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#4551
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The way Lucas phrased it in commentary of Jedi -- He wanted to portray a story of 'the little guy overthrowing his oppressors' even if that little guy is a half-feet tall teddie bear and his oppressor are giant bipedal robots and heavily armored-dense stormtroopers. So, despite everything, the Ewoks are essentially meant to be the key for the Rebel's sudden victory, while there should obviously be more to it than that -- Lucas, however, felt that itwasn't worth spending time on portraying in a sci-fi adventure back then.

 

Then again -- Jedi was but the first step in Star Wars' path to decline in quality. I still enjoy it though whenever it is on TV. Well, I kinda prefer the original but yeah.



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The only thing I really liked about Return of the Jedi was the first half hour with Jabba the Hutt.


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Originally, it was meant to be Wookies who'd have overthrown the Empire and not Ewoks -- Ewoks were a marketing ploy to sell merchandise to kids back then as opposed to noteworthy story additions.


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Jesus, I can't wait anymore for December...

 

Someone put me on carbonite.

 

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I half-hoped he'd stick to black.

Looks like Yoda's training included fashion tips...



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Whoa there! No need to get so defensive. Apologies if I brought offense, I didn't mean it personally (then again, I perhaps worded it a bit so).

 

I believe you missed my point that I wanted to put forward; which wasn't the complete dismissal of large scale battles, as opposed the over reliance on them just for the sake of it. You stated that "large scale battles" are a mandatory, while stating that Ep VII as so on should not go back to the battles in the OT, to which I disagreed on. As Vox Draco stated in page earlier, there is a reason as to why most of the OT's battles are more compelling than the ones in the PT's, since they put emphasis on several aspects rather than the battles themselves. Actual build up, stakes and characters at play, and so forth. A battle on a greater scale doesn't equal merit at all, just like how the Battle of Coruscant--despite being large in scale--is used as an auxiliary to push the narrative, instead of actually adding further emphasis on the battle itself (which has relied on Expanded Material to make it more compelling). Compare that to Battle of Hoth, which is considerably smaller, but still had a lot more focus on the conflict and made it a more compelling one.

 

A grand battle is always visually pleasing. It is a spectacle, but simply because we have "Wars" in the title, doesn't mean that it is a necessity. And yes, I will boil it down to "Michael Bay" level of a perspective, since it is a genuine fear that I have that Ep VII could easily fall into. Meaningless violence is a trap that could possibly happen, since just like you said; because the movie has "Wars" in it, it needs to "bring on the war". What I argue is to have a well thought out one, and not something done simply because of a reasoning like that. Ep VII can easily have something more minor in terms of battles as a nice first taste, and then have something more grandeur in Ep VIII, for example. As I stated earlier--depends of course how things are executed, but that is how I view the issue. If Ep VII starts out will a "blast" and gives us the biggest battle we have seen on the screen as of yet, which I can appreciate of course, but I wouldn't mind something minor. An no, when I talk about minor battles I don't mean a fight between a few individuals, but armed forces.

 

And I am not fooling anyone, size doesn't always matter :P

 

Heh that's a strange way to interpret my post but ok..

 

You really need to watch the OT again if you think those "battles" would hold up today in a movie labelled as an epic space fantasy.  

 

Battle of Yavin 4:  On screen it seemed like 6 rebels taking on an galactic super weapon manned by 10 people.  Great scene for it's time but ridiculous now. 

 

Battle of Hoth:  They had ALL of space to escape but they chose to run the blockade of 1 star destroyer....oh the rebels were surprised by 4 very large and slow moving mechanical death traps approaching on a flat tundra.

 

Battle of Endor:  Good space battle but ground assault...I don't think i need to elaborate here.

 

The point is the OT was great but let's not say everything was perfect and that we should just regurgitate what was done.  As a long time fan I'd like to be greedy. I want a compelling story with the grand spectacle and not have to argue about one diminishing the value of the other.  

 

Maybe you're too invested in the success of this movie. I don't have any fear of this movie being bad or becoming a mindless series of explosions and violence. I doubt the OT cast would be praising this movie if it were. Everything I've heard about it has been pretty positive.  

 

And no wars in a "Star Wars" movie? Do you not know how titles work? 


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#4557
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I agree that the OT is far from perfect & has many flaws. It was a part of my childhood memories, and, as such is under my protection.
So watch what you say, people.

*snap-hiss*

Hummmmmmm...
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#4558
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I think the battle of Hoth and Endor still hold up today.



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Kylo is Luke's son.

When in doubt, one can look at THE core themes of the films-

Destiny
The Skywalker Messiah complex.
Father and sons.

#4560
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No way. I am still pretty sure he's gonna be Han & Leias son. As is Daisy Ridley's character. I think having Luke have "baby -momma drama" wouldn't be consistent with his character. Whereas Han is a rogue.

Kylo (Adam Driver) will use this abandonment issue to fuel his rage & his hatred for Han and Luke. This will build up to an inevitable duel between Kylo and Luke, and/or with Luke's apprentice...
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I once thought that, but I think Kylo is Luke's. Ren is Leiah and Hans.

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mybudgee

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I once thought that, but I think Kylo is Luke's. Ren is Leiah and Hans.


If that's the case, who is Kylo's mother??

Leia? Mon Mothma? Shira Brie??

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If that's the case, who is Kylo's mother??

Leia? Mon Mothma? Shira Brie??

 

Mara Jade. Ohhhhhhhhhhh

 

That would be something to see



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If that's the case, who is Kylo's mother??
Leia? Mon Mothma? Shira Brie??


Jabba.
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Now I am bummed out about Mara Jade being deleted

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Now I am bummed out about Mara Jade being deleted

 

You can't really blame Disney for that, Lucas broke most of the things in the books when he made the PT lol. Plus Disney wanted it set at the originals actors ages for their characters return to send off the new cast. 

 

I just hope Disney has plans for returning some of the fan favorite EU characters, that extends to both after the OT and the Old Republic era



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I just hope Disney has plans for returning some of the fan favorite EU characters, that extends to both after the OT and the Old Republic era

 

They should have panted General Hux' skin just blue ... ^^

 

Speaking of him: So far, as mcuh as the mere appearance of the badguys goes, I have to say: I like them. Kylo Organa Ren, General Hux, of course Captain Phasma of Tarth, I really, really like what I see. And I just hope the last two are not simply throw-away-villains like Tarkin and Maul and Dooku and Grievous. I really don't want them to introduce new villains supporting Kylo every new movie. I guess if one villain will bite the dust it'll be Snoke with Kylo usurping his place. That name doesn't click with me anyway ^^ (Though maybe Serkis makes me rethink my opinion here, maybe Snoke's role is preciousssss to the movie...)

 

 

But for now even the often rather bland good-guys look kinda promising to me: Rey Solo, Finn Organa-Calrissian (^^), Edgar Poe Dameron-Antilles, I could see myself rooting for them. Merely judging from the pictures I still have a good feeling about all this...

 

 

Vox Draco's Star-Wars-quote of the day:

 

"It's over Anakin. I have the highground!"


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Saw some of the upcoming Lego sets for Force Awakens...

God-tier.
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#4569
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Kylo is Luke's son.

When in doubt, one can look at THE core themes of the films-

Destiny
The Skywalker Messiah complex.
Father and sons.

I'm thinking apprentice gone bad.



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Saw some of the upcoming Lego sets for Force Awakens...
God-tier.


Ah..... the memories I have when I was building a death star lego set.The feeling I had when I finally finished........Then my little brother and his friends destroyed it. That's when I realized something..... the Rebels are a bunch of little shits!

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new poster from d23

 

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new poster from d23
 
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Ha! I knew it! Finn is going to be a Jedi!!

Suck it, Samuel Jackson!

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Ha! I knew it! Finn is going to be a Jedi!!

Suck it, Samuel Jackson!

 

Yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious he'd be the Luke of this generation?


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#4574
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Yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious he'd be the Luke of this generation?


Also, is that Anakin's lightsaber that Finn is holding on to? The one Luke lost at Bespin? Looks like it

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Could be Obi-Wan's blade too