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[Iakus]

Robosexual wrote...

Where was the hope when you commited genocide on the Rachni? When you shot Wrex for trying to save his people? When you shot Mordin in the back? When you shot Legion in the face?

Hope wasn't the thing of the ME universe. If it was, it wouldn't be so easy to get through the series keeping the status quo.

If I didn't do any of those things.  Why should i get the same "the situation is hopeless, need to sacrifice myself doing somemthing incredibly dark gray and hope for the best" ending?

Why should no matter how much of a difference I made, it made no difference in the end?

That status quo was never going to be maintained, but why should FailShep and HeroShep get the same grim choices no matter what?

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

the only thing i wanted to see is shepard's funeral

[HiddenInWar]

omg

I haven't interacted with the story forums in a long time. Looks like i haven't missed much?

[AresKeith]

Robosexual wrote...

LineHolder wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Where was the hope when you commited genocide on the Rachni? When you shot Wrex for trying to save his people? When you shot Mordin in the back? When you shot Legion in the face?

Hope wasn't the thing of the ME universe. If it was, it wouldn't be so easy to get through the series keeping the status quo.

You choose to do that, or you don't.

Which shows that hope isn't the theme of Mass Effect, seeing as though you can get through the series destroying it.

Hope is one of the themes of Mass Effect

[Clayless]

iakus wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Where was the hope when you commited genocide on the Rachni? When you shot Wrex for trying to save his people? When you shot Mordin in the back? When you shot Legion in the face?

Hope wasn't the thing of the ME universe. If it was, it wouldn't be so easy to get through the series keeping the status quo.

If I didn't do any of those things.  Why should i get the same "the situation is hopeless, need to sacrifice myself doing somemthing incredibly dark gray and hope for the best" ending?

Why should no matter how much of a difference I made, it made no difference in the end?

That status quo was never going to be maintained, but why should FailShep and HeroShep get the same grim choices no matter what?

Well, it'd be a bit of an overstatement to say keeping the genophage or killing the Rachni makes you "FailShep", arguably that makes you "HeroShep".

But regardless, asking that doesn't change the fact that hope wasn't the theme of Mass Effect. If it was it wouldn't be so easy to get through the series destroying it.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

HiddenInWar wrote...

omg

I haven't interacted with the story forums in a long time. Looks like i haven't missed much?

Not really no. The loud minority is still here, being wrong about stuff.

[BattleCop88]

StreetMagic wrote...
As it is, the biggest scrub who bought it at Wal-Mart and barely played is equal to the most invested player. The series is apparently over, and all of their endings are equally true.

This is one if the biggest reasons why my current playthrough lacks joy. It will end the same way my other one did; the same way most other players can end their story.

When you win big, you win the same way everybody else wins big, likewise for royally screwing up. No matter how different your shep is from someone else's is, if you meet the similar numbers and pick the same color, it will end exactly the same: forced, miserable, nonsensical outcomes.

[Iakus]

Robosexual wrote...

But regardless, asking that doesn't change the fact that hope wasn't the theme of Mass Effect. If it was it wouldn't be so easy to get through the series destroying it.

But it is a playstyle to have a hopeful, optimistic Shepard going through all three games, saying things like "There's always hope. It's what's gotten us this far" and "But take heart, look around you.  You are not in this fight alone"

Only in the end, Shepard is broken by the enemy in all possible outcomes, cannot win on his.her own terms, and in virtually all outcomes, dies horribly.  Something far more appropriate for a cynical, pesimistic Shepard who has nothing left to live for.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Bill Casey wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

How does someone picking synthesis or control infringe on your basic rights and your DNA? Are you a person living in the MEverse?

These people aren't picking it for the lulz...
They are arguing as though these acts are a virtue, which is a dangerous ideology...

Autocracy for example is responsible for more human suffering than any other ideology in history...

These people are picking it knowing this is a videogame, and they argue for them (to my knowledge) within the boundaries of this videogame.. except maybe the most lunatic nutjob. I picked control in this videogame,.. does that make me, the person, someone who believes in slavery and tyranny? 

[DirtyPhoenix]

Modifié par pirate1802, 07 juillet 2013 - 08:28 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...

When your "morals" entail messing with my DNA, you're damn right I'm going to speak up...
I'm not your science experiment...

You're not "speaking up" about anything. Nobody is talking about DNA experimentation in this thread.

Again, you're just here looking for a fight. Go back to your moat.

[Bill Casey]

You know damn well what I'm talking about...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...

You know damn well what I'm talking about...

You're talking about something unrelated to the discussion at hand, which means you aren't here to "speak up" about anything relevant. So you're just hijacking the thread in favor of your moral-tripping. Follow the rules, mister! >=[

[KaiserShep]

He doesn't have to save them, but then it's not about those 3 people either.

[Iakus]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

I find it amusing that no one complains about how Shepard would need to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of his/her fellow Alliance sailors and soldiers in order to save 3 incompetent politicians.

WHERE'S TEH OUTRAGE BSN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1111ONETHOUSANDONEHUNDREDELEVEN

  The Alliance soldiers that die at least die at the hands of the enemy, not get shot in the back by Shepard. 

Modifié par iakus, 08 juillet 2013 - 03:16 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Semantics. Dead is dead. 

[DirtyPhoenix]

Well, technically aren't both cases similar? Both the Alliance soldiers and the synthetics died as a result of Shepard's decision, who had a tough call to make?

[Steelcan]

No one refuses to initiate the Project either. No one refused to murder thousands of batarians because it was wrong. Those were innocent civilian who were murdered by Shepard. The geth are no different.

[Iakus]

pirate1802 wrote...

Well, technically aren't both cases similar? Both the Alliance soldiers and the synthetics died as a result of Shepard's decision, who had a tough call to make?

The Alliance soldiers had a chance.  They faced their enemies, they were armed, and they knew what they were fighting for.  They had a chance.  The geth and EDI had none.

@Steelcan. My Shepard at least tried to warn the batarians.

Modifié par iakus, 08 juillet 2013 - 04:39 .

[Steelcan]

iakus wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Well, technically aren't both cases similar? Both the Alliance soldiers and the synthetics died as a result of Shepard's decision, who had a tough call to make?

The Alliance soldiers had a chance.  They faced their enemies, they were armed, and they knew what they were fighting for.  They had a chance.  The geth and EDI had none.

@Steelcan. My Shepard at least tried to warn the batarians.

.  You told them half a sentance and that excuses you?  They had no real warning, no chance at all of escape even if they were warned.  

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Well, technically aren't both cases similar? Both the Alliance soldiers and the synthetics died as a result of Shepard's decision, who had a tough call to make?

The Alliance soldiers had a chance.  They faced their enemies, they were armed, and they knew what they were fighting for.  They had a chance.  The geth and EDI had none.

@Steelcan. My Shepard at least tried to warn the batarians.

Not trying to be mean but all this argument does is make you look like you're more concerned about Shepard's ego.

[The Twilight God]

Enhanced wrote...

I don't understand. Shepard's goal was to defeat the Reapers. That happens. Just because Shepard dies in most of the endings, they are bad?

The reapers are only defeated in Destroy. In all others they win. The get their way in synthesis, they continue being Reapers in Control and Shepard gives up in Refuse. Both Synthesis and Control make no sense if things actually turned out well. And even in the one where you do defeat them the universe is in shambles and you very likely never see your loved ones again. Not exactly a great outcome. The endings are just a huge mess of nonsense and contradictions or Bioware is deceiving everyone with 3 out of 4 endings.

Shepard's death isn't what makes anything bad. Dragon Age handled protagonist death properly. ME3 just has ****** poor story writing which resulted in ****** poor endings.. Just Deus Ex rip-offs from a crappy unimaginative lead writer who should have been fired.

[Steelcan]

@Twilight God,
BioWare has seemed to make it clear that each ending is good in its own way. No more dark age in Destroy, and IT is all but denied.