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I've only played like 4 demos in my gaming time, I think. Dead Space, Dead Space 3, ME3 MP and Dragon Age ][. I'm not really in the whole demo = what the whole gaming experience will be, but I understand it. I just find reviews from my friends that have similar interests are a better judging experience then the demos themselves.

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Or you could watch... the review for the game...

Which is generally better at telling you whats-what than a year-old demo... 


There's very few, if any, review sites that I trust more than my hands-on experience with a game. Again, this seems to be a failing on the part of demos.

Fwiw I thought ME3's demo was great. It gave you a feel for the degree to which dialogue and story were going to be important to the experience.

DmC's was also useful; fun gameplay, absurd, terrible writing.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 08 juillet 2013 - 07:10 .


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Batarian zombies. Everybody knows this


They aren't zombies like the humans are. They stay back. They shoot you. They use cover. The human husks act like zombies--make oscene cries and run straight towards you. I don't think they're comparable.

Yes they're not comparable but the batarians are obviously an evolved form of zombies. What's next, you're gonna tell me zombies can't drive stick?

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Ea, you are using a demo which was showcased for gameplay in a 10 minute window, when the game itself takes over 10 hours to complete. How can you say Last of us is a "zombie" game when you haven't seen more than one action section of the game?

The reviews online give you much more insight to the game. Looking there might be better.

Modifié par Dextro Milk, 08 juillet 2013 - 07:16 .


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The only impression I got from ME3 demo was the Reapers finally showed up and Cerberus randomly turn lulz evil

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spirosz wrote...

I've only played like 4 demos in my gaming time, I think. Dead Space, Dead Space 3, ME3 MP and Dragon Age ][. I'm not really in the whole demo = what the whole gaming experience will be, but I understand it. I just find reviews from my friends that have similar interests are a better judging experience then the demos themselves.


I don't mean demo as in what a game company actually releases to the public, but what they display at an event like this.

Like, say, Watch Dog's FANTASTIC ten-minutes-of-gameplay demo last year (that I may or may not have writted 4000 words about).

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EntropicAngel wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

No, I don't judge a game from a 10 minute demo... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]


What does the length have to do with anything? The point is, whoever made the game CHOSE to display that at E3. A game is judged by the demo it presents, that's just how it works.


J. Reezy wrote...

Batarian zombies. Everybody knows this


They aren't zombies like the humans are. They stay back. They shoot you. They use cover. The human husks act like zombies--make oscene cries and run straight towards you. I don't think they're comparable.


If we're going by different types.... 

Clickers use echolocation, Bloaters fight differently, Stalkers fight differently, Runners fight differently.  

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Yes they're not comparable but the batarians are obviously an evolved form of zombies. What's next, you're gonna tell me zombies can't drive stick?


Zombies don't evolve in that way. One of the fundamental...parts, for lack of a better word, of the zombie concept is that they're mindless. The Batarians are anything but.

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Ea, you are using a demo which was showcased for gameplay in a 10 minute window, when the game itself takes over 10 hours to complete. How can you say Last of us is a "zombie" game when you haven't seen more than one action section of the game?

The reviews online give you much more insight to the game. Looking there might be better.


I'm saying that based on what the company itself decided to show.

That's how looking for games works: you look at what the company is showing of the game, and if you're interested in it more you go for more in-depth. You can't read reviews of everything. Based on the demo that, again, the company itself apparently thought was representative of the game, I came to a conclusion that I would not be interested in it and consequently didn't look for anymore information about it.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

spirosz wrote...

I've only played like 4 demos in my gaming time, I think. Dead Space, Dead Space 3, ME3 MP and Dragon Age ][. I'm not really in the whole demo = what the whole gaming experience will be, but I understand it. I just find reviews from my friends that have similar interests are a better judging experience then the demos themselves.


I don't mean demo as in what a game company actually releases to the public, but what they display at an event like this.

Like, say, Watch Dog's FANTASTIC ten-minutes-of-gameplay demo last year (that I may or may not have writted 4000 words about).


So you're saying you're open to only viewing one type of gameplay/video and you're either sold or not? 

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EntropicAngel wrote...

I'm saying that based on what the company itself decided to show.

That's how looking for games works: you look at what the company is showing of the game, and if you're interested in it more you go for more in-depth. You can't read reviews of everything. Based on the demo that, again, the company itself apparently thought was representative of the game, I came to a conclusion that I would not be interested in it and consequently didn't look for anymore information about it.


So how about you stop saying stuff that makes it sound as if Last of us is a generic "zombie game"? If you don't like the way it looks, your issue, not mine.

Judging by demo's, Mass Effect 3 wouldn't have made me buy it. All it showed was pew pew boom boom, and nothing really of the characters we have grown to love.

Modifié par Dextro Milk, 08 juillet 2013 - 07:27 .


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Dextro Milk wrote...

Judging by demo's, Mass Effect 3 wouldn't have made me buy it. All it showed was pew pew boom boom, and nothing really of the characters we have grown to love.


Demos aren't for people who will buy the game anyway. :D

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CronoDragoon wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

Judging by demo's, Mass Effect 3 wouldn't have made me buy it. All it showed was pew pew boom boom, and nothing really of the characters we have grown to love.


Demos aren't for people who will buy the game anyway. :D

Not what I meant.

If I wasn't into Mass Effect, that demo wouldn't have made me buy it. I got into Mass Effect because my friends told me how awesome the characters were, and I looked up reviews. I regret nothing.

Looking at a demo when you could look at a review is a bad move imo.

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spirosz wrote...

So you're saying you're open to only viewing one type of gameplay/video and you're either sold or not? 


Not saying I'm only open to that, but my interest is based entirely on that. If it interests me, it gets a much closer look. If it doesn't I move on.

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So how about you stop saying stuff that makes it sound as if Last of us is a generic "zombie game"? If you don't like the way it looks, your issue, not mine.

Judging by demo's, Mass Effect 3 wouldn't have made me buy it. All it showed was pew pew boom boom, and nothing really of the characters we have grown to love.


Alright. From the looks of it my knowledge of The Last of Us is flawed. But again, I will point out that that came from a game demo the company itself came up with. It looking like a generic zombie game to me is as much their fault as mine (not that it's a "fault," but you know what I mean hopefully).

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EntropicAngel wrote...

spirosz wrote...

So you're saying you're open to only viewing one type of gameplay/video and you're either sold or not? 


Not saying I'm only open to that, but my interest is based entirely on that. If it interests me, it gets a much closer look. If it doesn't I move on.


Well, isn't that being unfair?  Now, I understand, but going back to see if certain games evolve or who knows, maybe something the developer couldn't expand on or even talk about beforehand, but now can and that information happened to peak your interest. 

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Last of Us? Really?... :lol:


More zombies?

That trend needs to die, no pun intended.


By that reasoning, so should space aliens, monsters, fantasy and most of the tropes we've seen a dozen times. 

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Well, isn't that being unfair?  Now, I understand, but going back to see if certain games evolve or who knows, maybe something the developer couldn't expand on or even talk about beforehand, but now can and that information happened to peak your interest. 


I don't think so--a game demo contains a LOT of information, typically. Very likely, what you see is what you'll get.

I'm trying to think of a game I've seen that did that, but I can't. Can you provide an example of a game where the demo was uninteresting to you, but an interview suddenly made it so? That seems like a stretch.

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spirosz wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

spirosz wrote...

So you're saying you're open to only viewing one type of gameplay/video and you're either sold or not? 


Not saying I'm only open to that, but my interest is based entirely on that. If it interests me, it gets a much closer look. If it doesn't I move on.


Well, isn't that being unfair?  Now, I understand, but going back to see if certain games evolve or who knows, maybe something the developer couldn't expand on or even talk about beforehand, but now can and that information happened to peak your interest. 


This

Plus demos are really suppose to show only gameplay and how the graphics look.

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Actually, Elder Scrolls Online. First glances turned me off, then I've read a few interviews and my interest has actually gone up. Though considering MMO's in the first place, I don't think I'll buy it at day launch, but that is because of MMO launch disasters being a norm and bug fixes, etc.

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By that reasoning, so should space aliens, monsters, fantasy and most of the tropes we've seen a dozen times. 


Zombies are a specific element, not an entire setting like fantasy. I don't agree about space aliens, because "space alien" is far, far less descriptive and defining than zombie. Same for monsters.

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Mass Effect 3 demo had nothing about romances, yet many people consider that a core part of their story.

If you watched the interviews for the Last of Us, you wouldn't be in here saying how uninteresting it is.

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C'mon EA, would I get a custom avatar from a game if the game wasn't good?

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spirosz wrote...

Actually, Elder Scrolls Online. First glances turned me off, then I've read a few interviews and my interest has actually gone up. Though considering MMO's in the first place, I don't think I'll buy it at day launch, but that is because of MMO launch disasters being a norm and bug fixes, etc.


That sounds like something you MAY have already had interest in, seeing it has the Bethesda label, and thus you researched it more based on that...but that's conjecture. Alright.

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C'mon EA, would I get a custom avatar from a game if the game wasn't good?


You also think the Witcher's good though.

Oh, snap!

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Not what I meant.

If I wasn't into Mass Effect, that demo wouldn't have made me buy it. I got into Mass Effect because my friends told me how awesome the characters were, and I looked up reviews. I regret nothing.

Looking at a demo when you could look at a review is a bad move imo.


In essence you are saying that some aspects of a videogame can't be captured in a demo. That might be true, but reviews can't show you how awesome the characters are either. The other problem is tastes can vary. I heard so much about how great FFX's story is, then played it and thought it was trash. I felt reviews did me a disservice. At least with demos what is capable of being captured can be presented to you directly. How does the gameplay feel? What is the dialogue quality/voice acting quality? How's the music? The nice thing about videogames is that you can generally tell right away what the quality of the narrative is, based on how the dialogue sounds and the quality of voice acting.