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And while I admit that too much use of the Force would become daft after a while, the endless lightsaber fights are just as bad at times, especially when you consider how in the original trilogy most of the action was limited and it was usually a duel of wits between Obi-Wan and Vader and Luke and Vader? Most of it was trying to psyche each other out and used to further the narrative, instead of a five minutes of silent flynning while they stop for the odd quip as in the prequel trilogy?

What? OB1 vs Vader wasn´t even a duel, they barely exchanged blows before OB decided he was more useful dead. Calling ESB a duel is insulting Vader, he´s always in control, and in RotJ... there I agree the fight itself wasn´t the point, as until Luke goes berserk they aren´t really trying to kill each other. So really, OT duels never actually involve both fighters actually trying to kill the other one. PT ones did, it´s not like there was much to say until the Battle of the Heroes, where OB1 does wrong everything Luke does right 20thing years later. 

 

Personally I like when fights are silent if there´s really nothing to say between the rivals. Considering most of the time the bad guy ends losing, few can pull being arrogant and despising and so on and not end up looking like an idiot after the fight. Only one I can think of now is Freezer, and only because until Goku goes SS, he really is as superior as he thinks.

 

About old Jedi, why must things from the past always be more powerful? They have several millenia less of transmited knowledge, yet the magic sword from the past is always better than the ones in the present even when there´s no dark age in between. SW wise, it would be very sad if the main thing old Jedi transmited was the no love rule which always appears when they are about to be wiped out. Ayyway, I find TOR videos too animesque, even the non Force trained mooks can match a full trained sith. Please.

 

About using the Force to attack, to compare with more modern stories, it´s like the unforgivable curses from HP or magic in Dresden files. Doing nasty things require the "caster" to feel them. For a Jedi, that involves giving him/herself to negative emotions, which are the DS. Guys are pretty much screwed there, especially because they have given up positive emotions too. When Yoda fights Palpatine, and briefly gets the upper hand, Palps fear serves him, Yoda only has willpower, but he´s no Green Lantern.



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BTW, if PT was about a stagnant democracy falling and OT about deposing the evil empire that replaced it, should ST be about rebuilding proper democracy?

Indeed. Hopefully a bit more than that as well. I sincerely hope the new film will be more CHARACTER driven, less plot driven...

 

*glares at ep. 1 DVD*

 

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Stay away from Marvel and DC, ooc characters all the time to drive nonsensical plots.

But I'd say original SW was plot driven too, it was mostly Luke going through a gauntlet. He doesn't change much until the reveal. I hope with the EU reboot someone gets around to writing him between V and VI, Shadows of the Empire was very dissapointing in that regard. Frakking gary stu...

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Dat Bounty-Hunter-Cowboy hat...

 

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I was okay with it.

 

Han Solo is based on characters from Westerns. He's basically a cowboy in space. He acts and dresses like one (minus the hat) and his intro in A New Hope is a scene that seems like it came straight out of one of Clint Eastwood's Spaghetti Westerns. So SWTOR drawing on other Western influences for the smugglers or bounty hunters never really bothered me. Westerns were Lucas' influence for them too.


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Dat Bounty-Hunter-Cowboy hat...

 

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IS ****** AWESOME! 

 

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You know you want it  :D


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But I'd say original SW was plot driven too, it was mostly Luke going through a gauntlet. 

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IS ****** AWESOME! 

 

 

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You know you want it  :D

 

What is this? MALEDUCATION! THEY WANT TO RAISE AN EVEN PERVIER GENERATION!

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE LUCAS?!


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I liked that one a lot but I loved this one even more.

 

 

That was the best trailer they had for SWTOR. Sometimes I wish there had been a movie based on SWTOR as well.


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:blink:

Ep IV Luke was mostly thrown around by the plot as I saw it. Compare with Jedi, where the main plot proceeds as it does by what he chooses to do about Vader.



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Ep IV Luke was mostly thrown around by the plot as I saw it. Compare with Jedi, where the main plot proceeds as it does by what he chooses to do about Vader.

We must agree to disagree. Luke's character arc in ep. 4 - 6 were largely determined by WHO HE IS. That is; many of the changes that occur (becoming a "Jedi", going after Han, choosing mercy over vengance) with him are based on his choices.

 

In the prequels, almost ALL the main characters' decisions have to do with politics, or formalities/rules or following these guidelines. The only real example of personal rebellion is Anakin turning his back on the Jedi code, and then of course, the Jedi themselves.


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The only real example of personal rebellion is Anakin turning his back on the Jedi code, and then of course, the Jedi themselves.

 

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U wut m8?


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We must agree to disagree. Luke's character arc in ep. 4 - 6 were largely determined by WHO HE IS. That is; many of the changes that occur (becoming a "Jedi", going after Han, choosing mercy over vengance) with him are based on his choices.

In the prequels, almost ALL the main characters' decisions have to do with politics, or formalities/rules or following these guidelines. The only real example of personal rebellion is Anakin turning his back on the Jedi code, and then of course, the Jedi themselves.


Considering everything happens because QGJ is the way he is, I wouldn't say that. Anakin also chooses to become a Jedi. It's OB1's choice to be by the book. Maybe we understand plot/character driven differently. In IV Luke's first real choice is rescuing Leia in the DS, up until then he either follows or is overriden (the call knows where you live).
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Anyone also get confused when using the DS? I mean.. Dark Side, Death Star... :unsure:

 

Also, those trailer battles didn't even come into my mind, I had only the movies in Mind, but they were definetly good, and it showed real Lightsaber skills, not Coreography Skills.


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That move where Kao Cen Darach (the Zabrak Jedi Master) throws his lightsaber to block an attack against his padawan, is one I'd love to see in the films. 


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Not sure if this is good news...

 

http://www.gamespot....s/1100-6424939/



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That move where Kao Cen Darach (the Zabrak Jedi Master) throws his lightsaber to block an attack against his padawan, is one I'd love to see in the films.


That's the actual one that made me go "come on!". It's a really stupid move when your enemy also has tk, but as in all those videos fighting moves and results are more for show than sense. That one in particular wasn't still as bad as the bare hand lightsaber block for several seconds and the point blank grenade that didn't harm anybody.

And then there's what they did to Revan. Was there any point besides ruining kotor memories?
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Not sure if this is good news...

http://www.gamespot....s/1100-6424939/

It's only bad if it follows the footsteps of Battlefield 4 and Hardline and they release an unfinished game.
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Not sure if this is good news...

 

http://www.gamespot....s/1100-6424939/

I don't expect much.

 

I feel like DICE is going to ride the brand name to make a quick buck and is simply going to re-skin Battlefield.  <_<

 

They've already stated that this will be "their vision" of Battlefront and that the game will be in first person. 

 

The thing that makes me strongly believe that is the lack of footage or information about the game outside of a minuscule amount of concept art. I feel like the developers would have either shown something or have started giving out quite a few details by now if they actually had faith in their game and were proud of their work. The secrecy suggests to me that they know fans of the Battlefront franchise are going to be upset/mad/disappointed and that it'll work like Battlefield.

 

I hope I'm wrong, because this is one of the four or five games that I'm interested in, but I do not have high hopes for it.  :unsure:



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I don't expect much.

 

I feel like DICE is going to ride the brand name to make a quick buck and is simply going to re-skin Battlefield.  <_<

 

They've already stated that this will be "their vision" of Battlefront and that the game will be in first person. 

 

The thing that makes me strongly believe that is the lack of footage or information about the game outside of a minuscule amount of concept art. I feel like the developers would have either shown something or have started giving out quite a few details by now if they actually had faith in their game and were proud of their work. The secrecy suggests to me that they know fans of the Battlefront franchise are going to be upset/mad/disappointed and that it'll work like Battlefield.

 

I hope I'm wrong, because this is one of the four or five games that I'm interested in, but I do not have high hopes for it.  :unsure:

On most levels expect I Battlefront to be a reskinned Battlefield 4 but I would still buy it just to kill stormtroopers, rebels, ewoks, jawas and droids. The only thing that I dread is playing through a Hoth mission again.

 

I am guessing that one of the reasons DICE is keeping a lid on details is that It could have some sort of tie in to The Force Awakens.


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On most levels expect I Battlefront to be a reskinned Battlefield 4 but I would still buy it just to kill stormtroopers, rebels, ewoks, jawas and droids. The only thing that I dread is playing through a Hoth mission again.

 

I am guessing that one of the reasons DICE is keeping a lid on details is that It could have some sort of tie in to The Force Awakens.

I imagine this is the most plausible reason. If I've heard right they cut out being able to play as Clones and CIS, so I don't think it's beyond reason to speculate that they might have cut that aspect of the game in favor on focusing in more on traditional Rebels vs. Empire and whatever new 'This vs. This' the new trilogy brings.

 

Or the reason they've been so quiet about the whole thing is that the developers are working in a nightmare environment, who knows?


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I imagine this is the most plausible reason. If I've heard right they cut out being able to play as Clones and CIS, so I don't think it's beyond reason to speculate that they might have cut that aspect of the game in favor on focusing in more on traditional Rebels vs. Empire and whatever new 'This vs. This' the new trilogy brings.

 

Or the reason they've been so quiet about the whole thing is that the developers are working in a nightmare environment, who knows?

Well there goes all my enthusiasm.  <_<


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Well there goes all my enthusiasm.  <_<

https://www.youtube....h?v=1d-aWMQuoS4 this may help you get your enthusiasm back!



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Am I not smart? Getting casual games for my young brother, watching him playing them, instead of wasting my energy on them.

 

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Good games though.



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Yes Ashur, you are very, very smart...

 

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