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[The Love Runner]

Leaked photo of Luke Skywalker
 

Spoiler

 

 

Don't mess with the Jedi Master, son.

[Rawgrim]

According to legends, redshirts always die, but stormtroopers can't hit anything. That begst the question: if a stormtrooper misses a redshirt, does he die anyway?

 

Whoever thought the stormtroopers always miss their targets haven't watched the movies.

[mybudgee]

Whoever thought the stormtroopers always miss their targets haven't watched the movies.

They have about 80 - 85% accuracy, Which isn't too bad. Except that we're talking about laser rifles...

[Milan92]

Replacing the clone troopers with storm troopers was the only dumb decision Sidious didnt forsee.

Because the clones actually knew how to aim.

[Rawgrim]

Replacing the clone troopers with storm troopers was the only dumb decision Sidious didnt forsee.

Because the clones actually knew how to aim.

 

Wasn't too hard to hit those "Roger Roger" droids, though.

[Milan92]

Wasn't too hard to hit those "Roger Roger" droids, though.

Not only those, but the jedi too.

[Rawgrim]

Not only those, but the jedi too.

 

Mostly shot those in the back from a few feet away.

[Milan92]

Mostly shot those in the back from a few feet away.

 

But they still were able to hit them!

[Rawgrim]

But they still were able to hit them!

 

I know. The Stormtroopers hit Jawas and Ewoks (smaller targets), A bunch of Rebels. C-3PO, R2, and Leia.

[Milan92]

I know. The Stormtroopers hit Jawas and Ewoks (smaller targets), A bunch of Rebels. C-3PO, R2, and Leia.

 

The only Ewok that got killed was through that walker.

 

I do agree on the jawa's. For some reason they are excellent shots offscreen.

[Dermain]

They have about 80 - 85% accuracy, Which isn't too bad. Except that we're talking about laser rifles...

 

As long as they're not shooting at the main characters they have that accuracy. 

 

Even when they do shoot the main characters it's minor.

[Chewin]

Strange you started off praising a picture showing bigger and better empire then... Let's put aside our hipster hats and assume we all love starwars and that I am speaking from place where good story telling is a given.  Giving conflict a greater scale with context has merit but that doesn't mean it's worthless. You won't convince very many people that the Battle of Helm's Deep would've had the same impact if you only saw 20 orcs fighting 10 humans and a horse.  

 

Try not boil things down to "explosions and a lot of pew pewing". I am not saying let's go Michael Bay. That's absolute trash with meaningless violence that served no purpose.  I am talking about movies have used large scale battle effectively like Omaha beach in Saving Private Ryan and Battle of Sterling in Braveheart.  Size, scale and production contributed greatly to the immersive effect these movies had on the audience. 

 

In short: If you're going to put "wars" in the title of your movie then you better bring on the war.  With today's tech there really isn't a reason they can't. Oh yeah don't fool yourself, size matters. 

 

Whoa there! No need to get so defensive. Apologies if I brought offense, I didn't mean it personally (then again, I perhaps worded it a bit so).

 

I believe you missed my point that I wanted to put forward; which wasn't the complete dismissal of large scale battles, as opposed the over reliance on them just for the sake of it. You stated that "large scale battles" are a mandatory, while stating that Ep VII as so on should not go back to the battles in the OT, to which I disagreed on. As Vox Draco stated in page earlier, there is a reason as to why most of the OT's battles are more compelling than the ones in the PT's, since they put emphasis on several aspects rather than the battles themselves. Actual build up, stakes and characters at play, and so forth. A battle on a greater scale doesn't equal merit at all, just like how the Battle of Coruscant--despite being large in scale--is used as an auxiliary to push the narrative, instead of actually adding further emphasis on the battle itself (which has relied on Expanded Material to make it more compelling). Compare that to Battle of Hoth, which is considerably smaller, but still had a lot more focus on the conflict and made it a more compelling one.

 

A grand battle is always visually pleasing. It is a spectacle, but simply because we have "Wars" in the title, doesn't mean that it is a necessity. And yes, I will boil it down to "Michael Bay" level of a perspective, since it is a genuine fear that I have that Ep VII could easily fall into. Meaningless violence is a trap that could possibly happen, since just like you said; because the movie has "Wars" in it, it needs to "bring on the war". What I argue is to have a well thought out one, and not something done simply because of a reasoning like that. Ep VII can easily have something more minor in terms of battles as a nice first taste, and then have something more grandeur in Ep VIII, for example. As I stated earlier--depends of course how things are executed, but that is how I view the issue. If Ep VII starts out will a "blast" and gives us the biggest battle we have seen on the screen as of yet, which I can appreciate of course, but I wouldn't mind something minor. An no, when I talk about minor battles I don't mean a fight between a few individuals, but armed forces.

 

And I am not fooling anyone, size doesn't always matter

[TheChris92]

Less emphasize on overly extravagant lightsaber choreography that looks less like sword fighting and more like a stand off between two jugglers. The prequels didn't pack the same raw emotion that could be found in Bob Anderson's work, like the fight with Vader in Empire. 

Also, the title Star Wars is just a name and Star Wars is more than just lightsabers, the Force, and intergalactic Starfighters -- It's also about smugglers, scoundrels, the underbelly of society, various aliens whose culture is not widely explored. It's a world of things to talk about.

 

The emphasize on war is sound given that the history of humanity is build upon conflict after conflict. Some are large others aren't.

If anything, it would be neat if these films took a somewhat 'Game of Thrones' approach in regards to building up grand scale conflicts. Like the Battle of Blackwater, or the one at the Wall. A Song of Ice and Fire was partially inspired by the historical War of the Roses, where politics, intrigue were major factors, but the war itself carried a wide impact on a whole culture. I could see Star Wars place its focus on small-scale conflicts that stacks up to something larger, or deeper, if anything I do miss seeing more characters like Han Solo, criminals, scoundrels, the underworld of the illustrious Republic.

[Sir Edric]

Man, I hope Kylo Ren is one awesome Sith (or whatever he will be).

 

I read that they have stated that Kylo will be a complex character with a complicated past, so I have my fingers crossed. They could say it just to build up hype, but I would like to believe that them coming out and actually saying it, will have some form of relevance. 

[Chewin]

Less emphasize on overly extravagant lightsaber choreography that looks less like sword fighting and more like a stand off between two jugglers. The prequels didn't pack the same raw emotion that could be found in Bob Anderson's work, like the fight with Vader in Empire. 

Also, the title Star Wars is just a name and Star Wars is more than just lightsabers, the Force, and intergalactic Starfighters -- It's also about smugglers, scoundrels, the underbelly of society, various aliens whose culture is not widely explored. It's a world of things to talk about.

 

The emphasize on war is sound given that the history of humanity is build upon conflict after conflict. Some are large others aren't.

If anything, it would be neat if these films took a somewhat 'Game of Thrones' approach in regards to building up grand scale conflicts. Like the Battle of Blackwater, or the one at the Wall. A Song of Ice and Fire was partially inspired by the historical War of the Roses, where politics, intrigue were major factors, but the war itself carried a wide impact on a whole culture. I could see Star Wars place its focus on small-scale conflicts that stacks up to something larger, or deeper, if anything I do miss seeing more characters like Han Solo, criminals, scoundrels, the underworld of the illustrious Republic.

 

To add further; the essence of Star Wars--specifically the original trilogy--is that it is the classic underdog story; putting emphasis on well written characters, fighting through thick and thin against an oppressive power (or simply impossible odds) for the common good. It is your classic light vs dark story, but just like the prequels tried to establish a rather similar concept but with its own twist on different aspects, so should the upcoming trilogy do as well--but with a stronger connection to the trilogies movies, and not be as disjointed as the prequels.

 

I also hope that the original cast are used to complement the newer one, and not be the focal point of the movie(s). Having Luke, Leia, Han and others as advisors, applying what they have learned to the new generation is something I'd like to see. E.g. having Luke pointing out how balance is not simply the destruction of the Dark Side, but the understanding of it and seeing both Light and Dark from both ends of the spectrum would be a nice touch regarding the Force, while Han Solo perchance bringing his past and his development when regards to people and perhaps even society, strengthened by Leia's influence, would be a nice POV on that front.

 

The premise that I've gathered from the trailers alone, about fringe elements of the defeated Empire regrouping and planning a counter attack, and by having Ep VII build up the threat and have it span out through the entire trilogy, is something I am fascinated by (just like I enjoyed the concept in the Thrawn Trilogy). There exists some great potential, but I would be lying if I said that I am more afraid of the movies screwing up than actually make it compelling.

 

Hopefully I will be proven wrong, and while I am tremendously excited for Ep VII, I am as well skeptical to the core. 

[Vox Draco]

I can't wait to see his new Jedi order

 

My bet is: You'll have to wait til part 9 for that. At least for a "real" Order to have manifested, like in the PT (hopefully wholly different though as in the PT). I think "Awakening" and the next two movies will establish kind of a new Star-Wars-Universe with something like a status-quo. Sure, evil will somewhat be vanquied in 9, but not decisively and happily-ever-after-like. To pave the way for something even bigger in the future (a bit like the Marvel-Phases), maybe it will be called "Sith Wars" - who knows ^^

 

A grand battle is always visually pleasing. It is a spectacle, but simply because we have "Wars" in the title, doesn't mean that it is a necessity. And yes, I will boil it down to "Michael Bay" level of a perspective, since it is a genuine fear that I have that Ep VII could easily fall into. Meaningless violence is a trap that could possibly happen, since just like you said; because the movie has "Wars" in it, it needs to "bring on the war". What I argue is to have a well thought out one, and not something done simply because of a reasoning like that. Ep VII can easily have something more minor in terms of battles as a nice first taste, and then have something more grandeur in Ep VIII, for example. As I stated earlier--depends of course how things are executed, but that is how I view the issue. If Ep VII starts out will a "blast" and gives us the biggest battle we have seen on the screen as of yet, which I can appreciate of course, but I wouldn't mind something minor. An no, when I talk about minor battles I don't mean a fight between a few individuals, but armed forces.

 

And I am not fooling anyone, size doesn't always matter

 

I am rather sure Ep. 7 won't waste all the Star Wars powder on its first shot. Stuff will be introduced, like the new Star Destroyers, ground vehicles etc. But if they are clever a lot of things will teasing us, hoping to see more of it in later movies. For example I don't need a ground battle in Ep 7 just for the sake of having one (like in Ep 1)

 

Also, these battles need to have some "soul" to it. I don't wanna start rambling again but just some thought I had when I wrote my earlier tractate. Comparing the gungan/droid-battle and the Empire/Ewok-Battle....

 

The gungan one is fully CGI, with droids marching forward, killing many gungans without makin us care, while the only "main char" involved is Jar Jar Lewis and his cartoon-antics only serve to lower the feeling of seriousness in that battle. At one point after much blaster fire, its over...

 

With the Ewoks? No I am no friend of the fuzzy balls, but I will give the battle some credit, especially how it evolves and is choreographed. At first Ewoks save teh Rebels, but we have many scenes where they are beaten back by the Empire. The Ewoks in vain fire stones at the At-Sts, try to make them trip over rope etc. But then we see how they also adapt. They loot imperial equipment like blasters, hijack speeders, use more advaned traps and even conquer an At-St (though that Chewbacca tarzan-cry...*sigh*)

 

Say what you want about the Ewoks (though wookies still would have been cooler), but the battle is much more engaging in itself than the ground-engagements in the Prequels, because it simply is more than just "pew pew - look what we can do with CGI!"

 

 

Vox Draco's Star-Wars-quote of the day:

 

"UUUUUNLIIIMMMIIITTEEDD POOOOOOWWWWWWAAAAAA"

[SmilesJA]

 

The gungan one is fully CGI, with droids marching forward, killing many gungans without makin us care, while the only "main char" involved is Jar Jar Lewis and his cartoon-antics only serve to lower the feeling of seriousness in that battle. At one point after much blaster fire, its over...

 

With the Ewoks? No I am no friend of the fuzzy balls, but I will give the battle some credit, especially how it evolves and is choreographed. At first Ewoks save teh Rebels, but we have many scenes where they are beaten back by the Empire. The Ewoks in vain fire stones at the At-Sts, try to make them trip over rope etc. But then we see how they also adapt. They loot imperial equipment like blasters, hijack speeders, use more advaned traps and even conquer an At-St (though that Chewbacca tarzan-cry...*sigh*)

 

Say what you want about the Ewoks (though wookies still would have been cooler), but the battle is much more engaging in itself than the ground-engagements in the Prequels, because it simply is more than just "pew pew - look what we can do with CGI!"

 

 

Vox Draco's Star-Wars-quote of the day:

 

"UUUUUNLIIIMMMIIITTEEDD POOOOOOWWWWWWAAAAAA"

 

What about the comedic relief with Chewbacca and the Ewoks taking on the pilots on the AT-ST? That was just as silly as what Jar-Jar did The Gungans were beaten back by the droid army as well and it was actually more believable than the mighty Empire being taken down by a bunch of teddy bears wielding sticks and rocks.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

 

I also hope that the original cast are used to complement the newer one, and not be the focal point of the movie(s). Having Luke, Leia, Han and others as advisors, applying what they have learned to the new generation is something I'd like to see. E.g. having Luke pointing out how balance is not simply the destruction of the Dark Side, but the understanding of it and seeing both Light and Dark from both ends of the spectrum would be a nice touch regarding the Force, while Han Solo perchance bringing his past and his development when regards to people and perhaps even society, strengthened by Leia's influence, would be a nice POV on that front.

 

Vroom Vroom posted a link about it. It says that Han will be part of the main cast (as in having more participation, interaction with the other main characters and such) as others, like Leia and Luke that won't ahve the same importance as the main Characters (like Finn)

[Rawgrim]

What about the comedic relief with Chewbacca and the Ewoks taking on the pilots on the AT-ST? That was just as silly as what Jar-Jar did The Gungans were beaten back by the droid army as well and it was actually more believable than the mighty Empire being taken down by a bunch of teddy bears wielding sticks and rocks.

 

The entire empire wasn't taken down by a bunch of bears. A Squad of stormtroopers was.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Jesus, I can't wait anymore for December...

 

Someone put me on carbonite.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

The entire empire wasn't taken down by a bunch of bears. A Squad of stormtroopers was.

 

Oh, please... If it weren't for those Teddy bears, the Rebellion Ground force would never have managed to shut down the Shield Generator for the Death Star.

 

So, yes, the Ewoks DID defeat the whole Empire.

[breakdown71289]

Jesus, I can't wait anymore for December...

 

Someone put me on carbonite.

 

Revenge of the Sith came out in 2005. If you could wait all those years for a new Star Wars film, I'm sure you could wait a few more months lol.

[OdanUrr]

Leaked photo of Luke Skywalker

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

I half-hoped he'd stick to black.

[SmilesJA]

So did I.

[mybudgee]

I half-hoped he'd stick to black.

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