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[Tenshi]

srsly.. who said that ashes are destroyed.... kolgrim? dont make me laugh.

[teenparty]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

srsly.. who said that ashes are destroyed.... kolgrim? dont make me laugh.

They may not be destroyed, but the urn is filled with dragons blood. If she ate the ashes she would have to drink the blood.

[twilekaoi]

teenparty wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

srsly.. who said that ashes are destroyed.... kolgrim? dont make me laugh.

They may not be destroyed, but the urn is filled with dragons blood. If she ate the ashes she would have to drink the blood.

lol, the way you worded that part made me giggle picturing our little Leliana sitting crossed legged on the sanctuary floor just gomping down gulps of Andraste... ew, kind of morbid. but cute!

edit: Also keep in mind when Eamon was cured, he was shown cured by a Circle mage. Unless Leliana knows the process to prepare the ashes, which is implied to be magical-- it might be unlikely she can be cured by the ashes.

Modifié par twilekaoi, 06 juillet 2013 - 10:48 .

[Angrywolves]

No.

[Eveangaline]

That would be kind of cool, but she can 'die' at the camp far away from the ashes. That means the ashes aren't what bring her back.

[Bionuts]

Her death doesn't count.

There is no TRUE explanation and there never will be. I

[phunx]

Bionuts wrote...

Her death doesn't count.

There is no TRUE explanation and there never will be. I

You sound like nothing would convince you? What is  TRUE explanation anway?

[Psykohamster]

Leliana being alive is not a retcon. The Dragon Age team never intended her to be dead. We made assumptions that were false based on what we saw. It's no different than when you think a character in a movie is dead only to come back and save everyone later on, and no one gets but hurt when that happens.

[Angrywolves]

They Bioware needed Leliana to tie the chantry, seekers inquisitor stuff together.
Realistically players shouldn't have ever been able to kill her in DAO.
Pollute the ashes, she gets mad and leaves.
So Bioware made a mistake allowing the possibility of the player killing her in DAO.
That's all it is.

[Brea]

LobselVith8 wrote...

She could be possessed by a spirit or a demon if The Warden killed her, like Wynne was when she died.

twilekaoi wrote...

Another possibility is that the "Maker" itself decided to revive Leliana since she was defeated in a holy structure with the Guardian slain. Or that essence that fueled the guardian could have traveled to Leliana (or Wynn) as a consequence of him being slain. So many possibilities!

Personally, I think the answer is a mix between these two. I really like the possibility of the Guardian teaming up with Leliana. xD

[wwwwowwww]

Guessing I need to read the books to know what everyone is talking about

[BlazingSpeed]

Brea wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

She could be possessed by a spirit or a demon if The Warden killed her, like Wynne was when she died.

twilekaoi wrote...

Another possibility is that the "Maker" itself decided to revive Leliana since she was defeated in a holy structure with the Guardian slain. Or that essence that fueled the guardian could have traveled to Leliana (or Wynn) as a consequence of him being slain. So many possibilities!

Personally, I think the answer is a mix between these two. I really like the possibility of the Guardian teaming up with Leliana. xD

After telling Leliana that she wasn't special in the makers eyes?

[Killdren88]

That is gonna be an awkward Convo to be in the middle of if the Warden is in the game and Leliana talks with them.

[KC_Prototype]

Liskat wrote...

We haven't been given the explanation of how she survives, I'm guessing that explanation comes in DA:I.

Oh boy! Just think how pissed she will be at the Warden if you killed her. Luckily for me even when my human male warrior left her for Morrigan, I kept her alive and we managed to keep a Harry Potter-Hermoine Granger relationship.

[Angrywolves]

may never come..

[slimgrin]

She should be a zombie if we've killed her.

[snackrat]

1) "Reaver" is build around dragon-blood, not woman-ashes.
2) You are taught the Reaver spec from Kolgrim in return for defiling the ashes. You (and your party's warriors) can become Reavers even though you never consume any of the ashes yourself.
3) Reaver spec is for warriors, Leli is a rogue.
4) Reaver spec goes against the character protrayal (imagine if Wynne was blood spec but literally all her dialogue was the same...), negatively affects aesthetic.

Consuming ash does not a Reaver make.

[Wulfram]

If they actually addressed it in story, Leliana being a reaver could be interesting. Precisely because it's not the sort of thing you'd expect from her character.

Not that I think it's going to happen.

[franciscoamell]

Only warriors can be reavers silly. ;P

[DPSSOC]

Liskat wrote...
We haven't been given the explanation of how she survives, I'm guessing that explanation comes in DA:I.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

Psykohamster wrote...
Leliana being alive is not a retcon. The Dragon Age team never intended her to be dead. We made assumptions that were false based on what we saw. It's no different than when you think a character in a movie is dead only to come back and save everyone later on, and no one gets but hurt when that happens.

Because typically in movies, comics, books, TV, etc. it's explained and/or the circumstances of death leave wiggle room.  It's still a retcon.  Good example of this is Sherlock Holmes.  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle killed Sherlock off, falling to his death with Moriarty.  Later he started writing again and had to bring Holmes back.  It's still a retcon because it's retroactively altering the continuity.

Furthermore some people do get upset about it, because it's horribly cliché or done poorly, but even if they didn't videogames are unique in that the audience is also an active participant.  It creates a different kind of investment.

Lelliana was dead.  As dead as anyone else we killed in-game who didn't get an after fight cinematic.  If the writers want to change that it's fine, that's their decision to make, but no amount of word play and semantics alters the fact that a change was made.

If there'd been some ambiguity about it maybe, like if Lelliana had Feign Death when you pick her up in Lothering, or she fell off a ledge, some indication that they were trying to maintain plausible deniability you could say this was planned, but as is it's clear that at some point after DA:O was made someone wanted Lelliana to be part of the story going forward and they just decided to negate her death in any playthroughs where it happened.

And again that's fine, it's their product they can do what they want with it.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Leliana pulled an Anders and joined with a spirit to come back to life.

If we already have one established resurrection through that means it stands to reason the writer would use it rather than coming up with another new way of doing so.

[Dayze]

Well; you do get the reaver skill set via drinking the dragons blood but if its anything like the warden ritual it might require a special preparation while the blood used in the ashes may have simply been to damage it.

But yes if it is simply the dragon's blood itself, then all that it would seem to require is drinking it.

So if it was the ashes that revived her and she drank it after it had been corrupted by a warden its feasible that she would have started to receive the memories of the cults ancestors and members. Though perhaps the ashes themselves could have caused some after effect on the blood to negate that effect.

[Fredward]

-shrug- She got better.

[Jergles]

My leliana was "hardened" and nothing changed after the ashes were defiled.

[Vulpe]

PhantomGinger wrote...

The ashes are destroyed when you use the dragon blood. So in theory she would have had to drink the blood, not the ashes.

It wouldn't be a problem if you think that under the place were the ashes stand there are huge lyrium veins and if you think that lyrium might be made by dragons.

After all, there is a dragon nest under the altar that might have been used by dragons for who knows how long (maybe centuries or even thousands of years) and Oghren states that he feels lyrium under the place.

The dragon blood might have made the ashes even more potent. If that's so, the joke's on us.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 15 décembre 2013 - 10:08 .