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No just no.


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For you just for you man.


I was mostly joking. I just thought the force gods episode was really bad. And kind of silly.
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There is ongoing talks of a reboot of Episodes 1, 2, and 3. Kathleen Kennedy (person in charge of LucasFilm) is leading the vanguard for this to happen. The idea is to shoot alongside and release it with the ongoing films. 

 

http://www.reddit.co...prequel_reboot/

 

This got to be fake. Kathleen Kennedy, regardless of her feelings towards the Prequels respects George Lucas enough not to reboot it.


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I was mostly joking. I just thought the force gods episode was really bad. And kind of silly.

Sounds like a Traviss move to me



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Wait I thought the Vong didn't show up till after Jedi....


So Vong stuff in the EU:

In KotOR, Canderous Ordo mentions encountering an asteroid ship with weird weapons that fled from combat and headed out on a vector that would take it outside the galaxy. It's generally understood that he's referring to a Yuuzhan Vong yorik-stronha scout ship.

In Rogue Planet, a novel set a few years after Episode I, Obi-Wan and Anakin travel to the mysterious planet Zonama Sekot in search of the missing Jedi Knight Vergere. They discover that Sekot is a living world, and that Vergere assisted it in a confrontation with strange humanoid invaders, the Far Outsiders, before agreeing to depart with the Far Outsiders in peace. After Wilhuff Tarkin attempted to seize control of the planet, Sekot escaped into hyperspace and disappeared into the Unknown Regions.

Palpatine apparently learned more about Sekot and the Far Outsiders in the interim. Shortly before Episode II, in his guise as Sidious, he armed an expedition of what was left of the Trade Federation navy to intercept Outbound Flight on its journey outside the galaxy. This expedition was neutralized by Chiss forces led by Thrawn. Palpatine's agent, Kinman Doriana, put Thrawn in contact with Sidious, who convinced Thrawn to divert Outbound Flight from its course. Sidious' primary objective in destroying Outbound Flight was to eliminate the sizable Jedi contingent on board, but he justified his decision to Thrawn by mentioning the Far Outsiders. According to Sidious, Outbound Flight would provoke the Far Outsiders and lead them into the galaxy at an inopportune time; he wanted to turn the weak Republic into a strong Empire to resist the onslaught of the extragalactic invaders. Thrawn was not interested in destroying Outbound Flight, but rather wished to use it against another enemy of his, the Vagaari slavers. Due to the instability of Jedi Master Jorus C'baoth, however, Thrawn and Doriana ended up destroying Outbound Flight in addition to the Vagaari. After the battle, Thrawn and other Chiss leaders admitted that they too were aware of the Far Outsiders, who had been testing Chiss defenses for some time. Thrawn's desire to protect the Chiss - and the rest of the galaxy - from the Far Outsiders led him eventually to be forced out of Chiss service and to join the Empire.

But, of course, the Empire fell apart anyway, in the orgy of civil war that followed the defeat at Endor. Thrawn reunited the Imperials for a time, and the reborn Emperor did as well, but after the last of the Emperor's clones was destroyed the civil war started in earnest. There were several contestants for power, like Carnor Jax, Sarcev Quest, and the rehabilitated Ruling Council "led" by Xandel Carivus. It soon became apparent that none of them could achieve any real measure of supremacy over the others; as it turned out, this was due to the work of Nom Anor, a shadow figure who was the power behind Carivus's "throne". Carivus tried to assert his independence by wiping out the rest of the Council and seizing full control as sole Emperor, but Anor quickly cut him down to size by summoning Carivus's enemies, Baron d'Asta and the renegade Royal Guardsman Kir Kanos, to Ord Cantrell. D'Asta's ships wiped out Carivus's fleet and Kanos executed the would-be Emperor himself. Anor escaped in the confusion.

Nom Anor resurfaced fifteen years later as the leader of a powerful religious-political cult on the world of Rhommamool, who instigated a war with the neighboring government of Osarian to embarrass the Republic and strain its Defense Force to the breaking point. Anor faked his death to further enrage his followers, then escaped to the Outer Rim to join the Yuuzhan Vong vanguard, which had finally arrived to launch their assault on the civilized galaxy.

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Anor's first appearance was in the Crimson Empire comics from 1997 to 1999 as a mysterious hooded manipulator playing the typical comic-book Mystery Role, like a bargain-bin version of the Jackal in Spider-Man. When the New Jedi Order series started up, Del Rey and R.A. Salvatore, the author of Vector Prime, turned Anor into an agent of the Yuuzhan Vong, and eventually one of the central characters in the Yuuzhan Vong war. Vector Prime was published a few months after Episode I came out in 1999 as part of the big multimedia push surrounding the film's release.

A few months later, Rogue Planet was published, primarily in order to start the adventures of Obi-Wan and Anakin after Naboo but also to tie in to the NJO: the Far Outsiders were the Yuuzhan Vong, Vergere would show up in the NJO in a very big role, and Zonama Sekot would appear in the final act of the book series and play a critical role in resolving the conflict.

Knights of the Old Republic came out in 2003. While BioWare's writers clearly knew EU lore and incorporated it into the game thoroughly, the way in which the lore made it in was often fairly cavalier. For example, the game referenced Exar Kun's war on the Republic only a few decades before, but the technology in the game was much more similar to that of the prequel trilogies four thousand years into the future. Ordo's story about the asteroid ship was a clear reference to the Yuuzhan Vong, but having the Vong in the galaxy millennia before they actually appeared there was strange. Still, the game came out near the climax of the NJO series, and the reference was a neat bit of cross-promotion despite the silliness.

Outbound Flight was not published until 2006, three years after the NJO series had concluded. It filled in extra detail about the Far Outsiders and their earlier role in the galaxy in a way that wove multiple threads about extragalactic exploration together, while also serving to retcon various details about Outbound Flight that had been rendered incorrect by the prequel trilogy.

I'm sure there are other references, but my lore-fu is a bit uneven these days.
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So Vong stuff in the EU:
*snip*

I'm sure there are other references, but my lore-fu is a bit uneven these days.

Lol that was more than I knew. I kinda remember the KoTOR bit, but I never thought much of it in the end. It's been a while since I've played that game.



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There is ongoing talks of a reboot of Episodes 1, 2, and 3. Kathleen Kennedy (person in charge of LucasFilm) is leading the vanguard for this to happen. The idea is to shoot alongside and release it with the ongoing films.

http://www.reddit.co...prequel_reboot/


I don't see this happening. Disney bought Lucasfilm to tell new stories with more films in the franchise.

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This got to be fake. Kathleen Kennedy, regardless of her feelings towards the Prequels respects George Lucas enough not to reboot it.

It's a Complete falsehood. Also; reddit

 

:lol:


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This got to be fake. Kathleen Kennedy, regardless of her feelings towards the Prequels respects George Lucas enough not to reboot it.

 

A pity it's probably fake, because honestly, I think that now Disney own the franchise, they should be allowed to reboot the prequels and re-release the orig-trig without (most of) the dumb revisions and tinkering that Lucas did, even when it became clear that the fanbase hated them?

 

If the only thing they junk is the EU, that sucks because we actually (mostly) liked that part of the Star Wars universe... the prequels, not so much?



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Keep in mind Lucas is STILL employed as an advisor/character writer on ep. 7 - 9 ... which means he has a back seat, but is still on the bus


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I don't see this happening. Disney bought Lucasfilm to tell new stories with more films in the franchise.

I don't know, I see it as a possibility. Disney doesn't seem to be a fan of the prequels either as they have distanced themselves from them. There could be a reason other than dislike, maybe they cancelled The Clone Wars cartoon and "Battlefront" doesn't cover the prequels for a reason; that being they are considering a reboot of the prequels? 



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Well, the prequels are canon. I doubt they will add confusion with two incarnations of the prequels after untangling the EU to create the new canon timeline.

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Keep in mind Lucas is STILL employed as an advisor/character writer on ep. 7 - 9 ... which means he has a back seat, but is still on the bus

 

Lucas had some cool ideals - having him involved is only a good thing. Someone just needs to filter the crap from the good high concept fantasy stuff. 


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Yeah as much as the prequels (mainly 1&2) are not that great. I think they should just let sleeping dogs lie.



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I'd love to see a prequel reboot, but I doubt that will ever happen. 



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Keep in mind Lucas is STILL employed as an advisor/character writer on ep. 7 - 9 ... which means he has a back seat, but is still on the bus

I get the impression that was more to humour him while the sale was going through. He doesn't seem involved now and his concept of a teenage cast has been thrown out.



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I get the impression that was more to humour him while the sale was going through. He doesn't seem involved now and his concept of a teenage cast has been thrown out.

 

Lucas wanted the new films to be about a bunch of teenagers?

 

If true I've never been more glad that he is no longer at the helm.



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Yeah, Rebels is terribad. I can be harsh and super critical at times I admit that, but Rebels just plain sucks. The protagonist is annoying and totally forgettable.

 

The season kinda picked up towards the end imo



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Lucas wanted the new films to be about a bunch of teenagers?

 

If true I've never been more glad that he is no longer at the helm.

 

Eh, it could've been good.



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A pity it's probably fake, because honestly, I think that now Disney own the franchise, they should be allowed to reboot the prequels and re-release the orig-trig without (most of) the dumb revisions and tinkering that Lucas did, even when it became clear that the fanbase hated them?

 

If the only thing they junk is the EU, that sucks because we actually (mostly) liked that part of the Star Wars universe... the prequels, not so much?

 

But how many hated Lucas? The prequels split the fanbase and there are plenty of people who like and respect Lucas.



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Lucas deserves all the credit for creating the Star Wars universe, and his first two films set in that universe were fantastic. But sometime between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi he seems to have lost his mojo. Or rather he stopped listening to advice, which previously had worked as a check on some of his bad ideas.


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Lucas deserves all the credit for creating the Star Wars universe, and his first two films set in that universe were fantastic. But sometime between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi he seems to have lost his mojo. Or rather he stopped listening to advice, which previously had worked as a check on some of his bad ideas.

It's because Irvin left. Lucas didn't direct ESB. Which is why IMO it's the best one.


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So Yavin IV could be the "pirate hangout".

 

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Lucas wanted the new films to be about a bunch of teenagers?

 

If true I've never been more glad that he is no longer at the helm.

Apparently according to JJ in an interview with Vanity fair..."[Abrams] said Lucas’s treatment had centered on very young characters—teenagers, Lucasfilm told me—which might have struck Disney executives as veering too close for comfort to The Phantom Menace and its 9-year-old Anakin Skywalker and 13-year-old Queen Amidala,"



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Are Revanites in the movie?