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[remydat]

o Ventus wrote...

Shepard didn't even try to help that kid. All Shepard did was say "come with me", to which the kid said no and crawled away. That child died because he was stupid. I'm not going to feel bad for somebody whom I have no emotional connection to, after they die solely because they didn't listen to me.

Isn't this precisely the point.  The Reapers were here and instead of dragging the dumb kid out of the vent, Shep left the kid to die.  The kid most likely ends up on the other transport because some other soldier did what adults are suppose to do when confronted by dumb kids.  Ignore their being stupid and protect them.  That is kid of the reason why adults look after kids until such time that we are comfortable they no longer routinely make stupid decisions.

The fact that apparently you can't feel bad because a scared 10 year old whose planet was just invaded by space squids was not thinking straight is a bit odd.  "OMG, a 10 year old didn't listen, let the mofo burn."

Modifié par remydat, 04 juillet 2013 - 03:35 .

[Dubozz]

I hate starbrat concept cos he turns ME in some kind of space magic bull**** story and undermines everything previously stated in the setting (thanks mac and casey). Also child appearance is literally the worst idea bioware could come up with. Combined with confusion about 3 colored bs and "F*** you , you can't win, now go die in colored explosion, oh yeah nothing you did before matter" dialogue that makes no sence, ending definitely creates unforgettable experience. The one you want in the end of your game. Oh yeah, almost forgot about "BUY DLC" message.

Modifié par Dubozz, 04 juillet 2013 - 04:21 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Steelcan wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Singularity is when all synthetic minds are connected no? Synthesis bring about Singularity, the Reapers are not united, they are "I" not "We"

I'm referring more to the general concept of synthetics surpassing organics, such that they can destroy them all on a whim.

Which the Catalyst/Reapers are.

  nope



"You exist because we allow it, you will die because we demand it"

'Never said they can't possibly be overcome. 

[Bill Casey]

JamesFaith wrote...

And I agree with toxic environment on BSN last year.

Bioware dumped nuclear waste on everyone...
Now they're environmentalists...


It's clearly our fault for not liking a war crime justification message and racist themes...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 04 juillet 2013 - 06:37 .

[crimzontearz]

Bill Casey wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

And I agree with toxic environment on BSN last year.

Bioware dumped nuclear waste on everyone...
Now they're environmentalists...


It's clearly our fault for not liking a war crime justification message and racist themes...

it was our fault for not smiling and calling the toxic waste organic fertilizer

[Cheviot]

Bill Casey wrote...
It's clearly our fault for not liking a war crime justification message and racist themes...

I think you're thinking of the wrong series.  This is a forum about Mass Effect, a series that from beginning to end repeatedly suggested that great things can be achieved when different species work together.  And it doesn't justify war crimes, either.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

crimzontearz wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

And I agree with toxic environment on BSN last year.

Bioware dumped nuclear waste on everyone...
Now they're environmentalists...


It's clearly our fault for not liking a war crime justification message and racist themes...

it was our fault for not smiling and calling the toxic waste organic fertilizer

BSN has been considered toxic since well before ME3's release.

Fighting over the ending has simply replaced fighting over other decisions.

I know this because I was there.

[crimzontearz]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

And I agree with toxic environment on BSN last year.

Bioware dumped nuclear waste on everyone...
Now they're environmentalists...


It's clearly our fault for not liking a war crime justification message and racist themes...

it was our fault for not smiling and calling the toxic waste organic fertilizer

BSN has been considered toxic since well before ME3's release.

Fighting over the ending has simply replaced fighting over other decisions.

I know this because I was there.

I was here too and no it was not like this

[teh DRUMPf!!]

crimzontearz wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

And I agree with toxic environment on BSN last year.

Bioware dumped nuclear waste on everyone...
Now they're environmentalists...


It's clearly our fault for not liking a war crime justification message and racist themes...

it was our fault for not smiling and calling the toxic waste organic fertilizer

BSN has been considered toxic since well before ME3's release.

Fighting over the ending has simply replaced fighting over other decisions.

I know this because I was there.

I was here too and no it was not like this

Obviously the ending is more controversial and thus the fighting is more intense, but it was still "toxic" before that.

We simply have something else to fight about, but there's always fighting here. The BSN carries notority.

I don't remember seeing you around in the ME3 pre-release stage -- that was nasty.


*edit*

It's toxic because the purists never shut up about changes they don't like: http://social.biowar...m/forum/1/topic

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 04 juillet 2013 - 07:37 .

[crimzontearz]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

And I agree with toxic environment on BSN last year.

Bioware dumped nuclear waste on everyone...
Now they're environmentalists...


It's clearly our fault for not liking a war crime justification message and racist themes...

it was our fault for not smiling and calling the toxic waste organic fertilizer

BSN has been considered toxic since well before ME3's release.

Fighting over the ending has simply replaced fighting over other decisions.

I know this because I was there.

I was here too and no it was not like this

Obviously the ending is more controversial and thus the fighting is more intense, but it was still "toxic" before that.

We simply have something else to fight about, but there's always fighting here. The BSN carries notority.

I don't remember seeing you around in the ME3 pre-release stage -- that was nasty.

uh.....I was the guy who pre release got statements about hidden endings and EMS failure from the devs....I was DEFINITELY here during the nastiest part when the space edition was datamined

also the choice arguments were amongst ourselves while we praised bioware for giving us such compelling games and characters. NOW we fight amongst ourselves and RESENT bioware

see the difference?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Ah, just missed my edit....

HYR 2.0 wrote...

*edit*

It's toxic because the purists never shut up about changes they don't like: http://social.biowar...m/forum/1/topic

Note that this concerns issues that predate ME3.

[Chala]

crimzontearz wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

And I agree with toxic environment on BSN last year.

Bioware dumped nuclear waste on everyone...
Now they're environmentalists...


It's clearly our fault for not liking a war crime justification message and racist themes...

it was our fault for not smiling and calling the toxic waste organic fertilizer

BSN has been considered toxic since well before ME3's release.

Fighting over the ending has simply replaced fighting over other decisions.

I know this because I was there.

I was here too and no it was not like this

Obviously the ending is more controversial and thus the fighting is more intense, but it was still "toxic" before that.

We simply have something else to fight about, but there's always fighting here. The BSN carries notority.

I don't remember seeing you around in the ME3 pre-release stage -- that was nasty.

uh.....I was the guy who pre release got statements about hidden endings and EMS failure from the devs....I was DEFINITELY here during the nastiest part when the space edition was datamined

also the choice arguments were amongst ourselves while we praised bioware for giving us such compelling games and characters. NOW we fight amongst ourselves and RESENT bioware

see the difference?

I agree with Crimzon, back there there was fight (It's a constant in the BSN ), but now there's real hate, the kind of hate that doesn't make you stay and watch.
This is the reason why I've stayed away from almost all forum sections (Except with MP and the twitter thread) for a very long time.

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 04 juillet 2013 - 07:50 .

[Nole]

MP Forum is heaven.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I love how you admit we now "fight amongst ourselves" as if that's okay, because bad endan.

Not like we're, you know, mature adults that are responsible for our own actions.

That kind of post just goes to show what kind of people post here. And if you were here from before, well...

Also telling how these same people are the quickest to deny that the forums are "toxic." Gotta love the accountability.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 04 juillet 2013 - 07:48 .

[crimzontearz]

uh....gaider being Gaider...did he not apologize afterward admitt some shortcomings

[AlanC9]

I saw hate just about as intense as this for the NWN OC. It comes and goes on the BioBoards.

The main difference is that NWN had built-in damage control, since people drifted away to play mods.

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 juillet 2013 - 07:49 .

[crimzontearz]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 I love how you admit we now "fight amongst ourselves" as if that's okay, because bad endan.

Not like we're, you know, mature adults that are responsible for our own actions.

That kind of post just goes to show what kind of people post here. And if you were here from before, well...

Also telling how these same people are the quickest to deny that the forums are "toxic." Gotta love the accountability.

you do not see the difference? Really?

"omg you monster you killed the rachni queen"
"pfft you moron are gonna cry when she allies with the reapers in ME3"
"haha I have 112355445 saves...half of them have her alive I am all set"


this was the kinda fight we had before....while EVERYONE waited for the next game or piece of DLC (OK...there were less pleasant ones about devolving mechanics)

[Bakgrind]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Ah, just missed my edit....

HYR 2.0 wrote...

*edit*

It's toxic because the purists never shut up about changes they don't like: http://social.biowar...m/forum/1/topic

Note that this concerns issues that predate ME3.

I'm not trying to say anything but,  neither the article nor the post about the toxic enviroment predated ME 3 at all that I can see.  The link in the post was dated  1/10/13 while the post itself shows it to be made 6 months ago. Though I can't myself say how these forums were prior due to the fact that I never had  a desire nor a reason to visit them until after ME 3 was released .

Modifié par Bakgrind, 04 juillet 2013 - 08:37 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

crimzontearz wrote...

you do not see the difference? Really?

"omg you monster you killed the rachni queen"
"pfft you moron are gonna cry when she allies with the reapers in ME3"
"haha I have 112355445 saves...half of them have her alive I am all set"


this was the kinda fight we had before....while EVERYONE waited for the next game or piece of DLC (OK...there were less pleasant ones about devolving mechanics)

Selective memory at it's finest.

Let me tell you a tale of the Cerberus Defense Force (The "CDF"), a bunch of pro-Cerberus zealots who used to post around here in the pre-release period. They engaged in these inocuous fights you mention... until the script on ME3 leaked. Angered at the treatment of their precious Cerberus/TIM in the next game, they started littering threads with their vitriol and hostility towards other posters and BW alike, and this eventually lead to the mods closing their headquarters on BSN: the TIM support-thread in Character/Romance Forums. Since ME3 released, they just stopped caring.

Next we have the civil war between Miranda fans that got the Character Forums closed. They moved to groups.

Now we have ending battles that consist of rabid fanboy vitriol between both sides. One group that formed as a result of this (IT) was so out-of-hand that they've been banned from the discussion. Noticing a trend here? Again, this vitriol is a bit more intense than those of late, but it's merely a replacement to the "toxicity" that BSN has been otherwise known for, and for which this place carries such a poor reputation across the whole damn internet!!

BSN, where voicing an opinion against the grain gets you called a "troll." Pathetic.


And my main point with the post you quoted is... blaming BioWare on this fan-vs-fan vitriol is the definition of immaturity. If you're 18 or above, you're legally considered an adult. Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for your own actions. And these people who are quickest to deny that the forums are toxic -- they don't want to claim any responsibility for said toxicity (nobody accused them directly, but they're curiously quick to assume they're implicated.... hmmm....), but rather blame everything on "big bad Bioware."

I'm not accusing you directly, crimzontears, but these vitriolic posters know who they are (who got this ball rolling?)

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 04 juillet 2013 - 08:39 .

[Bill Casey]

Cheviot wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...
It's clearly our fault for not liking a war crime justification message and racist themes...

I think you're thinking of the wrong series.  This is a forum about Mass Effect, a series that from beginning to end repeatedly suggested that great things can be achieved when different species work together.  And it doesn't justify war crimes, either.

Until the ending, where it said synthetics will kill all organics. No we can't get along...
Commit genocide on your allies, slavery on your enemies, or forcibly experiment on everyone to stop it...

The actions and motives are way too similar to Germany in the 1940s...
Back when they were engaging in genocide, slavery and human experimentation to stop the Jews from taking over the world...

The whole thing is just plain sick...
It's so completely un-Mass Effect...
It's universe destroying...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 04 juillet 2013 - 08:57 .

[crimzontearz]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

you do not see the difference? Really?

"omg you monster you killed the rachni queen"
"pfft you moron are gonna cry when she allies with the reapers in ME3"
"haha I have 112355445 saves...half of them have her alive I am all set"


this was the kinda fight we had before....while EVERYONE waited for the next game or piece of DLC (OK...there were less pleasant ones about devolving mechanics)

Selective memory at it's finest.

Let me tell you a tale of the Cerberus Defense Force (The "CDF"), a bunch of pro-Cerberus zealots who used to post around here in the pre-release period. They engaged in these inocuous fights you mention... until the script on ME3 leaked. Angered at the treatment of their precious Cerberus/TIM in the next game, they started littering threads with their vitriol and hostility towards other posters and BW alike, and this eventually lead to the mods closing their headquarters on BSN: the TIM support-thread in Character/Romance Forums. Since ME3 released, they just stopped caring.

Next we have the civil war between Miranda fans that got the Character Forums closed. They moved to groups.

Now we have ending battles that consist of rabid fanboy vitriol between both sides. One group that formed as a result of this (IT) was so out-of-hand that they've been banned from the discussion. Noticing a trend here? Again, this vitriol is a bit more intense than those of late, but it's merely a replacement to the "toxicity" that BSN has been otherwise known for, and for which this place carries such a poor reputation across the whole damn internet!!

BSN, where voicing an opinion against the grain gets you called a "troll." Pathetic.


And my main point with the post you quoted is... blaming BioWare on this fan-vs-fan vitriol is the definition of immaturity. If you're 18 or above, you're legally considered an adult. Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for your own actions. And these people who are quickest to deny that the forums are toxic -- they don't want to claim any responsibility for said toxicity (nobody accused them directly, but they're curiously quick to assume they're implicated.... hmmm....), but rather blame everything on "big bad Bioware."

I'm not accusing you directly, crimzontears, but these vitriolic posters know who they are (who got this ball rolling?)

I know all of the (minus the romance forum stuff....I never went there) but I have no issue with the vitriol between members (if they want to fight amongst each other while wevall enjoy the game who cares) my problem is that after ME3 there is vitriol between users and a SEA OF RESENTMENT for bioware.....while Bioware seems not to give a crap while resenting us for resenting them because we did not like their art or their handling of our reaction

and I am sorry but I blame Bioware for most of it

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

"The Rachni will play a huge role in ME3."

Okay. So, they played a role. Certainly not on my side. 100 points. I got to shoot Rachni husks mostly.

[Nole]

Why would Bioware care for those who do nothing else but insult them?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

^ That.

crimzontearz wrote...

I know all of the (minus the romance forum stuff....I never went there) but I have no issue with the vitriol between members (if they want to fight amongst each other while wevall enjoy the game who cares) my problem is that after ME3 there is vitriol between users and a SEA OF RESENTMENT for bioware.....while Bioware seems not to give a crap while resenting us for resenting them because we did not like their art or their handling of our reaction

and I am sorry but I blame Bioware for most of it

BioWare not wanting to deal with emotionally-charged ranting/raving over first-world problems ("wahhh, my video gaem haz bad endan") is more than understandable. If fans around here were rational, then there'd be no excuse for ignoring us.

As is...

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 04 juillet 2013 - 09:03 .

[crimzontearz]

WittingEight65 wrote...

Why would Bioware care for those who do nothing else but insult them?

I was one of their biggest supporters.....so were many other.....and we were veiledly told we were too dumb to understand the ending


we were told we were unimaginative for not realizing DA2 had a short dev cycle because of the awesome tech and people at Bioware even when people working on it outside of bioware said the game was a cash grab rushjob

so uhm.....they care about no one but Washington, Lincoln and Franklin? that's OK then.....