]

 

 

 

 

Hey hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

 

The real head scratcher is where did Leia hide that thermal detonator?