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[crimzontearz]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

^ That.

crimzontearz wrote...

I know all of the (minus the romance forum stuff....I never went there) but I have no issue with the vitriol between members (if they want to fight amongst each other while wevall enjoy the game who cares) my problem is that after ME3 there is vitriol between users and a SEA OF RESENTMENT for bioware.....while Bioware seems not to give a crap while resenting us for resenting them because we did not like their art or their handling of our reaction

and I am sorry but I blame Bioware for most of it

BioWare not wanting to deal with emotionally-charged ranting/raving over first-world problems ("wahhh, my video gaem haz bad endan") is more than understandable. If fans around here were rational, then there'd be no excuse for ignoring us.

As is...

so it is OK to live in denial like they did and stubbornly proceed to just ignore negative feedback in every way that suits them? come on....they had THREE SHOTS at solving this.....three.....and they chose not to so where exactly does that leave us?

[Nole]

crimzontearz wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Why would Bioware care for those who do nothing else but insult them?

I was one of their biggest supporters.....so were many other.....and we were veiledly told we were too dumb to understand the ending


we were told we were unimaginative for not realizing DA2 had a short dev cycle because of the awesome tech and people at Bioware even when people working on it outside of bioware said the game was a cash grab rushjob

so uhm.....they care about no one but Washington, Lincoln and Franklin? that's OK then.....

I invite you to see the link on my signature.

[crimzontearz]

WittingEight65 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Why would Bioware care for those who do nothing else but insult them?

I was one of their biggest supporters.....so were many other.....and we were veiledly told we were too dumb to understand the ending


we were told we were unimaginative for not realizing DA2 had a short dev cycle because of the awesome tech and people at Bioware even when people working on it outside of bioware said the game was a cash grab rushjob

so uhm.....they care about no one but Washington, Lincoln and Franklin? that's OK then.....

I invite you to see the link on my signature.

read it before, one sided and unimpressive

[Nole]

You hurt my feelings.

[crimzontearz]

WittingEight65 wrote...

You hurt my feelings.

I had no idea you wrote it in the first place

[teh DRUMPf!!]

crimzontearz wrote...

so it is OK to live in denial like they did and stubbornly proceed to just ignore negative feedback in every way that suits them? come on....they had THREE SHOTS at solving this.....three.....and they chose not to so where exactly does that leave us?

Not sure what "three shots" you're referring to.

There are two types of "negative feedback" though: constructive criticism, and vitriol.

All I'm saying is this: you can't have it both ways. You either maintain a level-head, and then complain BioWare is ignoring you for no good reason, OR you spew out vitriol... just don't be surprised if they don't want to engage in dialogue with you, in that case. That's what fanboys don't seem to get: nobody wants to be the target of hatred. And if I may, I'd say that holding hatred towards people over a video game is going completely overboard with one's emotions.

[AngryFrozenWater]

BW knew in advance that the plot would be bad. They even promised a no-ABC-ending. And what did we get?

[crimzontearz]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

so it is OK to live in denial like they did and stubbornly proceed to just ignore negative feedback in every way that suits them? come on....they had THREE SHOTS at solving this.....three.....and they chose not to so where exactly does that leave us?

Not sure what "three shots" you're referring to.

There are two types of "negative feedback" though: constructive criticism, and vitriol.

All I'm saying is this: you can't have it both ways. You either maintain a level-head, and then complain BioWare is ignoring you for no good reason, OR you spew out vitriol... just don't be surprised if they don't want to engage in dialogue with you, in that case. That's what fanboys don't seem to get: nobody wants to be the target of hatred. And if I may, I'd say that holding hatred towards people over a video game is going completely overboard with one's emotions.

I was level headed enough to get info about certain shortcomings straight from the devs prior to release......but it does not matter, right now all I want to do is just sit back and watch what happens next because I will win regardless

[teh DRUMPf!!]

... yeah, I still don't get this ongoing gripe against ME3's "ABC" ending.

Maybe I'm not understanding it right, but ME1's AB ending was not a problem to people. Neither was ME2's.

Maybe people were expecting ABCDEFGHIJKLM, but I'd argue that was highly unrealistic to begin with.

[Headcount]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

... yeah, I still don't get this ongoing gripe against ME3's "ABC" ending.

Maybe I'm not understanding it right, but ME1's AB ending was not a problem to people. Neither was ME2's.

Maybe people were expecting ABCDEFGHIJKLM, but I'd argue that was highly unrealistic to begin with.

Maybe because people realized (and was debated here) that having multiple endings to ME1 or ME2 would make going into the game impossible if BW had to balance several different outcomes.  However, this was the final ending to the trilogy and BW could have done a little bit more than a ABC ending through a color filter.

[AngryFrozenWater]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

... yeah, I still don't get this ongoing gripe against ME3's "ABC" ending.

Maybe I'm not understanding it right, but ME1's AB ending was not a problem to people. Neither was ME2's.

Maybe people were expecting ABCDEFGHIJKLM, but I'd argue that was highly unrealistic to begin with.

Interesting. What didn't you understand? A lot has been written about the issue.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 juillet 2013 - 10:05 .

[ruggly]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

... yeah, I still don't get this ongoing gripe against ME3's "ABC" ending.

Maybe I'm not understanding it right, but ME1's AB ending was not a problem to people. Neither was ME2's.

Maybe people were expecting ABCDEFGHIJKLM, but I'd argue that was highly unrealistic to begin with.

I'd assume that people didn't have problems (for the most part) with 1 and 2's endings since there was going to be a third game to close it all out.  But ME2 didn't leave them much room going into 3, and I think that made it a lot harder on how they were going to end it, since 2 deviates way the fudge over there, and then 3 brings it back way the hell over here.

[mk123]

I might be in a minority here but I kind of feel that Starkid could have been very interesting - the idea of the AI who is powerful but still severely limited by its programming had potential. But it wasn't foreshadowed at all or explored nearly enough, so it just appears as a deus ex machine out of nowhere.

[Bakgrind]

mk123 wrote...

I might be in a minority here but I kind of feel that Starkid could have been very interesting - the idea of the AI who is powerful but still severely limited by its programming had potential. But it wasn't foreshadowed at all or explored nearly enough, so it just appears as a deus ex machine out of nowhere.

Someone posted on this board a long while back suggesting that if they had written the starkid from a Star Trek  perspective  you could of showed him the error of his ways via logic and reason and talked him in to shutting himself and the reapers down. They could of finished the series off with a sophisticated story telling way instead trying to make it an artsy way by having implied trendy meaning to it.

Modifié par Bakgrind, 04 juillet 2013 - 11:10 .

[AlanC9]

Headcount wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Maybe I'm not understanding it right, but ME1's AB ending was not a problem to people. Neither was ME2's.
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Maybe because people realized (and was debated here) that having multiple endings to ME1 or ME2 would make going into the game impossible if BW had to balance several different outcomes.  However, this was the final ending to the trilogy and BW could have done a little bit more than a ABC ending through a color filter.

Like KotOR and ToB's AB endings? Or BG, BG2, and SoU's A endings? Not sure how to classify HotU and DA:O in this system, since I don't know what counts for a full letter.

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 juillet 2013 - 11:06 .

[Kelwing]

I prefer to look at the end of ME3 after being hit by Harbingers beam as never happening. Not a damn thing after that makes much sense. Which makes it easy to ignore the Starchild.

Modifié par Kelwing, 04 juillet 2013 - 11:31 .

[Bill Casey]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

... yeah, I still don't get this ongoing gripe against ME3's "ABC" ending.

Maybe I'm not understanding it right, but ME1's AB ending was not a problem to people. Neither was ME2's.

Maybe people were expecting ABCDEFGHIJKLM, but I'd argue that was highly unrealistic to begin with.

I believe that has to do with Casey Hudson saying pre-release that it wouldn't be an abc ending...

[JamesFaith]

Bill Casey wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

... yeah, I still don't get this ongoing gripe against ME3's "ABC" ending.

Maybe I'm not understanding it right, but ME1's AB ending was not a problem to people. Neither was ME2's.

Maybe people were expecting ABCDEFGHIJKLM, but I'd argue that was highly unrealistic to begin with.

I believe that has to do with Casey Hudson saying pre-release that it wouldn't be an abc ending...

Original quote, populary twisted to "no ABC ending" on BSN, was:

"It's not even in any way like traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B or C..."
 
Which is true because without some EMS manual you don't know which endings you wil get. This quote simply means that number of endings and their "quality" (destroyed/saved Earth) isn't set in stone for everyone and it is based on your action.

But some fans had unrealistic interpretation of this, which were also based on infamous IGN article with quote about 16 endings, which was supposed to be about Witcher 2, not ME3.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 04 juillet 2013 - 11:34 .

[CptData]

FreshRevenge wrote...

Okay most people would agree with me here. That the Starchild or the catalyst was a bad idea. Before I jump into it myself. Why do you think about the Starchild?

Also I am not sure if this was mentioned but is the Starchild really Harbinger? Because once you shoot it, it says so be it with Harbingers voice.

Second first: nah. Starchild isn't Harbinger, it just uses Harbinger's voice.

First second: Every writer will agree on my statement: "It's always a bad idea to introduce a new character in the very final moments of your story changing the plot. It's twice as bad if said character throws everything you know out of the window. And it's thrice as bad if said character reminds you of the Architect in Matrix II."

Modifié par CptData, 04 juillet 2013 - 11:38 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Original quote, populary twisted to "no ABC ending" on BSN, was:

"It's not even in any way like traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B or C..."

Which is true because without some EMS manual you don't know which endings you wil get. This quote simply means that number of endings and their "quality" (destroyed/saved Earth) isn't set in stone for everyone and it is based on your action.

Your ending is determined by which of three buttons in the final chamber you press (totally unlike, say, Deus Ex HR), and hiding behind technicalities doesn't change that - yeah, sure, he might not technically have lied in any legally binding statements but you'd be fool to ever trust anything Casey says again.

[JamesFaith]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Original quote, populary twisted to "no ABC ending" on BSN, was:

"It's not even in any way like traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B or C..."

Which is true because without some EMS manual you don't know which endings you wil get. This quote simply means that number of endings and their "quality" (destroyed/saved Earth) isn't set in stone for everyone and it is based on your action.

Your ending is determined by which of three buttons in the final chamber you press (totally unlike, say, Deus Ex HR), and hiding behind technicalities doesn't change that - yeah, sure, he might not technically have lied in any legally binding statements but you'd be fool to ever trust anything Casey says again.

And number of these buttons is based on your EMS which is based on your action during game.

Quite different then DEHR where was just one secret ending and three with same choice for everyone.

[Mr.House]

Bad writing, poor forshadowing or lack therfor, horrible acting, horrible presentation, showing a new character in the last ten minutes, stupid reasons and contradict the first game where the only way oyu can justify it is headcanon and gigantic asspulls, contradictions to the what was established about the Reapers, being ventboy, massive change in tone/themes and using EDI and the geth as bodyshields.

That's about it.

Modifié par Mr.House, 05 juillet 2013 - 12:56 .

[Bill Casey]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Now we have ending battles that consist of rabid fanboy vitriol between both sides. One group that formed as a result of this (IT) was so out-of-hand that they've been banned from the discussion.

Yeah, that's not why IT formed...
IT formed because Arrival and Mass Effect 3 looks like Shepard's being indoctrinated...

That's what the game literally looks like...
In fact, I liked the ending quite a bit when I thought that was the case...

But Bioware said it isn't and banned any discussion of it...
They kept IT around for the positivity it brought to the forums during the backlash and then dumped it at their earliest convenience. We took a ton of **** for defending Bioware...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 05 juillet 2013 - 01:41 .