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Why do some people have a problem with Leliana coming back to life?


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LobselVith8

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Nashimura wrote...

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It also contradicts some player belief that the Maker doesnt exist


You fact the ash worked should go at least some way to prove his existence


Oghren provides an explanation about the wall of lyrium effecting everything in the ruins of the temple, including the ashes.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 04 juillet 2013 - 05:32 .


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Wait, Leliana died? When?

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This isn't Dungeons & Dragons.  There is no Resurrection spell.  Death is not cheap.  That said, none of my Wardens were evil, so it's a moot point because Leliana never died.  *shrug*

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honestly.... BW brought Leliana back just get over that your choice didn't matter and deal with it

who knows maybe one of the cultist found her healed her and used her as slave until she broke out, is that good enough answer for you?

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

And there is no resurrection in the Dragon Age setting, period.


I assume you didn't read Asunder?
I won't say any more than that in case you still intend to.

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Blind2Society wrote...

Wait, Leliana died? When?


Leliana can die if The Warden pours dragon blood into the ashes, as she (and Wynne) will attempt to kill The Warden, along with the Guardian. All of them can die. Leliana's death is even mentioned in her codex entry, as well as the game files.

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TheRealJayDee wrote...

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As for people saying they chopped off her head, that too means nothing. It was a random game animation. Nothing more


Then these random animations need to stay the hell away from scenarios like this. A chopped off head is a chopped off head.


Yeah, in DA:I they should totally have you hit every enemy with the flat of your blade as a finishing move.
Y'know, just in case. ;)

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Could have been just the case she was just mortality wounded and was left for dead and managed to recover.

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Nightdragon8 wrote...
yes and the blood effected 100% of the ashes and none of teh ashes could have touched Leliana.. ever....

Do we know the numbers of how long it takes for Lyrium exposier to make someone crazy? I haven't seen any.

The only bit of ashes not effected by the blood were those you took with you to cure the Arl. You corrupt the rest, that's why every Andrastean is pissed at you. At no point have the ashes cured death anyways.

Doesn't have be long if the lyrium is raw as would be the case with a lyrium vain, the potions people drink are distilled versions, which take a prolonged time to instill negative effects because you're not drink 100% raw lyrium. Besides when has lyrium ever revived anyone?

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azarhal wrote...

And? We already have examples of dead people coming back to life in the setting. The 1st one was Wynne (she explain that she died in the Tower before you showed up). The concept was reused in Asunder with Evangeline and, technically, with Anders if he died in Awakening. These three were all saved by spirits. Then we have Flemeth who can put a piece of her soul in amulet and recreate her body. Shale shows that someone soul is all that is needed to keep someone alive as well. The setting is full of example of people cheating death through either immortality or "body jumping" too.

So tell me, why should Leliana be exempt of any of these? We don't know how it happened yet, but it's not like BioWare are twisting their own setting to make it happen.


Could it be that Leliana also has found a way to put a piece of her sould into an amulet? Or is bound by a spirit? like Wynne? If you have played Leliana's Sing, you'd get the tale of how she survived her time with Marjolaine in Orlais? But who is to say that she's been telling the truth all along? Did she really kill Marjolaine or was it the other way round? And did a spirit, like in Wynne's case, come to her rescue?

Another thing to ponder on is this:
Phylacteries....does someone know if having access to say person's phylactery can be used to bring a person back to life after that person has died, in this case Leliana? Also, you should rember this: Leliana is a bard. As I remember it, from DA2, bards do have an ability called 'feign death' - an ability to fake death so it appears that they are dead. This is to trick the attacker into thinking they are dead while they really aren't. Couldn't Leliana has done this sort of trickery on the Warden in DA:O? at the Sacred Urn.

ps: Apparently duct tape can now be used to put head backs on people's corpses/bodies -
at least in games ;)

Modifié par aries1001, 04 juillet 2013 - 06:38 .


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LobselVith8 wrote...

Nashimura wrote...

Catroi wrote...

It also contradicts some player belief that the Maker doesnt exist


You fact the ash worked should go at least some way to prove his existence


Oghren provides an explanation about the wall of lyrium effecting everything in the ruins of the temple, including the ashes.


Its a guess a theory at best not an explanation.

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aries1001 wrote...

Also, you should rember this: Leliana is a bard. As I remember it, from DA2, bards do have an ability called 'feign death' - an ability to fake death so it appears that they are dead. This is to trick the attacker into thinking they are dead while they really aren't. Couldn't Leliana has done this sort of trickery on the Warden in DA:O? at the Sacred Urn.

ps: Apparently duct tape can now be used to put head backs on people's corpses/bodies -
at least in games ;)


Rogue in DAO also had the feign death skill, it was part of Dirty Fighting (base rogue skills).  As for duct tape, Quentin didn't use any in DA2...

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Greylycantrope wrote...

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yes and the blood effected 100% of the ashes and none of teh ashes could have touched Leliana.. ever....

Do we know the numbers of how long it takes for Lyrium exposier to make someone crazy? I haven't seen any.

The only bit of ashes not effected by the blood were those you took with you to cure the Arl. You corrupt the rest, that's why every Andrastean is pissed at you. At no point have the ashes cured death anyways.

Doesn't have be long if the lyrium is raw as would be the case with a lyrium vain, the potions people drink are distilled versions, which take a prolonged time to instill negative effects because you're not drink 100% raw lyrium. Besides when has lyrium ever revived anyone?


???? Your the one that brought up Lyrium exposure not me??

So was the lyrium in the cave Raw? where is the codex that says it is,

Also where is the data that the blood effected 100% of the ashes,

Also did the Warden or any other member check to see if she was really dead and not passed out because of the pain... or you know faking it.

Also "Its magic" does it really need to be rationalized?

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 04 juillet 2013 - 07:14 .


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Why would Leliana instigate a fight only to feign death 1 minute later?

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Azaron Nightblade wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

And there is no resurrection in the Dragon Age setting, period.


I assume you didn't read Asunder?
I won't say any more than that in case you still intend to.


I assume he didn't play Dragon age 2. Flemeth:wizard:

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Bionuts wrote...

Why would Leliana instigate a fight only to feign death 1 minute later?

because she is sneaky... bard... you know. the question should be why wouldn't she.... cause you know, how the heck am sposed to know "what she is thinking"

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Bionuts wrote...

Why would Leliana instigate a fight only to feign death 1 minute later?


She saw she can't win. She crazy not stupid.

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aries1001 wrote...

azarhal wrote...

And? We already have examples of dead people coming back to life in the setting. The 1st one was Wynne (she explain that she died in the Tower before you showed up). The concept was reused in Asunder with Evangeline and, technically, with Anders if he died in Awakening. These three were all saved by spirits. Then we have Flemeth who can put a piece of her soul in amulet and recreate her body. Shale shows that someone soul is all that is needed to keep someone alive as well. The setting is full of example of people cheating death through either immortality or "body jumping" too.

So tell me, why should Leliana be exempt of any of these? We don't know how it happened yet, but it's not like BioWare are twisting their own setting to make it happen.


Could it be that Leliana also has found a way to put a piece of her sould into an amulet? Or is bound by a spirit? like Wynne? If you have played Leliana's Sing, you'd get the tale of how she survived her time with Marjolaine in Orlais? But who is to say that she's been telling the truth all along? Did she really kill Marjolaine or was it the other way round? And did a spirit, like in Wynne's case, come to her rescue?

Another thing to ponder on is this:
Phylacteries....does someone know if having access to say person's phylactery can be used to bring a person back to life after that person has died, in this case Leliana? Also, you should rember this: Leliana is a bard. As I remember it, from DA2, bards do have an ability called 'feign death' - an ability to fake death so it appears that they are dead. This is to trick the attacker into thinking they are dead while they really aren't. Couldn't Leliana has done this sort of trickery on the Warden in DA:O? at the Sacred Urn.

ps: Apparently duct tape can now be used to put head backs on people's corpses/bodies -
at least in games ;)


I thought that same way about faked her death but when you play as mage it's hard to fake death because when spell hits you = almost certain death , i rly doubt that leliana know flemeth secrets and she have to be a mage to do that probably and that she after marjolene incident don't leave chantry for 2 years even in chantry mention her and marjolene too and Bethany , Carver , Aveline and Hawke.Perhaps spirit of faith that possible there were others spirits but if she was dead spirit took control over her body entirely whitout her perhaps she barely alive when it happened as we know warden screw once when he wants kill oghren he is still alive in awakening and tells you that you only think you killed him.Maybe somone help her that quite possible Flemeth follow party in the form of animal that would explain how she know that morrigan want kill her.  

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...
as we know warden screw once when he wants kill oghren he is still alive in awakening and tells you that you only think you killed him.


There is the logical explanation.
All the Wardens that whacked Leliana are incompetents.
*flees the flaming wrath!*

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Killdren88 wrote...

Could have been just the case she was just mortality wounded and was left for dead and managed to recover.


From... decapitation? Although I suppose hey, it's a fantasy setting - perhaps mages make really great band-aids.

"Put this on the stump and give her plenty of rest, it'll soon grow back":wizard:

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addiction21 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Oghren provides an explanation about the wall of lyrium effecting everything in the ruins of the temple, including the ashes.


Its a guess a theory at best not an explanation.


Oghren's a dwarf who has a more informed knowledge of lyrium than anyone else in The Warden's company. He explains that the thick wall of lyrium is actively effecting everything in the temple, including Andraste's ashes. Oghren says: "The lyrium veins in these walls are richer and purer than any I've sensed in a while. It's doing things... changing this temple and everything in it."

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I like how people thought that their choices in videogames matter.

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Azaron Nightblade wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
as we know warden screw once when he wants kill oghren he is still alive in awakening and tells you that you only think you killed him.


There is the logical explanation.
All the Wardens that whacked Leliana are incompetents.
*flees the flaming wrath!*


Thats not mine explanation only bioware xD
Well warden in awakening go into obvious big trap in mines don't mention he went straight into zevran trap so warden have moments of incompetence too sadly even if you play him as magnificent bastard.Still better than Hawke in MoA. :o

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Gotholhorakh wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

Could have been just the case she was just mortality wounded and was left for dead and managed to recover.


From... decapitation? Although I suppose hey, it's a fantasy setting - perhaps mages make really great band-aids.

"Put this on the stump and give her plenty of rest, it'll soon grow back":wizard:

sigh and another round of "but she lost her bead" 

not real never happened not canon

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Nightdragon8 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

Could have been just the case she was just mortality wounded and was left for dead and managed to recover.


From... decapitation? Although I suppose hey, it's a fantasy setting - perhaps mages make really great band-aids.

"Put this on the stump and give her plenty of rest, it'll soon grow back":wizard:

sigh and another round of "but she lost her bead" 

not real never happened not canon


Yeah, yeah, I know. Still makes me smile that she got better from decapitation for some people, though.