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[lil yonce]

Obviously, there will be mages who disagree with Libertarians and their approach to gaining autonomy in DA3. So, who do you think will take up Wynne's mantle as the moderate Circle mage reformer? What kind of mage would you like to see do so (motivation, short and long term goals etc.)? How do you suspect they will carry out their agenda?

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 03 juillet 2013 - 07:32 .

[Tarek]

although I did like her, she does have a tendency to meddle, which was refreshing

[nebu187]

I personally would love to see Galyan from Dawn of the Seeker implemented at some stage, particularly in light of his history with Cassandra. He's a happy-go-lucky type of character much like Anders was in Awakening, minus the parochial bigotry and short-sightedness. The kind that you could picture being able to improve Mage-Templar relations through diplomacy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Probably just random mage or no one but in latter case events in Asunder would go in way different way that if she dies.If she is alive in asunder she may be replaced by Rhys in DAI but if we will play as pro mage i can imagine that we will able to affect on him to be more libertarian than aequitarian and vice versa.

[Mykel54]

Asunder is a really biased novel in the sense that it mostly shows the libertarian point of view, plus Wynne, maybe because that works best for the main events. There are no loyalists characters, and the references to them make them look irrelevant and powerless.

After Wynne died, the only other mage character i know with similar views may be circle bethany in the templar ending, but she would be in kirkwall, far from the action, and she has many different fates to play a important role. There is also pro-templar mage hawke, but that has similar problems.

I think it is more likely that Rhys could be persuaded to follow in her mother´s footsteps, judging how disillusioned he ended up in Asunder, otherwise we would need a new character to represent the loyal circle mage viewpoint.

[Xilizhra]

Obviously, there will be mages who disagree with Libertarians and their approach to gaining autonomy in DA3. So, who do you think will take up Wynne's mantle as the moderate Circle mage reformer? What kind of mage would you like to see do so (motivation, short and long term goals etc.)? How do you suspect they will carry out their agenda?

Wynne came to agree with the Libertarians in the end; her own faction, the Aequitarians, voted for secession. A replacement of her with be an Aequitarian and probably have similar goals to the rest of the fraternity, namely securing the survival of the mages by defeating the templars (the only realistic means possible).

Asunder is a really biased novel
in the sense that it mostly shows the libertarian point of view, plus
Wynne, maybe because that works best for the main events. There are no
loyalists characters, and the references to them make them look
irrelevant and powerless.

Because that's exactly what they are. Also, not terribly bright.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 03 juillet 2013 - 07:35 .

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...
Wynne came to agree with the Libertarians in the end;

I don't think so. 

her own faction, the Aequitarians, voted for secession.

And the Loyalists, Isolationists, and Lucrosians voted against it. And the mage who cast the deciding vote had been apart of the Libertarian fraternity hours before the decision was made.

A replacement of her with be an Aequitarian and probably have similar goals to the rest of the fraternity, namely securing the survival of the mages by defeating the templars (the only realistic means possible).

Opinion noted.

Mykel54 wrote...
Asunder is a really biased novel in the sense that it mostly shows the libertarian point of view

Totally agree. But, as you said, it likely had to be that way for plot purposes.

I think it is more likely that Rhys could be persuaded to follow in her mother´s footsteps, judging how disillusioned he ended up in Asunder

I think this is a possiblity. I dislike Rhys as I view him as a bad leader, and I would prefer someone else, but if he is the only option in this role, I would support him.

cosima wrote...
I personally would love to see Galyan from Dawn of the Seeker implemented at some stage

Yeah. I like Galyan too. I would like to see him show up in DA3.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 03 juillet 2013 - 08:00 .

[Xilizhra]

I don't think so.

She certainly fought on their side.

And the Loyalists, Isolationists, and Lucrosians voted against it. And the mage who cast the deciding vote had been apart of the Libertarian fraternity hours before the decision was made.

The Aequitarian vote was the only one that mattered, being the one of by far the largest mage fraternity. The Libertarians and Loyalists were obvious and the Lucrosians and Isolationists were tiny nonfactors. In any case, people are talking about an Aequitarian/Libertarian alliance forming as early as the mage origin in DAO; its time has come.

[TexasToast712]

 With the death of their leader I would imagine the Libertarians would lose all hope and join the mage rebels.

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...

She certainly fought on their side.

She wanted to save her son from Lambert. She did not take up the Libertarian crusade against the Circle.

The Aequitarian vote was the only one that mattered, being the one of by far the largest mage fraternity.

And it is heavily implied to be divided on the issue for several reasons. Rhys' vote should be under scrutiny.

The Libertarians and Loyalists were obvious and the Lucrosians and Isolationists were tiny nonfactors. In any case, people are talking about an Aequitarian/Libertarian alliance forming as early as the mage origin in DAO; its time has come.

And it was stated in the origin story that most Aequitarians wanted to stay aligned with the Loyalists. Opinions can evolve, but I suspect the Aequitarians who reject a Libertarian alliance for whatever reason did not disappear, and if presented with an alternative to Rhys would support a new leader. Perhaps even split completely from the Aequitarian fraternity, explore their options, and call for a new vote.

[Alex109222]

Finn. Mark my words.

[Xilizhra]

She wanted to save her son from Lambert. She did not take up the Libertarian crusade against the Circle.

Different motivations, same cause. She saw that the templars had gone too far.

And it is heavily implied to be divided on the issue for several reasons. Rhys' vote should be under scrutiny.

According to you. It seems unlikely that it actually will be.

And it was stated in the origin story that most Aequitarians wanted to stay aligned with the Loyalists. Opinions can evolve, but I suspect the Aequitarians who reject a Libertarian alliance for whatever reason did not disappear, and if presented with an alternative to Rhys would support a new leader. Perhaps even split completely from the Aequitarian fraternity, explore their options, and call for a new vote.

They didn't disappear, they changed their minds. And there's no point in voting now that the templars are trying to kill them all.

[lil yonce]

Filament wrote...
The one with a hole in her chest, thanks to her big sibling? 

You can prevent Meredith from slaying Bethany.

@Xilizhra; I disagree with everything you are saying. I think we are done. 

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 03 juillet 2013 - 09:28 .

[lil yonce]

Filament wrote...
What kind of hypocrite would do that?

I think you are making assumptions as to why someone would side with Meredith. And have you answered the questions in the OP?

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 03 juillet 2013 - 09:38 .

[Pride Demon]

Honestly, I'd love to have more direct contact with the two fraternities we saw the least of so far, namely the Lucrosians and Isolationists...

I mean Niall, for one, was kind of a cool dude and he sympathized with the Isolationists...

[Xilizhra]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Filament wrote...
What kind of hypocrite would do that?

I think you are making assumption as to why someone would side with Meredith. And have you answered the questions in the OP?

Well, certainly no one with an ounce of decency.

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...
Well, certainly no one with an ounce of decency.

Stop flamebaiting.

[Xilizhra]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Well, certainly no one with an ounce of decency.

Stop flamebaiting.

You have opinions about Rhys, I have opinions about templarHawke.

[Mykel54]

Filament wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

After Wynne died, the only other mage character i know with similar views may be circle bethany in the templar ending.

The one with a hole in her chest, thanks to her big sibling? 

She got better.

Also please stop hijacking this thread, this isn´t about mage vs templars, it is about what character may take Wynne´s old role as the spokesman (or spokeswoman) for the mages who want the circle system again.

Back in DAO Wynne was not a loyalist, she was an aequitarian, and her ethical use of magic was based on some personal code. The loyalists seem to be different, basing their actions more on religious moralism than on personal ethics. Unfortunately i don´t think we have seen a decent loyalist character yet, we only have the self hating female mage of DAO who wanted to die, which is hardly a good example. I actually think Bethany, being so religious, would be closer to the loyalists than the aequitarians in the reasoning for using magic responsibly.

[lil yonce]

Pride Demon wrote...

Honestly, I'd love to have more direct contact with the two fraternities we saw the least of so far, namely the Lucrosians and Isolationists...

Yes. I want to see a Lucrosian. We have yet to see a Lucrosian Enchanter.