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[GreyLycanTrope]

I might be in the minority but I actually don't mind the idea of Chewy getting axed in principle, it could've been done better but if you keep the main cast untouchable forever there's little tension in the story.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I want to see a movie about Darth Bane starring Tom Hardy

God no. 

CrutchCricket already knows this, but I really don't care fore Darth Bane.

Your no fun

[GreyLycanTrope]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

It wasn't ignominious. He died in a badass way.

Seriously. It took an entire freaking moon to kill him.

And his character went full circle.

He died fulfilling his life-debt to Han, saving Han's life and that of Anakin.

Take it up with the author, though saying it took a moon to off him is a bit misleading. He was effectively killed by a falling rock.

[AresKeith]

J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I want to see a movie about Darth Bane starring Tom Hardy

I don't know about the Tom Hardy part but ditto on a Darth Bane movie.

You don't wanna see him say "Sith Rises"

Nobody saw the reference?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Greylycantrope wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

It wasn't ignominious. He died in a badass way.

Seriously. It took an entire freaking moon to kill him.

And his character went full circle.

He died fulfilling his life-debt to Han, saving Han's life and that of Anakin.

Take it up with the author, though saying it took a moon to off him is a bit misleading. He was effectively killed by a falling rock.

True enough. Though up to a few days ago that big rock was orbiting an even bigger rock. Both had people living on them.

Effectively, he was smashed by two big rocks.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 04 juillet 2013 - 03:41 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

AresKeith wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I want to see a movie about Darth Bane starring Tom Hardy

I don't know about the Tom Hardy part but ditto on a Darth Bane movie.

You don't wanna see him say "Sith Rises"

Nobody saw the reference?

Don't worry I got it

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Disney isn't going to have much choice but to drop the EU.

They would have to sacrifice too much of their potential income to include it.

In all likelihood, it will be pared down to "Lucasfim Canon." That would break down along the lines of:

Included:
The existing 6 Films
Canon TV Movies (The Ewoks Miniseries, but not the Star Wars Holiday Special)
Canon cartoons (Droids, Clone Wars)
Some Lucasfilm Games (Knights of the Old Republic, Shadows of the Empire, but not Force Unleashed)

Not included:
Any novels that were not directly-licensed Lucasfilm Adaptations
Comic books
Supplemental materials and Comics from the different RPGs

None of which matters much to me, personally, as I have long-since parted ways with the Star Wars Universe, and I recognize only the original versions of the first three films. Everything else is grey goo.

[AresKeith]

@Jer and Disney would end up pissing off one of the biggest communities

It's already bad enough Disney (another version of EA) owns them and Marvel

[Blarg]

I really want them to go with one of the following areas: The Great Hyperspace War, Darth Bane, Thrawn (especially Thrawn), or the Yuuzhan Vong (which I am no doubt spelling incorrectly).

And Thrawn should totally be played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

Modifié par blaaaaaaaaaarg, 04 juillet 2013 - 04:23 .

[Dextro Milk]

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

And Thrawn should totally be played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

Oh... My... God... <3

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Disney isn't going to have much choice but to drop the EU.

They would have to sacrifice too much of their potential income to include it.

In all likelihood, it will be pared down to "Lucasfim Canon." That would break down along the lines of:

Included:
The existing 6 Films
Canon TV Movies (The Ewoks Miniseries, but not the Star Wars Holiday Special)
Canon cartoons (Droids, Clone Wars)
Some Lucasfilm Games (Knights of the Old Republic, Shadows of the Empire, but not Force Unleashed)

Not included:
Any novels that were not directly-licensed Lucasfilm Adaptations
Comic books
Supplemental materials and Comics from the different RPGs

None of which matters much to me, personally, as I have long-since parted ways with the Star Wars Universe, and I recognize only the original versions of the first three films. Everything else is grey goo.

That's exactly what will happen. For you, that might be a good thing. For me, it will be a very bad thing. I don't know if they'll completely scrub the EU, or allow it to keep existing outside their movie canon, or whatever. I think the only thing they'll touch is the Post-Jedi EU.

The Force Unleashed is Lucas Canon. It was a very big project on the part of LucasArts, on the level of Shadows of the Empire.

For me, I absolutely adore the Expanded Universe, especially the Post-Jedi EU. I've read all the novels, even the bad ones, and it's why I'm so apprehensive of anything the movies could do.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

I really want them to go with one of the following areas: The Great Hyperspace War, Darth Bane, Thrawn (especially Thrawn), or the Yuuzhan Vong (which I am no doubt spelling incorrectly).

And Thrawn should totally be played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

I think they're going to stick with Post-Jedi EU. Too many people wouldn't care about the massive expanse of all the other prior stories. Most people want the core-trio only.

That said, I think Thrawn and the Vong War are going to be made non-canon. They won't fit J.J. Abrams vision, or that of Disney.

[Blarg]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I think they're going to stick with Post-Jedi EU. Too many people wouldn't care about the massive expanse of all the other prior stories. Most people want the core-trio only.

That said, I think Thrawn and the Vong War are going to be made non-canon. They won't fit J.J. Abrams vision, or that of Disney.

Yeah, I can see why they'd skip the Old Republic stuff. But Thrawn and the Vong work fine as post Jedi stuff, and both could be made into new trilogies with ease.

'Course, I'm also a bit biased, because I freakin' love the Imperial Remnant. Between Thrawn and Palleon...those two are just awesome.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I think they're going to stick with Post-Jedi EU. Too many people wouldn't care about the massive expanse of all the other prior stories. Most people want the core-trio only.

That said, I think Thrawn and the Vong War are going to be made non-canon. They won't fit J.J. Abrams vision, or that of Disney.

Yeah, I can see why they'd skip the Old Republic stuff. But Thrawn and the Vong work fine as post Jedi stuff, and both could be made into new trilogies with ease.

'Course, I'm also a bit biased, because I freakin' love the Imperial Remnant. Between Thrawn and Palleon...those two are just awesome.

I agree, but the problem is with such an exposition dump that they'd have to make for everything. It's unfeasible to add all of the information, or even a decent narrative, and expect the casual masses to like it, or even understand it. They'll more than likely make their own canon, with a few EU characters making an appearance. They've already confirmed that it will be an original story. 

The only hope I have is if they choose to run with the time period after FotJ and Crucible. The actors are all in that age group right there to make it fit. There's no way they can realistically do a film set in 10 or 20 ABY with the actors. But some things won't be accepted by the masses, namely the disappearance of Chewbacca. People are going to want to know where he's at.

[Dextro Milk]

I have faith in JJ. Also, looking forward to hearing Michael Giacchino's OST for it as well. Not sure if JJ will stick with him or have John Williams back for the main theme.

Shameless Michael Giacchino sample.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's exactly what will happen. For you, that might be a good thing. For me, it will be a very bad thing. I don't know if they'll completely scrub the EU, or allow it to keep existing outside their movie canon, or whatever. I think the only thing they'll touch is the Post-Jedi EU.

The Force Unleashed is Lucas Canon. It was a very big project on the part of LucasArts, on the level of Shadows of the Empire.

For me, I absolutely adore the Expanded Universe, especially the Post-Jedi EU. I've read all the novels, even the bad ones, and it's why I'm so apprehensive of anything the movies could do.

None of it is really "good" or "bad" for me, personally. As I mentioned before, for me, it's only the original versions of the first three movies that matter, and I'm content with that.

I don't know what will happen to the broader EU properties under Disney, but from a financial point of view, they will likely put at least a tempory hold on new licences, until the three planned films are released, anyway.

(It's not important, but i was pretty sure I read a statement from LucasArts saying that LucasFilm officially didn't recognize the two Force Unleashed games because they partly contradicted existing canon. I might have misunderstood what they meant, though, I've barely read any of the novels or comics.)

If I had to guess, I think Disney will do a better job caretaking the property than George Lucas did. What that means for fans of the EU, I don't know. If they were to include the EU as part of the new films' story, they would be limiting themselves to a minority of the potential audience, so that's largely a forgone conclusion. But as far as whether to keep the existing EU titles alive, or expand on them, it's hard to say.

If it were up to me, I'd separate them into two properties, owned by the same entity (DisneyCorp) and put one of the passionate caretakers of the EU in charge of that side of it, with the understanding that the movies will exist separately as the official film canon.

From there, I would essentially free the filmmakers up by telling them they only have to  respect the film canon, but have an EU consultant on hand to tweak any contradictions that can easily be fixed.

EDIT: (This last paragraph would indicate that, apparently, I'm still a little bitter over the prequels! )

All of that would be financially motivated. As a fan of the series what I would do is different: I would scrap everything, including the Ewoks movies and the Prequels. I'd hire Lawrence Kasdan (writer of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) to make Episodes 7-9, and tell him he only has to respect canon from the original three (4-6.)

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 04 juillet 2013 - 05:06 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

That's exactly what will happen. For you, that might be a good thing. For me, it will be a very bad thing. I don't know if they'll completely scrub the EU, or allow it to keep existing outside their movie canon, or whatever. I think the only thing they'll touch is the Post-Jedi EU.

The Force Unleashed is Lucas Canon. It was a very big project on the part of LucasArts, on the level of Shadows of the Empire.

For me, I absolutely adore the Expanded Universe, especially the Post-Jedi EU. I've read all the novels, even the bad ones, and it's why I'm so apprehensive of anything the movies could do.

None of it is really "good" or "bad" for me, personally. As I mentioned before, for me, it's only the original versions of the first three movies that matter, and I'm content with that.

I don't know what will happen to the broader EU properties under Disney, but from a financial point of view, they will likely put at least a tempory hold on new licences, until the three planned films are released, anyway.

(It's not important, but i was pretty sure I read a statement from LucasArts saying that LucasFilm officially didn't recognize the two Force Unleashed games because they partly contradicted existing canon. I might have misunderstood what they meant, though, I've barely read any of the novels or comics.)

If I had to guess, I think Disney will do a better job caretaking the property than George Lucas did. What that means for fans of the EU, I don't know. If they were to include the EU as part of the new films' story, they would be limiting themselves to a minority of the potential audience, so that's largely a forgone conclusion. But as far as whether to keep the existing EU titles alive, or expand on them, it's hard to say.

If it were up to me, I'd separate them into two properties, owned by the same entity (DisneyCorp) and put one of the passionate caretakers of the EU in charge of that side of it, with the understanding that the movies will exist separately as the official film canon.

From there, I would essentially free the filmmakers up by telling them they only have to  respect the film canon, but have an EU consultant on hand to tweak any contradictions that can easily be fixed.

All of that would be financially motivated. As a fan of the series what I would do is different: I would scrap everything, including the Ewoks movies and the Prequels. I'd hire Lawrence Kasdan (writer of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) to make Episodes 7-9, and tell him he only has to respect canon from the original three (4-6.)

That's actually how I envision what Disney would do. I'm sure they're aware of what's going on with the EU, but they're going to try and make something out of the films, because as you say, as much as I love the EU, it does limit them if they try to stick to it. The best thing to do would be to separate them, though Star Wars is not something that should have a separate canon. 

It's rather bittering to think of 20+ years of backstory into the SW universe suddenly just cast aside as meaningless non-canon. 

As long as the EU director is Leeland Chee, I'll be cool.

Lawrence Kasdan is alright, but he's alienated a lot of Star Wars fans of late for the last few years.

[Blarg]

Dextro Milk wrote...

I have faith in JJ. Also, looking forward to hearing Michael Giacchino's OST for it as well. Not sure if JJ will stick with him or have John Williams back for the main theme.

Shameless Michael Giacchino sample.

I honestly can't stand Williams' music. I'm not sure why. The only piece I really enjoy by him is the Sith Theme/Palpatine's Theme.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

I have faith in JJ. Also, looking forward to hearing Michael Giacchino's OST for it as well. Not sure if JJ will stick with him or have John Williams back for the main theme.

Shameless Michael Giacchino sample.

J.J. has stated that he will do everything in his power to get John Williams. 

That said, I don't really have faith in what they can do. I'm guessing that the films will take place around the FotJ era or after. It makes sense, what with the actors age and all, but there are a lot of things that will have to be explained to the masses that I think would just be easier to dismiss.

Chewbacca - people are going to want Chewbacca back. Unless Lowie and Lumpawaroo play a big role (and they explain Chewies death), they're going to bring him back. That immediately makes a huge portion of Han Solo's backstory non-canon and nullifies much of his character growth of late.

Mara Jade - Luke will have son, Ben, that will be around Luke's age at the time of the original trilogy. People are going to want to know who Ben's mother is, and they're not going to happy to learn that Luke was married and subsequently widowed to a woman who they never saw or heard of.

The Solo Twins and Anakin - People are going to want to see Han and Leia's children. They're not going to want to learn that two of them are dead, and that the surviving child is already an established Jedi Knight well on her way to Masterhood, who's married to the guy who's going to become the next Emperor of the Empire no less. They're going to want the hero's journey of the children. They're going to want to see Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin. They're not going to like that Anakin is already dead. They aren't going to like that Han and Leia's other son Jacen became the Dark Lord of the Sith before he too was killed.

See where I'm going? This is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Dextro Milk]

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

I have faith in JJ. Also, looking forward to hearing Michael Giacchino's OST for it as well. Not sure if JJ will stick with him or have John Williams back for the main theme.

Shameless Michael Giacchino sample.

I honestly can't stand Williams' music. I'm not sure why. The only piece I really enjoy by him is the Sith Theme/Palpatine's Theme.

I actually agree. His music doesn't really stand out to me.

I do hope JJ uses his resources like he did with Star Trek. Giacchino has my full support for the OST.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

I have faith in JJ. Also, looking forward to hearing Michael Giacchino's OST for it as well. Not sure if JJ will stick with him or have John Williams back for the main theme.

Shameless Michael Giacchino sample.

I honestly can't stand Williams' music. I'm not sure why. The only piece I really enjoy by him is the Sith Theme/Palpatine's Theme.

Please tell me that you're talking about the classical guitarist.

Otherwise...
There is something legitimately wrong with you. 

Nah, to each their own, but you are the first person I've ever heard of who didn't like John Williams.

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

I have faith in JJ. Also, looking forward to hearing Michael Giacchino's OST for it as well. Not sure if JJ will stick with him or have John Williams back for the main theme.

Shameless Michael Giacchino sample.

J.J. has stated that he will do everything in his power to get John Williams. 

Dang.

Is it wrong if I hope he doesn't get him? 


To be clear, I don't "hate" or dislike Williams, his music just doesn't hit me with emotion. The only one he did that even came close was this one.

Modifié par Dextro Milk, 04 juillet 2013 - 05:22 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

I have faith in JJ. Also, looking forward to hearing Michael Giacchino's OST for it as well. Not sure if JJ will stick with him or have John Williams back for the main theme.

Shameless Michael Giacchino sample.

J.J. has stated that he will do everything in his power to get John Williams. 

Dang.

Is it wrong if I hope he doesn't get him? 

Yes. Very wrong. 

I'll make an addendum to what I said before about Star Wars.

To make something Star Wars, there must be 3 things: The Force, the Jedi (though this one is somewhat excusable), and John Williams' music (or music based on his themes such as the games)

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

I have faith in JJ. Also, looking forward to hearing Michael Giacchino's OST for it as well. Not sure if JJ will stick with him or have John Williams back for the main theme.

Shameless Michael Giacchino sample.

J.J. has stated that he will do everything in his power to get John Williams. 

Dang.

Is it wrong if I hope he doesn't get him? 

Yes. Very wrong. 

I'll make an addendum to what I said before about Star Wars.

To make something Star Wars, there must be 3 things: The Force, the Jedi (though this one is somewhat excusable), and John Williams' music (or music based on his themes such as the games)

Heh, I mean, I like how Giacchino redid the Star Trek theme. It felt really good imo.