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[Rawgrim]

Well Palpatine also had numerous force users trained in the dark side (Mara Jade and the Inquistors come to mind) but they were never considered Sith either. 

 

Being a sith requires "special training" just dark side training isn't enough. Regular darkside users are more dabblers. A Sith is someone who is consumed with it, and has had special training to focus it and whatever else. Maul was a sith-apprentice, and he got Sith training.

 

But once someone has had Sith training, he is a sith (in varying degree).

[Voxr]

While I agree with Rawgrim. I'd still argue Maul a was a lesser Sith at best, if not a glorified Dark Jedi. Palpatine used him like his personal assassin and hunting dog, rather than an apprentice IMO.

[Dermain]

While I agree with Rawgrim. I'd still argue Maul a was a lesser Sith at best, if not a glorified Dark Jedi. Palpatine used him like his personal assassin and hunting dog, rather than an apprentice IMO.

 

Well that's pretty much what he did with Vader as well. 

[Rawgrim]

He was a lesser sith, yes. I am kind of confused by why Papatine left him alive, really. Maul actually cried like a little girl and begged Palpatine to spare him, when he got defeated. That is as far from Sith behavior as you can get.

[Voxr]

Well that's pretty much what he did with Vader as well.

But Vader had a better potential of power. Which Palpatine capitalized on and put to use. Not all the way of course, but more than he did with any other.

[Rawgrim]

I wish Lucas had kept Maul alive in episode 1. And kept him around as the main antagonist in ep 2 and 3. Used Anakin to kill him and take his place in mid ep 3. No need for Dooku or Grievous.

[Voxr]

I wish Lucas had kept Maul alive in episode 1. And kept him around as the main antagonist in ep 2 and 3. Used Anakin to kill him and take his place in mid ep 3. No need for Dooku or Grievous.

You and me both. I at least wish Dooku would have stuck as the main bad in 3.... Dooku had class and style, I like him.

[Rawgrim]

Dooku was kind of cool, but he didn't really do anything. He showed up near the end of ep 2. Talked a bit. Had a fight. Then gets killed off at the start of episode 3.

 

Actually they could have kept Jango alive a bit longer too. Could have been used to kill some jedi knights.

[Voxr]

Lucas kills all the good characters too early! We get one movie with Jango, but 3 with Jar Jar??

FFS!!

[DeathScepter]

He was a lesser sith, yes. I am kind of confused by why Papatine left him alive, really. Maul actually cried like a little girl and begged Palpatine to spare him, when he got defeated. That is as far from Sith behavior as you can get.

 

Palpatine is a sadist, he gets his kicks from making other suffer. So it is more of a cruelty on Palpatine than a mercy. There is a good reason that Palpatine is on the Complete Monster page within TvTropes and the main villain of the Prequels and Original Trilogies.

[mybudgee]

Jedi ranks: Jedi Master > Knight > Apprentice > Padawan

 

Sith: Sith Lord > Sith Apprentice > Assassin > Acolyte > Inquisitor > Dark Jedi/initiate > Intern

 

[Voxr]

Intern lol

[mybudgee]

Dooku was kind of cool, but he didn't really do anything. He showed up near the end of ep 2. Talked a bit. Had a fight. Then gets killed off at the start of episode 3.

 

Actually they could have kept Jango alive a bit longer too. Could have been used to kill some jedi knights.

What if I told you: Dooku was a plot device

[Rawgrim]

What if I told you: Dooku was a plot device

 

He was. And Maul could have served as the same plot device.

[Voxr]

What if I told you: Dooku was a plot device

[mybudgee]

[Vox Draco]

I wish Lucas had kept Maul alive in episode 1. And kept him around as the main antagonist in ep 2 and 3. Used Anakin to kill him and take his place in mid ep 3. No need for Dooku or Grievous.

 

Indeed. For me another sign there was never a fully-fleshed out script for all three prequel-movies to begin with, and most stuff was written together hastily and changed to please the fancrowd or erase mistakes, instead of having one coherent vision, one coherent story that NEEDS to be told, that Lucas WANTED to be told. It's quite a mess story-wise, and as we are on a Bioware-board I can't help but pointing the finger at Mass Effect here...which for me also had no vision of what story they wanted to tell over three games, or abandoned that vision...

 

It's already hard enough to find a protagonist in the PT to actually care about (they are either bland, stupid, or unlikeable, often all together), but they also keep changing the anatonists around, we can't even focus our hate on anyone...

 

In the OT, we had Vader as the constant. And it is kinda great how they slowly shifted the focus towards the Emperor. First Palpy only gets mentioned, the next Episode we finally see him in that Holo-Teaser, and then he takes over as the main bad-guy. And that's how you do it, imho....

 

Lucas kills all the good characters too early! We get one movie with Jango, but 3 with Jar Jar??

FFS!!

 

 

What if I told you: Dooku was a plot device

 

If you have no plot and no clue what is actually supposed to happen in your script, just get a prominent actor of world-wide renown who also starred in the other mega-franchise-trilogy, and voila, let him play count Dooku McGuffin...

 

Such a gigantic waste of talent...and Peter Cushing will tell Chris Lee the same in heaven, I am sure...

[DarthSliver]

Indeed. For me another sign there was never a fully-fleshed out script for all three prequel-movies to begin with, and most stuff was written together hastily and changed to please the fancrowd or erase mistakes, instead of having one coherent vision, one coherent story that NEEDS to be told, that Lucas WANTED to be told. It's quite a mess story-wise, and as we are on a Bioware-board I can't help but pointing the finger at Mass Effect here...which for me also had no vision of what story they wanted to tell over three games, or abandoned that vision...

 

It's already hard enough to find a protagonist in the PT to actually care about (they are either bland, stupid, or unlikeable, often all together), but they also keep changing the anatonists around, we can't even focus our hate on anyone...

 

In the OT, we had Vader as the constant. And it is kinda great how they slowly shifted the focus towards the Emperor. First Palpy only gets mentioned, the next Episode we finally see him in that Holo-Teaser, and then he takes over as the main bad-guy. And that's how you do it, imho....

 

 

 

 

Honestly since the PT was suppose to be about Anakin being a great Jedi and turning to the dark side they should've started it off in The Clone Wars already happening like the Rebellion was already going in the OT. Episode 3 may have had some bad lines, looking at the romantic lines there, but I feel it was the best of the PT. Only Episode 1 had the Darth Maul fight and Episode 2 only had that epic battle at the end, otherwise they didn't really stand out that much in my opinion. 

 

I said this once but I would be open for Disney to completely redo the PT properly. 

[TheChosenOne]

Honestly since the PT was suppose to be about Anakin being a great Jedi and turning to the dark side they should've started it off in The Clone Wars already happening like the Rebellion was already going in the OT. Episode 3 may have had some bad lines, looking at the romantic lines there, but I feel it was the best of the PT. Only Episode 1 had the Darth Maul fight and Episode 2 only had that epic battle at the end, otherwise they didn't really stand out that much in my opinion. 
 
I said this once but I would be open for Disney to completely redo the PT properly.

I have to say I disagree with the last statement. As much as I dislike the PT I don't want Star Wars to.become the next franchise to do reboots or.remakes. I say what's done is done and move on. The ONLY reason Disney would even consider redoing the prequels is for money

[Milan92]

I'm currently watching the clone wars tv serie and pretend the prequel films didnt happen

[Rawgrim]

I'm currently watching the clone wars tv serie and pretend the prequel films didnt happen

 

The clone wars pretends none of the moves happened.

[Vox Draco]

Honestly since the PT was suppose to be about Anakin being a great Jedi and turning to the dark side they should've started it off in The Clone Wars already happening like the Rebellion was already going in the OT. Episode 3 may have had some bad lines, looking at the romantic lines there, but I feel it was the best of the PT. Only Episode 1 had the Darth Maul fight and Episode 2 only had that epic battle at the end, otherwise they didn't really stand out that much in my opinion. 

 

I said this once but I would be open for Disney to completely redo the PT properly. 

 

I agree (though the last sentence will never happen ^^)

 

The Phantom Menace simply wasted precious screen time. Also I never was a big fan of this focus on Vader. When you watch the OT, you never realyl have the feeling Vader is more than a glorified henchman, a second fiddle, hell in "Hope" the Moff's treat him with disrespect and ridicule him (until choked^^) ... and then the PT tries to make him the focus, make him a chosen one, invent some weird prophecy (who actually wrote that? Maggy the Frog ...different franchise, sorry^^)

 

The PT should have started with young/middle-aged Obi-Wan being the center, and some promising young and talented Padawan at his side, called Anakin. The galaxy is at the brink of a war with a seperatist-group demanding independence from the Republic, and at the end of Episode 1 the seperatists unleash their army of terrifying clones unto the unprepared Republic and their numerous but weak and inflexible droid-armies...

 

And then gradually over the next movies we see how this terrible war tore the galaxy apart, how Palpatine plots and puts much blame on the Jedi for handling the war badly, and being responsible for many casualties, stirring the anger and fear of the general public, against the Jedi...while Anakin fights the war, as Knight and ace-pilot, at the side of his friend Obi Wan, but all the death and destructions take its toll on young Anakin. More and more disillusioned her eventually stops to believe in the Jedi-Order, and agrees to Palpatine's views that only strength can bring order to the galaxy and stop more bloodshed...or something like that, I am no writer^^

 

TL;DR: Phantom Menace was simply unnecessary and had too many kids in them plus a cartoon space-rabbit nobody wanted, instead of giving us the sinister clone-wars Obi-Wan briefly mentioned, and ever since kept our imagination busy

 

(And just thinking about it: Hell, Obi Wan served in the clone-wars with Bail Organa?! What did Bail tell his daughter about that time? Did Bail ever do anything? Just think about it: Episode 2 on Alderaan, invaded by (evil)clones, Anakin/Obiwan and the Republic trying to take it back, Bail an unwilling war-leader at their side - would even explain why war-weary Alderaan indeed swore off the weapons...and a neat place for Anakin to meet future Mrs. Dead-Skywalker*sigh*, alright, let's reboot the PT...)

[Drone223]

I said this once but I would be open for Disney to completely redo the PT properly. 

If they do decide to remake the PT not having Hayden Christiansen alone would be a major improvement.

[Voxr]

You know what? I'm in the minority here I know, but I honestly think Hayden Christensen's performance is due to lack of good direction more than anything else.
People like McGregor, Jackson, McDiarmid etc. gave a better performance because they were better and more experienced actors and I think were able to make up for lack of decent direction. But even Portman had some straight up cringe worthy moments all throughout the PT. So did the former. Now Christensen is by no means superb in his acting ability. But his performances in Life as a House and Shattered Glass are, again not amazing, but solid. And in Ep. 3 I think he actually had some good moments, as did everyone. I think it really comes down to the thing we all know and have heard a million times over. Lucas just isn't that great at directing. And writing even, all the Ani/Padme stuff was horrible, because that dialogue was atrocious.

[SmilesJA]

I agree (though the last sentence will never happen ^^)

 

The Phantom Menace simply wasted precious screen time. Also I never was a big fan of this focus on Vader. When you watch the OT, you never realyl have the feeling Vader is more than a glorified henchman, a second fiddle, hell in "Hope" the Moff's treat him with disrespect and ridicule him (until choked^^) ... and then the PT tries to make him the focus, make him a chosen one, invent some weird prophecy (who actually wrote that? Maggy the Frog ...different franchise, sorry^^)

 

The PT should have started with young/middle-aged Obi-Wan being the center, and some promising young and talented Padawan at his side, called Anakin. The galaxy is at the brink of a war with a seperatist-group demanding independence from the Republic, and at the end of Episode 1 the seperatists unleash their army of terrifying clones unto the unprepared Republic and their numerous but weak and inflexible droid-armies...

 

And then gradually over the next movies we see how this terrible war tore the galaxy apart, how Palpatine plots and puts much blame on the Jedi for handling the war badly, and being responsible for many casualties, stirring the anger and fear of the general public, against the Jedi...while Anakin fights the war, as Knight and ace-pilot, at the side of his friend Obi Wan, but all the death and destructions take its toll on young Anakin. More and more disillusioned her eventually stops to believe in the Jedi-Order, and agrees to Palpatine's views that only strength can bring order to the galaxy and stop more bloodshed...or something like that, I am no writer^^

 

TL;DR: Phantom Menace was simply unnecessary and had too many kids in them plus a cartoon space-rabbit nobody wanted, instead of giving us the sinister clone-wars Obi-Wan briefly mentioned, and ever since kept our imagination busy

 

(And just thinking about it: Hell, Obi Wan served in the clone-wars with Bail Organa?! What did Bail tell his daughter about that time? Did Bail ever do anything? Just think about it: Episode 2 on Alderaan, invaded by (evil)clones, Anakin/Obiwan and the Republic trying to take it back, Bail an unwilling war-leader at their side - would even explain why war-weary Alderaan indeed swore off the weapons...and a neat place for Anakin to meet future Mrs. Dead-Skywalker*sigh*, alright, let's reboot the PT...)

 

Err the Phatom Menace was showed us the origins of Anakin and the rise of Sidious. It also planted the seeds of the Clone Wars.