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[David7204]

You did ask for this nonsense. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll get good content.

Modifié par David7204, 05 juillet 2013 - 11:06 .

[FlamingBoy]

David7204 wrote...

You did ask for this nonsense. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll get good content.

Putting words in my mouth, stop doing it.

I will not have what I asked from bioware twisted in a way that is untrue to only cover their asses.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

You did ask for this nonsense. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll get good content.

It's not nonsense what we asked for. You're excusing moral ambiguity as non-sense because you don't like it, and relating a bad narrative concept of the story to it to justify your opinion. Which you don't need to do. You can just say "I don't like moral ambiguity" without attaching it to something that isn't related to it.

Good content is entirely subjective. I think there is a big disconnect between what you and I (for just two people) define good content as. Obviously, we were both disappointed by the content we got, but you're limiting your idea of good content to what *you* think is good.

And trying to objectify your entirely subjective opinion while doing so.

Swinging the stick...

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 05 juillet 2013 - 11:19 .

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

You did ask for this nonsense. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll get good content.

I surely did not

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

You did ask for this nonsense. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll get good content.

I asked for an option to side with TIM<_<

[David7204]

Tell me, who here would consider the ending of ME 1 to be morally ambiguous?

Modifié par David7204, 05 juillet 2013 - 11:15 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

You did ask for this nonsense. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll get good content.

Err, I'm pretty sure I never asked for what happened in the ending

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Tell me, who here would consider the ending of ME 1 to be morally ambiguous?

Avoiding the question.  ME1 did not end on an ambiguous note at all.  It set up the needed preparations for war with the Reapers, that BioWare abandoned for a restart with Shepard.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Tell me, who here would consider the ending of ME 1 to be morally ambiguous?

Moving the goalpost...

[David7204]

What 'question' am I avoiding? Do you just pick these little phrases out of hat? Look up a list on Wikipedia and pick one at random?

Modifié par David7204, 05 juillet 2013 - 11:21 .

[FlamingBoy]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Tell me, who here would consider the ending of ME 1 to be morally ambiguous?

Moving the goalpost...

Its an effective tatics in speaking debates, unfortunetly on forums it is very easy to remember what is being said.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

What 'question' am I avoiding? Do you just pick these little phrases out of hat?

  Its a sombrero

[crimzontearz]

ambiguity ≠ speculative

in ME1 you can choose to sacrifice 10000 alien people including the council for the certainty of killing sovereign and saving human lives



THAT is ambiguous without pissing people off and taking away their emotional payoff. TYVM.


AND you still get called on it

[David7204]

You see, now that's avoiding the question right there. I could cut and paste the exact question here if I chose to.

[David7204]

crimzontearz wrote...

ambiguity ≠ speculative

in ME1 you can choose to sacrifice 10000 alien people including the council for the certainty of killing sovereign and saving human lives

THAT is ambiguous without pissing people off and taking away their emotional payoff. TYVM.

AND you still get called on it

Really? Steelcan here seems to disagree. Clearly, we don't have a consensus on what 'moral ambiguity' actually means.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

What 'question' am I avoiding? Do you just pick these little phrases out of hat? Look up a list on Wikipedia and pick one at random?

It's what you're doing. You're switching to something entirely different, using a different concept or event and falsely tying it into the argued topic.

You're using an inconsistant comparison, an incomplete comparison, the ignoratio elenchi (irrelevant conclusion), the mind projection fallacy (swinging the stick), and of course....

Moving the goalposts.

Not to mention you're hedging on your definition of ambiguity.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 05 juillet 2013 - 11:30 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

ambiguity ≠ speculative

in ME1 you can choose to sacrifice 10000 alien people including the council for the certainty of killing sovereign and saving human lives

THAT is ambiguous without pissing people off and taking away their emotional payoff. TYVM.

AND you still get called on it

Really? Steelcan here seems to disagree. Clearly, we don't have a consensus on what 'moral ambiguity' actually means.

Then don't hedge on it's definition David. Define it for us.

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

ambiguity ≠ speculative

in ME1 you can choose to sacrifice 10000 alien people including the council for the certainty of killing sovereign and saving human lives

THAT is ambiguous without pissing people off and taking away their emotional payoff. TYVM.

AND you still get called on it

Really? Steelcan here seems to disagree. Clearly, we don't have a consensus on what 'moral ambiguity' actually means.

I am fairly sure he agrees with me

[Steelcan]

What am I agreeing with David?

[Dextro Milk]

Steelcan wrote...

What am I agreeing with David?

Nothing... NOTHING. 

[FlamingBoy]

Steelcan wrote...

What am I agreeing with David?

That you look fantastic in a sombreo!

[David7204]

You said the ending of ME 1 isn't ambiguous. Crimzontearz says it is.

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

You said the ending of ME 1 isn't ambiguous. Crimzontearz says it is.

because he agrees with me that moral ambiguity ≠ speculative ending

[David7204]

He disagrees with you because he agrees with you, huh?

[Dextro Milk]

David7204 wrote...

He disagrees with you because he agrees with you, huh?

David, it is past your bed time.