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[chrisraymondr]

 Aah, Dragon Age Origins, a tale of dilemmas, tribulations and choices. One choice however, I feel, is important when establishing the Dragon Age Inquisition lore.

 King Alistair? Queen Anora? Prince-Consort Mr Grey Warden? Who will be the monarch to rule them all? And by 'rule them all' I mean 'rule all of Ferelden'. Now if we go by the 'canon' lore it is infact Alistair who rules them all. But what then about the choices we made in Dragon Age Origins? I chose to marry Anora and send Alistair off into exile. Why? Because Anora is damn fine! I decided that my warden knew best how to rule a Kingdom... and I wanted to make lots of lovely blonde children...

 Now I loved the idea of my warden becoming King Prince-Consort, it added a new flavour to my story and yo my lore and it, in my eyes, increased the chances of me seeing my warden again (I mean, for God's sake he's King Prince-Consort of Ferelden! With the option now of world roaming a quick trip to Denerim and a chance to see my little blonde babies would be delecious!). What will happen if Alistair is King for no logical reason in Dragon Age Inquisition?

 I love having to make choices. Want to make Hawke Viscount of Kirkwall? Go ahead. Don't worry though, he'll just dissapear anyway. My Warden would never have left Anora unless it was urgent and I get that, I really do.... wait? What am I even saying? I'm rambling, allow me to get back on topic.

 I want my King Prince-Consort Warden to exsist and be married to Anora, even if she is infirtile. I want me Hawke to exsist and still be Viscount of Kirkwall. I want Alistair to be a drunk, I want Morrigan to have my child, I want Anders to really be dead this time and, most of all, I want to see my Warden's blonde little heirs. 

 Choices and ramifications. These are what define Bioware games and these are what I want to affect Dragon Age Inquistion. I understand that there is only so much that can be done, I'm no so naive as to think that Bioware is going to create twenty different versions of the game depending on character choices in past game, to even suggest that would be idiotic. What I want is to see is those little blonde children that my Warden had with Anora, I want to SEE Morrigan's child change the world (I understand that the child is not canon... maybe the child can have a little side quest, y'know? Like Nathaniel did in Dragon Age 2...), I want to SEE Sebastien ruling in Starkhaven and I want to feel as though my character has the ability to change the world.

 How do you guys feel? What choices did you make that you want to see affect Dragon Age Inquisition and what choices do you feel are irrelevant (for example, The Circle of Magi being granted independance in Fereldan and a chantry being set up in Orzammar etc.)? I'm truly interested to see how the novels, the comics and how David Gaider are going to affect MY universe, because in my eyes, those are MY characters and those will be my blonde haired children frolicking around with Bann Teagen and Bella's children...

 Monarch's, one of the biggest choices we make. Are they important? Or can they be brushed aside in the name of the canon? I don't mind if Alistair is King all of a sudden in Dragon Age Inquisition, I only care if the overall story is not great, but I want to know if YOU care. If choice important? Or does the canon overrule it?

[Maria Caliban]

Both your warden and Anora are possibly sterile. You might want blonde haired children running about but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Besides, your warden has disappeared. If the ruler of Ferelden shows up, it will be Alistar or Anora.

[chrisraymondr]

You might want blonde haired children running about but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. 

Yeah, I know, but that's just my hopeful mind running free honestly, it's not so much the idea of not having childrenthat bothers me, all I care about is 'progression'; choices and dilemmas that impact on the story in game changing ways. Sure my Warden is gone, but does that mean Alistair has the right to just become King because it's canon? In all honesty I'd be fine with an Anora cameo in which she simply mentions my Warden in passing, telling the Inquisitor of her lost love... well, 'love' is a big word for Anora...

Modifié par Cin3xzara, 04 juillet 2013 - 11:44 .

[ames4u]

I want to see my Warden's drop kick Hawke across the country for allowing the events of Kirkwall to happen without so much as a WTF are you doing?!? My Warden's would also like to a 'chat' with Alistair about what a Warden's duties truly are, because sailing through Kirkwall during a war and not doing jack to help the people is a big No No for them. The purpose of a Grey Warden to them is simple; To protect the people, even from themselves if need be.

To be perfectly honest Hawke was utterly pointless to the Dragon Age story, just a glorified babysitter who failed spectacularly at their job.

[Azaron Nightblade]

ames4u wrote...

I want to see my Warden's drop kick Hawke across the country for allowing the events of Kirkwall to happen without so much as a WTF are you doing?!? My Warden's would also like to a 'chat' with Alistair about what a Warden's duties truly are, because sailing through Kirkwall during a war and not doing jack to help the people is a big No No for them. The purpose of a Grey Warden to them is simple; To protect the people, even from themselves if need be.

To be perfectly honest Hawke was utterly pointless to the Dragon Age story, just a glorified babysitter who failed spectacularly at their job.

Actually the purpose of a Grey Warden is to fight Darkspawn, they are in fact not allowed to meddle in local politics because it turned out bad for them in the past - remember the whole "banned from Ferelden on the pain of death" thing?
Fairly sure it's literally stated that way in the codex entries in DA:O.
So Alistair needs to have a chat with your Warden about your duties. 
Also, he is the King of "Ferelden" - he has no say whatsoever on foreign ground, and to stick his nose into local affairs is pretty much asking for an international incident.
Edit: Unless you meant drunken Alistair, in which case... I doubt he gives a damn about the Wardens anymore.
More on topic: I'd love to see the choice matter, but I wouldn't mind so much if Alistair or Anora show up - in most of my playthroughs they were the rulers anyway, usually Alistair - my one Warden that actually married Anora ran off with Morrigan when he got the chance. 

Modifié par Azaron Nightblade, 05 juillet 2013 - 12:07 .

[chrisraymondr]

To be perfectly honest Hawke was utterly pointless to the Dragon Age story, just a glorified babysitter who failed spectacularly at their job.

Whilst I agree with everything else you said (I too would love to ask Alistair why exactly the Wardens have become picky when choosing who to help (I mean, they apparently have no issues with the Warden Commander going off to find Morrigan and then dissapearing, but a city under seige from seemingly superior enemies and the beheading of the viscount to top it all off? Nah, the Wardens have got more important things to do) I don't however believe that Hawke failed at his or her's job. 

 I mean, let's actually look at what Hawke's description was; 'The Champion'. Did Hawke become the Champion? You bet he/she did! Sure, maybe The Champion was placed into a seemingly incomplete game (I'd just like to point out that I loved Dragon Age 2... I'm trying to remain objective y'know?), but I feel as though the Champion has had a bigger (immediate) affect on the world than the Warden ever did. The Warden's decisions affected Ferelden and only Ferelden (with the exception of the whole 'saving the world from the blight' ordeal...) wheras the Champion's decisions decided who had the upper hand in the impending war. Then again, the Champion's story can be simply viewed as the 'set up' for Dragon Age Inquisition, at least that's what it felt like towards the end. DA2 had no real direction until the end and ultimately Hawke could have been anyone, he wasn't 'strictly' important, but the ramifications of his actions will have a much larger impact on Dragon Age Inquistion.

[chrisraymondr]

my one Warden that actually married Anora ran off with Morrigan when he got the chance. 

I was so tempted to do that aswell... I spent like 15 minutes deliberating over it xD in the end however, I decided I couldn't just leave my wife... but no, apparently I dissapear anyway... poor Warden...

[Thetford]

The Warden, if he marries the monarch is essentially Prince Philip, the spouse, the arm candy. Alistair is Queen Elizabeth II, and for some reason, Anora is a Prince Philip who is promoted to a Queen Elizabeth II (or Margrethe, Beatrix's successor, or King Whatshisname of Norway, for our friends of the continent and their less prolific monarchies).

At best, the Warden can be a Prince Albert (or a Hillary Clinton for our frenemies across the pond), a spouse of a significant advisory role, but arm candy nonetheless, and Empress Celeste does not do international politics with arm candy. There is only two possible monarchs, Alistair, Anora (or both), any mention of who they married, or any children (blonde or otherwise) is just a throwaway line.

[Azaron Nightblade]

Cin3xzara wrote...

my one Warden that actually married Anora ran off with Morrigan when he got the chance. 

I was so tempted to do that aswell... I spent like 15 minutes deliberating over it xD in the end however, I decided I couldn't just leave my wife... but no, apparently I dissapear anyway... poor Warden...

That Warden would've gone with Morrigan right away if the choice had been there from the start anyway.
And it's not like Anora will miss him, it was a marriage of convenience - of course it's totally cool to headcanon that she comes to love the Warden, just because the initial reasons were selfish doesn't mean nothing more can come of it.
I need to roll a noble human Warden that never bothers with Witch Hunt and DA:Awakening. 

[MisanthropePrime]

One thing I'd like to see is a revolution depose a monarch and replace it with something other than another one. There's at least a little precedent for republicanism in the setting, namely Kal-Sharok.

[In Exile]

ames4u wrote...
My Warden's would also like to a 'chat' with Alistair about what a Warden's duties truly are, because sailing through Kirkwall during a war and not doing jack to help the people is a big No No for them. The purpose of a Grey Warden to them is simple; To protect the people, even from themselves if need be.

That is as close to the total opposite of what the Warden's mission is as you could possible get. The actual official policy of the Warden's is "not darkspawn, not our problem". Helping people because of a political crisis is as far removed from what the Warden's do as possible. 

[Maria Caliban]

In Exile wrote...

That is as close to the total opposite of what the Warden's mission is as you could possible get. The actual official policy of the Warden's is "not darkspawn, not our problem". Helping people because of a political crisis is as far removed from what the Warden's do as possible.

The problem here is that I have a hundred+ hours as a Grey Warden PC under my belt and during that time the game constantly encouraged me to act like every other BioWare hero and spend 90% of my PC's time in other people's business.

[Zanallen]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The problem here is that I have a hundred+ hours as a Grey Warden PC under my belt and during that time the game constantly encouraged me to act like every other BioWare hero and spend 90% of my PC's time in other people's business.

The game did.

Not Duncan or Riordan.

And you were only meddling in an effort to secure help to fight the Blight. There is no Blight in DA2, so there is no reason for the Wardens to bother helping Kirkwall.

[Azaron Nightblade]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The problem here is that I have a hundred+ hours as a Grey Warden PC under my belt and during that time the game constantly encouraged me to act like every other BioWare hero and spend 90% of my PC's time in other people's business.

The game did.

Not Duncan or Riordan.

It would also be fair to say that the PC wasn't your average Warden. 
Not to mention you had to win the good will of the people, being completely cut off from Warden support and all.

[David Gaider]

Cin3xzara wrote...
I'm truly interested to see how the novels, the comics and how David Gaider are going to affect MY universe, because in my eyes, those are MY characters and those will be my blonde haired children frolicking around with Bann Teagen and Bella's children...

The comics aren't going to affect your universe. There is no "canon", outside of a default that exists should you not be importing. The events that occurred in the comics and novels only happened in your universe if they match up (Wynne was only involved in the events of Asunder, for instance, if she survived DAO to begin with). If not, then they happened differently... or not at all.

In other words, just because there are Dragon Age stories that exist which cannot import your game choices does not mean they will suddenly override your future games.

[Ashelsu]

May be it would be better if the Dragon Age games were divided with large time intervals. Like one hundred years later. If it’s not a trilogy, and it doesn’t have a constant main character, like Mass Effect. No “swooping is bad” cameos. No "why did Leliana left me, my warden/Hawke would never do such thing". No characters changed drastically.
That way you can imagine your Warden future. Walked through Eluvian with Morrigan, wreaked havoc in Antiva with Zevran, travelled with Leliana or happily married to Anora/Alistair, or whatever. Just some notes in codex about previous PC, maybe you find their journal, or armor.
100 years later, some John/Jane rules Fereldan. They can mention: my great-grandfather was a Grey Warden, and his name was Alistair/Aidan.
The price? No returning characters, they are dead.
Would you prefer that? Doesn’t seem to be in DA:I, but may be for future installations?

[Ashelsu]

Well then, import headaches will only increase.

[Azaron Nightblade]

Ashelsu wrote...

Would you prefer that? Doesn’t seem to be in DA:I, but may be for future installations?

I prefer to wait and see what they did - rather than assume by default that they ruined everything from our previous games (AKA choices, LI's, etc...).
If it turns out to be a worst case scenario and they've bulldozed everything... eh, it'll be a lesson to remember for future games I guess.

[Ashelsu]

^^ Because DA:I will have to deal with implementing of Warden and Hawke somehow. Disappearing act will need to be explained. Kirkwall adventures ended with a cliffhanger, didn’t they?

Modifié par Ashelsu, 05 juillet 2013 - 06:28 .

[Wolfva2]

I like that our choices matter, but I'm realistic enough to realize just how many choices there are with each new game. Even small choices can be important later. How do they plan for each possible choice? How do they make sure every single player gets to play a game which honors each and every choice they made? It may not be impossible, but if not, it's the next best thing to impossible.

I treat games like I treat any other entertainment. I buy them to be...entertained. I expect to sit back and enjoy the ride. If a game, or book, or movie does this, then great! I'll be looking forward to more of them. I expect the producers of this entertainment to be professionals who know what they're doing. So far, I haven't been disapointed with Bioware, or Gaider. They've taken me on a good ride, and I'm looking forward to the next trip.