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[Adela]

The thing about Varric  being a companion again worries me, because for
example Anders in Awakening  use to be pretty fun and come DA2 he was
very very diffrent and very little humor  thats why i worry about Varric
that he may become something like Anders and not so much fun as he use
to be but more serious and bitter about the events that are happening... What do u guys think? Would u prefere a bitter/ serious Varric?

[Tenshi]

Anders was mage favoring fanatic even in Awakening, i dont see this happening. at least not in same way.

[Adela]

yea he was but at least he still had some sense on humor and he was fun to be around, in DA2 i understand that he became one with Justice and all but idk he got changed ALOT , as for Varric in the trailer he didnt look very jolly granted there were bodies lying all over the place but he always tried to look at things form a bright side regardless of how messed up things were at least that's how i saw him idk

[syllogi]

Varric was always able to appreciate serious situations, so hopefully he's not completely different in DA:I. After both Oghren in Awakening and Anders in DA2 I admit that I'm a bit concerned too, but we'll just have to wait and see. As long as Varric's personality hasn't changed dramatically, and we can learn more about him, I'll be happy to see him again.

[BouncyFrag]

Bioware would have to work very hard to make Varric as unlikeable as Anders character shift was from Awakenings to DA2. I'd look to the character development from the Mass Effect games. I found myself liking those characters more as the series progressed.

[berelinde]

No one has promised us that Varric will return as a companion. Don't get me wrong! I am as fond of him as I could possibly be, and I want him to return as a companion very much indeed. I just remind myself that nobody has made any promises to avoid disappointment if he isn't.

As for whether he has change, I'd put money on it. He has been through a lot. But I'm one of the few people who like it when characters return dramatically altered, even if its painful to see. Maybe especially if it's painful to see. But Varric has a great deal of emotional fortitude, unlike Anders. (And no, I'm not saying that Anders was a bad character because he let emotions get the better of him.) No matter what happens to Varric, I think he'll pull through.

[HiroVoid]

They wouldn't bring back Varric as a companion unless they wanted to try something new with him.

As for Anders, it was a similar case though I'd probably guess they had the character description worked in there before they decided Anders would fit the role for Dragon Age II. That's what I figure anyway since while Anders always hated templars, I believe he also mentioned it being foolish to go against the chantry if brought to the convo with Wynne. Still, I believe it was a believeable journey of using the character and I personally liked him both personally and character-wise in Dragon Age II anyway.

[LinksOcarina]

syllogi wrote...

Varric was always able to appreciate serious situations, so hopefully he's not completely different in DA:I. After both Oghren in Awakening and Anders in DA2 I admit that I'm a bit concerned too, but we'll just have to wait and see. As long as Varric's personality hasn't changed dramatically, and we can learn more about him, I'll be happy to see him again.

Well, people do change over time. If they are set in stone they really go through no growth then. I think this is why I liked Ander's as a character, even though I hated his methodology.

Interanally, Varric will likely be the same. Externally who knows. He may still have a peice of that idol in the end...

[TheBlackAdder13]

I'm curious as to what will happen to him if you gave him the piece of the red lyrium idol in DA2.

[Catroi]

God I hope not

[BouncyFrag]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

I'm curious as to what will happen to him if you gave him the piece of the red lyrium idol in DA2.

I forgot about that, and can't remember what I did. On one hand I don't want Varric to go batpoop crazy (if he's even in DAI in a substantial capacity), but then that would be cool to see.

[Twisted Path]

I'm kind of hoping he's just an NPC who does some plot related stuff and maybe gives some quests.

[Catroi]

Are we even sure the dwarf in the trailer is indeed Varric?

[Adela]

Catroi wrote...

Are we even sure the dwarf in the trailer is indeed Varric?

 well if his not Varric idk who  he is because he sure  looks alot  like him soo.. ya

[Catroi]

My bad just watched it again, he doesnt look like Varric at all (different bone structure, nose, jaw, hair color, type of clothing) BUT he wields Bianca

[Urazz]

ag99 wrote...

The thing about Varric  being a companion again worries me, because for
example Anders in Awakening  use to be pretty fun and come DA2 he was
very very diffrent and very little humor  thats why i worry about Varric
that he may become something like Anders and not so much fun as he use
to be but more serious and bitter about the events that are happening... What do u guys think? Would u prefere a bitter/ serious Varric?

Unless Varric fuses with Justice then I'm not gonna worry about Varric being too different like what happened to Anders.

Catroi wrote...

Are we even sure the dwarf in the trailer is indeed Varric?

Yeah it's him.  Same cloths and he was holding Bianca as well.  The only difference was that he was covering his chest hair which is probably what people use to identify him by. 

[Adela]

well ya i would expect for the characters to look a lil bit different given that its a new engine and all

[Nefla]

Ugh that would be awful! In awakening, Anders was my favorite character, in DA2 I kill his whiney, terrorist, lying, emo self every time. I liked Merril in DA:O and thought she had potential, I didn't know that "potential" would be making her an arrogant, hypocritical demon lover with the wisdom and intelligence of a preschooler. Oghren became a one dimensional joke in Awakening. I wish they would stop having cameos and leave it as mentions here and there. The cameos of Alistair and Isolde in particular were awful and just stuck in there to try and get cheap laughs by quoting themselves from the previous game, lines that were funny in context but to just shove them out like a catch phrase...you almost expect them to go "eh eh eh!" While nudging you, hoping to get a laugh.

[ames4u]

It's just a way to pull in fans of DA2, same reason they hinted at Morrigan showing up in game in the hopes of luring the old fans back.

[Felya87]

Urgh! I hope not!!! Varric was one of the few things I would save fron DA2!!!

seeing the phate of Anders in DA2 was already too painful to watch. I hoped till the end of the game to have a chanche to have the Awakening Anders back! (instead...BooOOooM!!!)

seeing this on Varric too...argh! having another agonalizing kill of character like Anders with Varric, would be really like putting a tombstone on the game!!!
already Oghren in Awakening was way more immature than in DAO, and I still can't understand why, but at least was quite fun, and wasn't totally ruined.
Anders was a fun character, (and totally straigh, if all the flirting with my female Warden, the comments on Andraste, and on almost every female he came across where of some indication) and I really hated the change he had in DA2. too much change, in too little time. (well, in no time)

hope if there should be a return of some character, they would not be destroyed. if there is need for another crazy/depressed companion, at least be it a totally new character, without having to destroy an old companion.

[nightscrawl]

ag99 wrote...

The thing about Varric  being a companion again worries me, because for example Anders in Awakening  use to be pretty fun and come DA2 he was very very diffrent and very little humor  thats why i worry about Varric that he may become something like Anders and not so much fun as he use to be but more serious and bitter about the events that are happening... What do u guys think? Would u prefere a bitter/ serious Varric?

I think after the DAA>DA2 Anders transition that they would be a bit better/smoother about that kind of thing in the future. So, even if we do have a harder Varric, I think we might be better introduced to the reasons for it than we were with Anders.

David Gaider said...

So I think if I went back I would have started with an Anders that was a little bit closer to when he was in Awakening, so the player could be on the same sort of journey with him.

David Gaider wrote...

I might have liked if Anders had been a little closer to his Awakening version in Act 1— a little funnier and lighter, perhaps— to show his progression over the acts a bit better.

Considering the above, I don't think they would do the same thing again.

Also, as syllogi said, "Varric was always able to appreciate serious situations," in addition to the fact that Varric is, for the most part, rather tight-lipped about himself. His remarks to Fenris about to kill his sister are pretty revealing of the amount of depth that Varric has, as are his lines to Isabela and Merrill about "Bianca." I'd also point to the comics, but would prefer to stick to in-game examples.

[Giltspur]

Well, Anders always had issues with the status of mages, which is understandable.  So I can see him going down the road he did. 

What would it take to break Varric?  I'm working on the assumption that characters are made to be tortured by writers so as to make audience's squirm.  Well, Varric is the smart guy that can always lie or deceive his way out of a situation.  So not being able to control a situation or having his manipulation backfire or hurt a friend is what would really hurt him.  So I could see him becoming more bitter or sad.  But I wouldn't mind that.  I wouldn't think Varric would descend into villainy like Anders though.  I think he'd be more likely to grow in ways that allowed him to overcome his setbacks.

But, you know, expectations can of course can be confounded.  I do feel there's more you can do with Varric.  So I look forward to seeing what they do.  Then again, maybe it's just a cameo that doesn't require much character growth at all.  I don't really care.  I try not to make too many assumptions based on fleeting images in trailers.  But your post is about fears of Andersization.  Possible but not required or even the first thing that comes to mind.

[thats1evildude]

Did you guys get a different version of Awakening in the version I did? Because in mine, Anders never shut up about how bad the mages had it.

A: Oh woe, the plight of the mages. Does anyone in Thedas have it harder than us?
W: Gee, Anders, the city elves have it pretty bad too. I've lived in abject poverty my whole life and I had to rescue my bride from rapists.
A: THIS IS MY PITY PARTY AND I'LL CRY IF I WANT TO

Modifié par thats1evildude, 05 juillet 2013 - 06:31 .

[nightscrawl]

thats1evildude wrote...

Did you guys get a different version of Awakening in the version I did? Because in mine, Anders never shut up about how bad the mages had it.

A: Oh woe, the plight of the mages. Does anyone in Thedas have it harder than us?
W: Gee, Anders, the city elves have it pretty bad too. I've lived in abject poverty my whole life and I had to rescue my bride from rapists.
A: THIS IS MY PITY PARTY AND I'LL CRY IF I WANT TO

Anders reactions in DAA were more personal in nature, how he wants to be free and so forth. Justice attempts to get Anders to be more concerned with the plight of all mages, especially with the view that now that Anders is "free" (as free as one is in the Wardens), he should work so that other mages can have the same.

Also, he is much more serious and dark in DA2, even when he is being humorous. Part of that is a result of the switch in voice actors. Greg Ellis (AKA Cullen), plays Anders much more flippantly than does Adam Howden.