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[Zetheria Tabris]

Morrigan could have found another Old God and used its soul to inhabit the body of another child she had. It's not impossible. Maybe that's what she was looking for in the Eluvian: more Old Gods.

[MadCat221]

Baelyn wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

FINE HERE wrote...

OGB is not canon. This has been mentioned several times in several places.

I have seen this statement so many times I cant hold my tongue any longer. The OGB is canon. IF you participated in creating him. The way people say it all the time makes others think it is irrelevant wether you have the OGB or not.

Exactly. This is taken from Gaider's blog concerning bringing Lelianna back:

Fan: “So you’re just ignoring my decision and bringing her back to life?"
Me: “It’s not ignored. It happened. That decision just didn’t have the result you expected."
Fan: “Well, I expected her to be dead!"
Me: “And yet."
Fan: “So you just get to decide what life and death means??"
Me: “Yes. That is, in fact, my job."
Fan: “How arrogant!!"

People just assume that because they decided something in the game, then it must equal what they assumed the result would be. They assumed that if they refused Morrigan's ritual that the OGB would never exist in any capacity. That is simply not true. People need to realize that as much choice is given us in these games, it doesn't make us God. Just like in real life when you make decisions you have no control over their consequences. You cannot determine what happens after the fact and out of your control. All you can decide is what you do. The same goes in these games. Ultimately it is the storytellers who decide what happens, not you as a player. They only give you choice in so much as an actual single person would have.

Well when we take her freakin head off , we usually assume that someone is well and truly dead.

Furthermore, Morrigan specifically states her ritual requires being impregnated by a not-too-long-tainted Gray Warden and be in proximity of an Archdemon being slain.  Unless Blight #6 happened in secret some time during DA2, I'm not seeing that combination of conditions coming up again.

If you didn;t do the Dark Ritual, there will be no OGB.  To have an OGB appear even if you didn't completely undermines the gravity of that choice.  It's like saying "Oop!  All is peachy keen between the Geth and Quarians despite Tali being exiled, Legion being dead, and Koris being dead!"

Modifié par MadCat221, 05 juillet 2013 - 07:17 .

[Wolfva2]

Well, there IS a very VERY easy way to keep Lelianna dead. Simply don't buy the next game. Problem solved!

[Baelyn]

MadCat221 wrote...

Well when we take her freakin head off , we usually assume that someone is well and truly dead.

Yea. Its not like she died in a chamber with known strong lyrium veins running under it or some ashes that have unknown power to heal and mend even beyond what magic can do....Oh wait...

Furthermore, Morrigan specifically states her ritual requires being impregnated by a not-too-long-tainted Gray Warden and be in proximity of an Archdemon being slain.  Unless Blight #6 happened in secret some time during DA2, I'm not seeing that combination of conditions coming up again.

If you didn;t do the Dark Ritual, there will be no OGB.  To have an OGB appear even if you didn't completely undermines the gravity of that choice.  It's like saying "Oop!  All is peachy keen between the Geth and Quarians despite Tali being exiled, Legion being dead, and Koris being dead!"

This does not mean that the same end can come about with something other than the Dark Ritual. Its not like the Old Gods only come about during a blight. They are there under the earth. Sleeping. Always.The Architect was actively looking for them. I'm not even saying that it has to be another child possessed by an Old God, but they have to deal with the gravity of that choice. You cannot introduce such a dramatic plot device and not deal with it. This much as been said by Gaider himself. He has even gone so far (when talking about the OGB) to warn people not to get too caught up in their head cannon and how they perceive events taken place after they make said choice.

[Boycott Bioware]

Baelyn wrote...
Because thats what they do. They manipulate and decieve. Yvanna tells us this much. Morrigan obviously doesn't want to show the Warden all her cards so this lie would be the easiest way to manipulate her/him to kill Flemeth. Especially since this was already a common folk tale among people, "the witch of the wilds" that used her daughters to stay immortally young."

"The best lies contain some truth."

I agree, at first, my in playthroughs my Wraden always kill Flemeth, but i realize that there is something not right

Warden may ask "Must it be her daughter or can be anyone else", Morrigan seems like trapped by that question, she cover it it up by telling about MAYBE this and that. If everything about the ritual is in the book, surely there is no "maybe" answers.

Morrigan even say "...you not really kill her anyway", so what is the point of killing Flemeth in the first place isn't it? lol Just let her die with her old weak body and keep on escape, if we kill her, isn't she can find new powerful body somewhere?

So, it is a lie, Morrigan is a liar

Edit : As for the reason why Flemeth sent her with the Warden, i can say that it just Flemeth want her daughter to experience the world and not just staying in the forest. It is Morrigan who want the baby, not Flemeth. She just manipulate the Warden using Flemeth name.

Modifié par Qistina, 05 juillet 2013 - 12:22 .

[Uccio]

I don't like the idea of OGB being the BigBadVillain. For all we know Morrigan intends to save Thedas from Flemeth with OGB's help. I don't like Chantry seeing as the "good guys" and Old Gods as "bad guys". Too christian view of world.

[Boycott Bioware]

I just like it like this

i. If save import having OGB - OGB will come as a character that show up in some part of the game handling things then vanish

ii. if save import have no OGB - the character is replaced by other character like Alistair replaced by that guy with mustache

[Rawgrim]

The prophecy says "when he rises". This doesn`t mean its the OGB. Could be anyone male.

[Zetheria Tabris]

Ukki wrote...

I don't like the idea of OGB being the BigBadVillain. For all we know Morrigan intends to save Thedas from Flemeth with OGB's help. I don't like Chantry seeing as the "good guys" and Old Gods as "bad guys". Too christian view of world.

Isn't the protagonist of DA: I on an employee of the Chantry? It would make sense for the player to be on their side at first, at least.

I'm sure there would be an option to side with the OGB. The Chantry has already been shown as corrupt in all Dragon Age media. Just because he would be the antagonist doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

[Zetheria Tabris]

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[Urazz]

MadCat221 wrote...

Well when we take her freakin head off , we usually assume that someone is well and truly dead.

Furthermore, Morrigan specifically states her ritual requires being impregnated by a not-too-long-tainted Gray Warden and be in proximity of an Archdemon being slain.  Unless Blight #6 happened in secret some time during DA2, I'm not seeing that combination of conditions coming up again.

If you didn;t do the Dark Ritual, there will be no OGB.  To have an OGB appear even if you didn't completely undermines the gravity of that choice.  It's like saying "Oop!  All is peachy keen between the Geth and Quarians despite Tali being exiled, Legion being dead, and Koris being dead!"

Well, when you learn that it was a combat mechanic that was used that is a roll of the dice on whether it gets chosen or not, is something you need to learn.  All the save game records is that Leliana was killed, not how she was killed.  Now if it happened in a scene or in game movie where it would happen no matter what you do then you would have a leg for your complaint to stand on.

I agree though about the OGB.  Unless Bioware decides to establish a canon set of choices for DA:O, then the OGB isn't going to be much of a character in the series.  At the most he is just going to be an optional companion.

[AlexanderCousland]

Zetheria Tabris wrote...

Ukki wrote...

I don't like the idea of OGB being the BigBadVillain. For all we know Morrigan intends to save Thedas from Flemeth with OGB's help. I don't like Chantry seeing as the "good guys" and Old Gods as "bad guys". Too christian view of world.

Isn't the protagonist of DA: I on an employee of the Chantry? It would make sense for the player to be on their side at first, at least.

I'm sure there would be an option to side with the OGB. The Chantry has already been shown as corrupt in all Dragon Age media. Just because he would be the antagonist doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

Just because your part of an Inquisition doesnt necessarily mean your employed by the Chantry or make you a Seeker, Im assmuing they will have Joinable factions of which will be included in the inquisition.  It's going to be interesting to see what happen's with the Religious part of DA, especially considering all we've (or i've) learned from THE WORLD OF THEDAS VOL.1 and UNTIL WE SLEEP.