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[FlamingBoy]

David7204 wrote...

That's ridiculous. It's not 'guesswork' at all. The story says the Catalyst is hidden on the Citadel, so that's how it is. The narrative is not obligated to provide a detailed explanation for every minute detail when a reasonable player can propose valid explanations themselves.

Your right, it is ridiculous, perhaps a unicorn with magic aborted babies allowed the catalyst to live undetected on the crucible,
why is this opinion correct
Because I don't KNOW!!! and since we don't know anything any idea is valid regardless of how farfetch it is, simply because the reapers are "advanced".

Hence I can avoid explanation and just continue my glorious story of the "Crucible and the Fairy Unicorn"


Once upon a time....

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 06 juillet 2013 - 02:12 .

[FlamingBoy]

David7204 wrote...

The hypocrisy of this forum is astounding. I think I'll make a thread addressing this issue later. The real reason players want the Reapers to remain unexplained.

To write a thread with such an arrogant title, you would need to develop an actual understanding on what people think.

[nos_astra]

David7204 wrote...
The hypocrisy of this forum is astounding. I think I'll make a thread addressing this issue later. The real reason players want the Reapers to remain unexplained.

Yay! Just what the forum has been waiting for. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dear David is now making an appeal to ridicule, or presenting other's arguments in a way that makes them appear ridiculous.

[FlamingBoy]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dear David is now making an appeal to ridicule, or presenting other's arguments in a way that makes them appear ridiculous.

To be be fair I just did the same thing

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

The hypocrisy of this forum is astounding. I think I'll make a thread addressing this issue later. The real reason players want the Reapers to remain unexplained.

I look forward to it 

[nos_astra]

FlamingBoy wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dear David is now making an appeal to ridicule, or presenting other's arguments in a way that makes them appear ridiculous.

To be be fair I just did the same thing

You're self-awareness is what sets you apart.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Shepard, the geth, and EDI dying while the rest of the galaxy is saved? That sounds to me exactly what you asked for. Sacrificing the few for the many?

  Sacrificing the one for the many is even better.

How about sacrifcing the many for the one?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Shepard, the geth, and EDI dying while the rest of the galaxy is saved? That sounds to me exactly what you asked for. Sacrificing the few for the many?

  Sacrificing the one for the many is even better.

How about sacrifcing the many for the one?

The many synthetics for the one Galactic civilization?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Shepard, the geth, and EDI dying while the rest of the galaxy is saved? That sounds to me exactly what you asked for. Sacrificing the few for the many?

  Sacrificing the one for the many is even better.

How about sacrifcing the many for the one?

The many synthetics for the one Galactic civilization?

Oh, I wasn't talking about the ending.

One that I'm sure a lot of people do: sacrifice Koris's crew for Koris (he actually has a pretty epic death if you don't).

I recently offed Kasumi in ME2 so I'd have to choose between Jondum Bau or Kahje. I chose Bau.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Shepard, the geth, and EDI dying while the rest of the galaxy is saved? That sounds to me exactly what you asked for. Sacrificing the few for the many?

  Sacrificing the one for the many is even better.

How about sacrifcing the many for the one?

The many synthetics for the one Galactic civilization?

Oh, I wasn't talking about the ending.

One that I'm sure a lot of people do: sacrifice Koris's crew for Koris (he actually has a pretty epic death if you don't).

I recently offed Kasumi in ME2 so I'd have to choose between Jondum Bau or Kahje. I chose Bau.

True. Sometimes one is more valuable to the fight than the many. Koris will do alone more good than his crew could ever do.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Yeah, I knew what was what in that scene though. Saved him anyway.

Agents who can save entire worlds are to be coveted, not sacrificed for the most irrelevant of them (Hanar? Pfft!).

And, per war-asset #s, the hanar navy is only worth a hair more than the Spectre squad anyway. LOL...

[liggy002]

This entire plot device cheapens the mysticism and appeal that the Reapers used to possess in ME1. This curious mystery was further enhanced in ME2. Then, ME3 hit, and we found out that the Reapers were nothing more than remote control airplanes under the guidance of an A.I.


Really? An A.I.? How ingenious! I wouldn't have guessed that one. The most disturbing part of this plot is not that it attempts to convince us that the Reapers are the good guys but that it actually confirms that to be the case at the end of the story. Seriously?

Modifié par liggy002, 06 juillet 2013 - 05:47 .

[AlanC9]

The only attraction a mystery has for me is seeing it solved.

And the Reapers are only the good guys if you think they were right. Do you?

Modifié par AlanC9, 06 juillet 2013 - 06:02 .

[KaiserShep]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Yeah, I knew what was what in that scene though. Saved him anyway.

Agents who can save entire worlds are to be coveted, not sacrificed for the most irrelevant of them (Hanar? Pfft!).

And, per war-asset #s, the hanar navy is only worth a hair more than the Spectre squad anyway. LOL...

This one does not appreciate your implication.

[MassEffect23]

One does not simply imply bad things on bioware forum

[Clips7]

What i don't understand ( and i haven't played the game in awhile) is why the catalyst felt he was saving organics by trying to destroy us. I get that it stated that if the cycle continued that synthetics would eventually destroy them so it was stopping the cycle.

As in stopping the advancement of organics before synthetics take over? But if the reapers ended up completing their mission, would anybody be around to start the cycle over again? My point is that, even if the reapers say destroyed everything and there was some survivors...the world that still left behind still had somewhat advanced equipment...so it was just delaying what it thought it was set out to accomplish.

And on the flip side of that, if they actually killed everything and everybody in the universe, then the cycle would stop completely...so it came off as if the AI had a flaw in it's programming and you came along to help make a decision for it. I think they tried to come off with a very original twist and throw everybody off, but i'm not sure it worked.

It might've been better if they would've went the old cliche` plot? as in " we synthetics felt organics was a germ in the galaxy that needed cleansing" we will run the galaxy with 100% efficiency and not the flaws related to organics or something along those lines. The super complicated beings that bioware was trying to portray might've been been great if executed properly, but i don' think it turned out that way...

[Xenite]

Let's be honest, story development wise Mass Effect 3 was a complete mess. The entire game of Mass Effect 2 is setting up the clear dark matter storyline, from start to finish.

In three they seem to have been moving away from that direction, and it's fairly obvious for a long time Shepard was going to be indoctrinated. Theirs simply to many story elements left in the game that point towards this and dozens of videos have pointed them out, they aren't happenstance.

In the end the game was clearly rushed, the story completely breaks down into this nonsensical tripe that you can tell was put together piecemeal. It's the epitome of deus ex machina which is what less talented writers use when they simply have nothing better to offer.

[KaiserShep]

The dark matter plot was not going to end well (and didn't make sense either), so I can see why they abandoned it. It's just too bad that it had to be explored at all and then completely forgotten. I would've been satisfied with the reapers simply being a race of parasites that feed off of the galaxy to propagate themselves. I mean really, that's all they end up being anyway. All this gobbledegook about inevitable repetition of history in each cycle was unnecessary. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 juillet 2013 - 11:34 .

[shodiswe]

I'm not too fond of how he/it takes over the show completely. All drama is lost, coudln't they have figured out a more interesting way to deliver the options?

Catalyst and reapers havign a say is ok, but they somehow got a monopoly on the solutions. Which isn't the most entertaining thought or dramatic presentation with one person holding a long lecture.

[o Ventus]

KaiserShep wrote...

The dark matter plot was not going to end well (and didn't make sense either), so I can see why they abandoned it. It's just too bad that it had to be explored at all and then completely forgotten. I would've been satisfied with the reapers simply being a race of parasites that feed off of the galaxy to propagate themselves. I mean really, that's all they end up being anyway. All this gobbledegook about inevitable repetition of history in each cycle was unnecessary. 

It at least has narrative basis (that are unaffected by Shepard's intervention), unlike the Catalyst's claims. That gives it a leg up on the current plot, no matter how small.

[schebobo]

Strangely enough I never found the reapers frightening or gave them the proper respect that a giant all consuming cuttlefish should be given. I can't really put a finger on it but from the very first convo with a reaper in ME1 I was already more annoyed with them than I was frightened or intrigued by them.Maybe it was their arrogance or ****iness coupled with what I suspected was an idiotic reason for doing what they were doing.

It kind of felt like an elephant telling an ant how useless and weak it is in comparison for no apparent reason other than "I am so amazing you don't even understand and therefore I am here to kill you." I also sensed a hint of self righteousness from Sovereign and for me there is nothing, NOTHING worse than a villain that is self righteous.

[ruggly]

Clips7 wrote...

What i don't understand ( and i haven't played the game in awhile) is why the catalyst felt he was saving organics by trying to destroy us. I get that it stated that if the cycle continued that synthetics would eventually destroy them so it was stopping the cycle.

Except that it doesn't see it as destroying organics.  From it's point of view, it's preserving our (and I loathe this term) "essence" in Reapers.  So the culture and history isn't truly lost, just the individuals who made up those people. Problem is, we like to keep our individual forms. So from our point of view, yes, we see it as destruction and murder.