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1.- Second time Marvel tells what happens after Yavin (3 in total?). Hope they get Stan Sakai if they insist with the space rabbits.

2- Vader series could be interesting.

3.- Not interested, not a Leia fan.

4 - rest,- I´ll wait for reviews.

 

I´ve only seen 2 episodes of Rebels (the one with the tie and the one where C3PO channelled Jar Jar), not very impressed. Does it get better?



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Also Battlefront.

 

A Vader comic sounds awesome. Hope they include that story where he crash lands on a planet after Episode 4 and takes over a pack of Space-wolves.


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Kinda interesting...

 



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It's probably because the LOTR movies themselves are considered to be very good, whereas the prequels fail on almost every level, and everyone's acting seems like they just don't care. Though, I wouldn't say that Gimli comes close to the insidiousness that is Jar Jar. The character's stupidity and bumbling is cartoonish to the extreme for the setting.

 

As for Prometheus, I'm hard pressed to think that so many people were as invested in the Alien franchise as they would be in Star Wars, especially since the quadrilogy doesn't exactly have much in the way of high notes after Aliens.

 

Please..... Everything "bad" you find in the Prequels, you can easily find in Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings Trilogy.



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Like filming 90% or so of the films in a controlled Blue screen environment?

 

As overly CG'd as the Hobbit movies were, there were still sets for gods sake. And the original LOTR films barely have that problem at all.

You know what did have alot of Blue Screen work?

Peter Jacksons King Kong.

Which when making a movie about a 30 foot Gorilla is a tad necessary.

 

George just sat down in his chair chugging coffee, not wanting to do any work.


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INTERSTELLAR used a good balance of CGI and practical effects, combined with some great on location scenes, to make a generally convincing world. As opposed to say Guardians of the Galaxy (which is an awesome movie in all other respects) or the prequels, in which I can easily see how fake it all is.



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Even then Guardians used alot more sets.

Most shots in the prequels, were Blue Screened. Look at some of the making ofs for Attack or Revenge. It's a bunch of actors on a blue void while two cameras record the most boring, by the books, camera work in history.

 

And I'm not against CGI. I like CG it can be used in many great ways. I hate Blue/Green screen.

It always looks fake, which is why it needs to be used sparingly. Not made exclusively in the place of sets, or shooting on location.


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George Lucas unfortunately treated the prequels in much the same way as a guy who just got a new home theater. Maybe the first flick shown should be "the Godfather" or "Seven Samurai" rather than "Transformers 4"


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Remember that time it was rumored Zack Snyder was going to make a Spin-off that was just Seven Samurai with Jedi?


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Han's Trophy Wall. Credit to Nick Runge.


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He probably wonders how Peter Jackson and Ridley Scott got away with many of the things they´ve done, like turning Gimli into a Jar Jar clone, butchering half the rest of the cast into often innefective emos, or the retardness of Prometheus.

 

Ironically I liked the PT, something I can´t say of most franchises from the 70-80s that got continued later. Didn´t like the execution of some plot points, but I also had some issues with the OT and enjoyed it anyways. But how the former EU degenetated under Troy Denning´s guide was quite painful, lucky I knew when to quit.

 

I'm all for using hyperbole to stress a point, but this is just ridiculous. Gimli a Jar Jar clone? The rest of the cast being ineffective emos? Give me a break.

 

And Prometheus is not really a good example as that movie received plenty of well-deserved criticism (such is to be expected when your movie is written by Damon Lindelof). Yeah it was a hit with a lot of big movie critics and a financial success... but so were the Star Wars prequels.



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I'm all for using hyperbole to stress a point, but this is just ridiculous. Gimli a Jar Jar clone? The rest of the cast being ineffective emos? Give me a break.

 

And Prometheus is not really a good example as that movie received plenty of well-deserved criticism (such is to be expected when your movie is written by Damon Lindelof). Yeah it was a hit with a lot of big movie critics and a financial success... but so were the Star Wars prequels.

Humor done at the expense of character´s intelligence and dignity? Time and again and again? Check. Faramir taking Frodo cause daddy issues and then letting him go when he notes he´s almost a thrall of the Ring? Taking several men to suicide? Check. Strider refusing his heritage for no reason given, then accepting it still with no reason given (he didn´t need to become king to save the city, just the blade). Leaving Arwen because PJ decided to ignore Tolkien´s myths about death? (reducing Beren & Lucien to "she died" should have gotten him fired on the spot). Check. Denethor totally inneffectual? Treebeard not realizing half his forest had been wiped out? Refusing to act until then knowing what was going to happen? Well, he can´t even tell a hobbit is no orc by himself, so not very smart from the beginning. Gandalf the White nerfed?... And so on. 

 

Hyperbole my ***. TTT and RotK were painful to see to me. Such potential wasted like that, it looked like what LotR would have been written by Dragonlance authors.

 

And stop apologizing Scott for Prometheus, the script may have been Lindelof´s, but concepts were Scott´s, no idea why everybody keeps pretending otherwise. At least we dodged Engineer Jesus, unless he left it for the sequel. Maybe with the ostrich Alien as a bonus?

 

Otherwise, imho good CG only seems fake if you believe is CG, probably there are scenes people believe are CG that aren´t (got a friend who complained about the tigers in Gladiator for instance). You have much more freedom about what you can show, especially when down to earth isn´t a concern. Usually I do have problems with creatures and some stunts, CG doesn´t work very well to convey natural movements (nor does stop-motion), and things like the Alien are too organic for CG to convey it well. But for backgrounds is fine. Take a look at Boardwalk Empire.

 

BB-8 is no less stupid for being a prop.


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The main difference is Gimli is capable of being involved in the action, and is a pretty competent fighter.
Whereas Jar-Jar was a coward who only got by on sheer dumb luck. To the point where no one liked him, and got the job of being the sole reason the Emperor got all the power he needed to take over the galaxy.

The worst Gimli does is get drunk and fall down a few times. Jar-Jar can literally be linked as the root cause of the Jedi Holocaust.

Ostrich Alien? I know quite a bit about Prometheus in its Alien prequel days (Read the script, have the art book, etc). Never heard of the Ostrich Alien.
There was the Beluga Alien (Named for being an Albino, but otherwise was a pretty cool design) and the MegaMorph. So what are you talking about?

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And getting Strider down a cliff for saving him for trying to ride a horse into battle. And really, for all his faults, JJ could do no other thing than give Palps power, the alternative was letting Dracula roll over the Republic. But then in the 3D series he started getting characters actually killed or close by his natural clumsiness. So yeah, want him dead too. 

 

Alien DVD commentaries (quite good BTW). Scott coments he once saw a kind of wasp come out of a bug, and thought whether it would look different out of a different bug. So he applied it to the alien, and said born from an ostrich it would resemble one the same way the one from the movie resembled a human. I guess such an alien would kill victims from laughter. Also, LEGO genetics don´t mesh well in a setting that tried hard to be as down to earth as possible for a SF film. I think besides how fast the alien grew there wasn´t nothing that required much suspense of desbelief.

 

Still hoping against hope they´ll retcon A3, but no, they retcon Terminator 1& 2 instead. :(


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Even then Guardians used alot more sets.

Most shots in the prequels, were Blue Screened. Look at some of the making ofs for Attack or Revenge. It's a bunch of actors on a blue void while two cameras record the most boring, by the books, camera work in history.

 

And I'm not against CGI. I like CG it can be used in many great ways. I hate Blue/Green screen.

It always looks fake, which is why it needs to be used sparingly. Not made exclusively in the place of sets, or shooting on location.

 

Most shots? 

 

http://boards.thefor...s-etc.50017310/



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And getting Strider down a cliff for saving him for trying to ride a horse into battle. And really, for all his faults, JJ could do no other thing than give Palps power, the alternative was letting Dracula roll over the Republic. But then in the 3D series he started getting characters actually killed or close by his natural clumsiness. So yeah, want him dead too. 

 

Alien DVD commentaries (quite good BTW). Scott coments he once saw a kind of wasp come out of a bug, and thought whether it would look different out of a different bug. So he applied it to the alien, and said born from an ostrich it would resemble one the same way the one from the movie resembled a human. I guess such an alien would kill victims from laughter. Also, LEGO genetics don´t mesh well in a setting that tried hard to be as down to earth as possible for a SF film. I think besides how fast the alien grew there wasn´t nothing that required much suspense of desbelief.

 

Still hoping against hope they´ll retcon A3, but no, they retcon Terminator 1& 2 instead. :(

Really it was the Republics fault in general. Because to an extent you're right.

 

 

 

They didn't hold any kind of Vote of Non-confidence or anything, especially when Palpatine was making claims with limited evidence, and enacted a totalitarian regime and genocide of the Jedi.

 

A Republic has that ability. It's a democratic body. Considering all the politics Georgey boy shoved into the prequels he could've kept that in.

 

Oh, I didn't know that. Still though. Beluga Alien.

Awesome.

 

Phantom Menace had the problem the least. Which is why I cited Episode 2 and 3.

The problem was when they were doing this during dialogue scenes.

Shot. Reverse Shot. Boring camera work for wooden acting. But we'll make the background interesting!

I haven't been able to find the clips I was looking for.

But there's one where Mace Windu and Anakin are talking to each other in the stilted way the Prequels do dialogue.

And it's on a blue void, while two cameras follow them around and George is just lazily sitting on his directors chair drinking coffee.



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Even episode 2 and 3 had more practical effects than the OT. That entire thread I linked shows it.


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Really it was the Republics fault in general. Because to an extent you're right.

 

 

 

They didn't hold any kind of Vote of Non-confidence or anything, especially when Palpatine was making claims with limited evidence, and enacted a totalitarian regime and genocide of the Jedi.

 

A Republic has that ability. It's a democratic body. Considering all the politics Georgey boy shoved into the prequels he could've kept that in.

 

 

True, but it´s not like it hasn´t happenned in real life. Padmé sums it up perfectly with her reaction to the proclamation of the Empire. It´s kind of like Germany in the 30s, many knew where Hitler would be taking them before he won the lections, but most just didn´t or played along.

 

Odd thing, but I didn´t find most acting in the PT wooden (in original dialogue, calling spanish dubbing for Anakin for instance wooden would be a positive), just thought most characters usually didn´t exteriorize their emotions, until **** hit the fan. I also find Meer a much better and warm Shepard while Hale overacts, wonder if both things are related.



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True, but it´s not like it hasn´t happenned in real life. Padmé sums it up perfectly with her reaction to the proclamation of the Empire. It´s kind of like Germany in the 30s, many knew where Hitler would be taking them before he won the lections, but most just didn´t or played along.

 

Odd thing, but I didn´t find most acting in the PT wooden (in original dialogue, calling spanish dubbing for Anakin for instance wooden would be a positive), just thought most characters usually didn´t exteriorize their emotions, until **** hit the fan. I also find Meer a much better and warm Shepard while Hale overacts, wonder if both things are related.

Well it just feels like something was holding the performances back.

Samuel L Jackson wasn't allowed to play to his strength, Christensen was pretty stilted for a character supposed to be head strong and emotional, Portman was pretty subdued, McGregor was about the only person I felt was allowed to have anything fun with his performance (He snarks, makes one-liners, etc).

I dunno. It's weird.

 

Meer had his moments though...


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Humor done at the expense of character´s intelligence and dignity? Time and again and again? Check.... Strider refusing his heritage for no reason given, then accepting it still with no reason given (he didn´t need to become king to save the city, just the blade)... Gandalf the White nerfed?... And so on. 

 

This is unforgivable.

 

Also don't forget the "I am no man" scene... quite possibly the worst bit of pandering in modern cinema.

:wacko: 

RotK was FAR from perfect.


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Well it just feels like something was holding the performances back.

Samuel L Jackson wasn't allowed to play to his strength, Christensen was pretty stilted for a character supposed to be head strong and emotional, Portman was pretty subdued, McGregor was about the only person I felt was allowed to have anything fun with his performance (He snarks, makes one-liners, etc).

I dunno. It's weird.

 

Meer had his moments though...

I was sold on Meer in "I Remember Me", while I found Hale more angry than compasionate. She made a better Renegade though, but I played Paragon.

 

Funny about Christensen, I found him almost the opposite, too obvious his emotions were a bomb about to go off. Have to try watching AotC and Shattered Glass back to back and compare, as it´s usually agreed he was good in the latter. Agree about that they didn´t seem to be having fun, and going by the making ofs, at least Ewan didn´t because he got most of the talking to empty air. Lee on the other side said he´d worked in the past even against orange screens. Dennis Lawson said that back in the OT, shooting the fighter scenes wasn´t very fun for the actors. Which makes me wonder how they made them actor friendly this time around. 



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Denis Lawson is a d-bag



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Errrgh, I don't want to see that Battlefront logo again until we actually get some gameplay. Anything, just anything.



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New Tie Fighter leaked: http://indierevolver...-force-awakens/

 

Spoiler

 

 

Some things to note from the image:

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Just some things that I've been able to deduce due to the image.  

 

I think it's beautiful. 


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The Empire really kept up production considering both of they're leaders died in an exceptionally expensive Doomsday weapon that blue up.

 

Kudos.