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[MisanthropePrime]

When you get right down to it, Hawke doesn't actually make very big decisions compared to the Warden. Most of his choices are personal: be nice to dude X or a jerk, kill person Y or don't. Even the "big" choice, choosing a side in the mage/templar war... they still go to war without you, and the war breaks out all over Thedas. Meanwhile, the Warden is a kingmaker for two nations, saves or annuls a circle, and cures a pack of werewolves or slaughters an entire clan (though to be far Hawke does have the option to do that, too)- but he decides the fates of entire peoples, nations and groups.

There's also the fact that DAII sold much less than DA:O, and EA's marketing seems to be trying to distance itself from DAII (look at the official DA:I webpage and it says "From the makers of Dragon Age: Origins" with no mention of DAII). DA:I seems to be, stylistically, at least, more similar to DA:O, ranging over a wide area with a character part of an order dedicated to saving the world rather than "some dude who lives in a city". All of this makes me wonder: will Bioware allow you to import straight from DA:O to DA:I?

[Sith Grey Warden]

They said they're working on restructuring the whole system regarding imports. I'm hoping this means it won't matter whether you just have one game or both, or what console you played on.

That said, I very much hope that it will be possible to import straight from DAO to DAI. I didn't find nearly as much replay value in DA2 as DAO, and have five complete DAO playthroughs without a corresponding one in DA2. Hopefully DAI will match DAO's replay value. If that's the case, I'd love to be able to continue these stories without having to trudge through DA2.

[In Exile]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

When you get right down to it, Hawke doesn't actually make very big decisions compared to the Warden.

The Warden doesn't make very many big decisions. Really, there are only two, of which you might say one has two sub-components, and that's (i) the fate of Orzammar and (ii) the ruler of Ferlden. Orzammar really has the Anvil as a sub-choice, so you get Bhelen + Anvil, Bhelen - Anvil, Harrowmont + Anvil, Harrowmont - Anvil. 

Otherwise, every choice the Warden has, Hawke has an equivalently significant choice. 

All of this makes me wonder: will Bioware allow you to import straight from DA:O to DA:I?

You could skip DA:A. in DA2. I imagine you might get a fixed canon for DA2? It depends on what their import mechanism is.  

[nightscrawl]

Here are a few points to consider:

* You were allowed to import from DAO into DA2 while skipping DAA/WH/GoA
* By the time DAI is released it will have been five years since DAO release
* There were several problems with the import chain from DAO>DAA>DA2
* DAI is multi-generation

I think it is likely that we will be able to carry over our decisions in some form. How that will be done is still unknown. Considering the length of time since DAO release, the import problems, and the DAI multi-generation factors, I don't think that we are going to be using actual save files to input our choices.

So what is left? Some other form of choice input. Whether that is a checklist, or a story comic like ME2 got, or something else entirely. If one of these methods is used, I find it unlikely they would let you skip portions of it. For example, if there is a checklist with several events listed for DAO and several events listed for DA2, I don't think you would be able to just put in the DAO points and ignore the DA2 ones, the game probably wouldn't let you hit the "Next" button to continue.

Of course, the other option to get around some of the import problems using the actual save files is to patch DAO/DAA/DA2 to fix them. However, I find that highly unlikely, and it also doesn't solve the multi-generation issue. Also, I think it would be too much work for a relatively small audience. Sure, some players, including myself, might be willing to play the whole chain again in order to achieve that perfect play for importing into DAI. But other players might already consider that they have their perfect play and not bother with over 100 hours of game time for import decisions that may or may not affect their own canon.


All of the above is a guess of course. I'm really curious to see what they are planning.

[JWvonGoethe]

My guess: yes.

I think the whole save import redesign has three purposes:

1. Make it possible to transfer save game states from current-gen to next-gen.
2. Resolve import bugs.
3. Allow people to transfer save files from DA:O or its DLC directly into Inquisition. This one's less likely than the first two, but it seems to me that if Bioware are going to the trouble of redesigning the system they might as well take the time to implement this feature for the benefit of the significant number of people who are in your situation, OP. Possibly a stretch goal, but with the delay I think it's likely that they are aiming for it to happen at the very least.

In theory, all they would need to do is allow the player to import a direct save from DA:O and then select a preset DA2 save game state.

[PsychoBlonde]

I am actually kind of hoping they'll just let you do a manual import checklist of some kind. Or, they could let you export your desired saves to the BSN and then pull the desired list off the BSN.

[Mothalickaz]

Hawke doesn't make that many decisions?

Well, both hawke AND the warden make big decisions, I think importing BOTH games will give you the ultimate experience. Anyone in this for the story, should want to import BOTH games. As far as I know, the story in Inquisition will focus on mage vs templar, dragons, the tevinter imperrium, and I believe a war between orlais and fereldan, or some other war between countries(or all of them?).

Your choices in origins and DA 2 will obviously BOTH effect the game greatly, since BOTH DA games focus on these problems as well(DA 2 focuses on this more than origins, though)importing both of the games would only make sense.

[MisanthropePrime]

In Exile wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

When you get right down to it, Hawke doesn't actually make very big decisions compared to the Warden.

The Warden doesn't make very many big decisions. Really, there are only two, of which you might say one has two sub-components, and that's (i) the fate of Orzammar and (ii) the ruler of Ferlden. Orzammar really has the Anvil as a sub-choice, so you get Bhelen + Anvil, Bhelen - Anvil, Harrowmont + Anvil, Harrowmont - Anvil. 

Otherwise, every choice the Warden has, Hawke has an equivalently significant choice.

I'd say every main quest is pretty significant, with the Dalish elves being the least of them. The Warden also gets to decide the fate of the successor and wife of the Arling of Redcliffe, a rather powerful position in Ferelden. Meanwhile, Hawke... lobotomizes a half-elf? That's about it.

[AstraDrakkar]

I think in my first playthough i might not use any imports, just to see what Bioware's default is. Of course any opportunity to forget DA2 is welcome.

[MisanthropePrime]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

I think in my first playthough i might not use any imports, just to see what Bioware's default is. Of course any opportunity to forget DA2 is welcome.

That's something interesting to consider. DA:O had a lot of different possible states the world could be in, hence allowing you to choose from 3 different pre-selected backgrounds. Since much less varies with Hawke, I wonder if B-Dubs will have a default import for DAII rather than a choice of three.

[legbamel]

While I don't disagree that Hawke was mostly localized and the movie was more about catalysts than protagonists, I don't see why it would matter whether you skipped it on import. I'm not really fussed either way but it seems like an odd request if you're so convinced it makes no difference to the state of the Thedas.

Feynriel is actually the only thing I really see playing out with any significance in DA:I or later, because they made such a fuss about how rare and powerful Dreamers are. Whether you made the deal with the demon, sent him to the Dalish, or trooped him off to Tevinter that power is still on the loose.

[Dabrikishaw]

When we import from Dragon Age:Awakening to Dragon Age ][ the game has to default to a lot of options regarding a Orlais Warden due to not playing Origins. I imagine the same will happen in Inquisition.

[In Exile]

MisanthropePrime wrote...
I'd say every main quest is pretty significant

They are, except that Hawke has analogous choices. 

The abominations in the Circle always get cleared out, so that entire quest line boils down to either anulling it, imprisoning the mages, or saving them ... so they can stay in the Circle. Act III is this, but on a grander scale.

If you want to talk about changing the fate of nations, then killing the Arishok leads to a new leader being appointed. That's not on the scale of picking for Orzammar and Ferelden, but I mentioned that from the start. 

with the Dalish elves being the least of them.

Hawke already gets to massacre a tribe of Dalish in DA2. 

The Warden also gets to decide the fate of the successor and wife of the Arling of Redcliffe,

Whether the Arishok lives or dies counts a lot more than Eamon. 

Meanwhile, Hawke... lobotomizes a half-elf? That's about it.

You mean, the single greatest mage in generations. A being who, if made an abomination, could be a threat on an unmentionable scale? 

Modifié par In Exile, 07 juillet 2013 - 02:49 .

[duckley]

I have so many saved games from both DA's that I forget which ones are my preferred ones so I would love to see a ME approach.

Having said that, what major plot points decisions do you think should be available to the player to select his/her outcomes?

For me some of them would be :
Who is the ruler of Fereden?
Who rules Orzamar?
What happened to the Dalish (both DA's)?
Which companions are still alive (i.e Anders)?
Who, if anyone "engaged" with Morrigan?
Who did you side with - - Templars or Mage?

Others????

Modifié par duckley, 07 juillet 2013 - 03:18 .

[MisanthropePrime]

Whether the Arishok lives or dies counts a lot more than Eamon.

Doesn't the Arishok always die? Huh. I never knew you could not fight him. I guess you have to hand off Isabela to him, right?

[The Six Path of Pain]

As of now I really hope so. I got a PC and bought the UE of DA:O, and have no plans currently to replay DA2 'shudders'...But DAI is a good year away from being released. So I MAY change my mind later on and replay DA2 to see if the few decision made in the game have any significance in Inquisition.

Modifié par The Six Path of Pain, 08 juillet 2013 - 02:47 .

[In Exile]

MisanthropePrime wrote...
Doesn't the Arishok always die? Huh. I never knew you could not fight him. I guess you have to hand off Isabela to him, right?

Yup. He goes on his way. 

[Bfler]

I hope so, because my old DA2 saves are all without the last decision in Witch Hunt. Now I have some new DAO playtroughs with all my prefered decisions, but I can't bring myself to replay DA2.

[Keeper of Light]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

When you get right down to it, Hawke doesn't actually make very big decisions compared to the Warden. Most of his choices are personal: be nice to dude X or a jerk, kill person Y or don't. Even the "big" choice, choosing a side in the mage/templar war... they still go to war without you, and the war breaks out all over Thedas. Meanwhile, the Warden is a kingmaker for two nations, saves or annuls a circle, and cures a pack of werewolves or slaughters an entire clan (though to be far Hawke does have the option to do that, too)- but he decides the fates of entire peoples, nations and groups.

There's also the fact that DAII sold much less than DA:O, and EA's marketing seems to be trying to distance itself from DAII (look at the official DA:I webpage and it says "From the makers of Dragon Age: Origins" with no mention of DAII). DA:I seems to be, stylistically, at least, more similar to DA:O, ranging over a wide area with a character part of an order dedicated to saving the world rather than "some dude who lives in a city". All of this makes me wonder: will Bioware allow you to import straight from DA:O to DA:I?

SMH

[Warden Inquisitor]

 I recently got the PC version of Origins with all of the DLC, and I don't want to play DA 2, and would much prefer them to allow me to choose from the game or the expansion to carry over.

[Sable Rhapsody]

duckley wrote...
For me some of them would be :
Who is the ruler of Fereden?
Who rules Orzamar?
What happened to the Dalish (both DA's)?
Which companions are still alive (i.e Anders)?
Who, if anyone "engaged" with Morrigan?
Who did you side with - - Templars or Mage?

PC genders, since it is important for continuity
Did the Warden survive the fight with the Archdemon?
What was the fate of Amaranthine?
How did Hawke interact with the qunari? 
Which characters did the Warden and Hawke romance? (Regardless of plot relevance, we fans get touchy about our LIs)
What companion character arcs occurred in DA2? (Ie; Aveline potentially leaving the guard, Merrill potentially killing her clan, etc.)
What boon did the Warden receive from Alistair/Anora?
Which major non-companion NPCs are still alive? (Loghain, Zathrian, Irving, etc.)
What happened to the Anvil of the Void and the Urn of Sacred Ashes?
What was Flemeth's DA:O fate?
What was the outcome of Witch Hunt?

TBH I think only a couple of plot elements are major ones (the Warden living or dying, the Landsmeet decision, the mage vs. templar thing in DA2), but for me, part of the charm of ME's import system was seeing the outcome of little decisions like sparing Helena Blake.  

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 08 juillet 2013 - 09:02 .

[Catroi]

IMO the witch hunt's outcome is a very very important one

[Green Monster]

Here is my concern. I have not kept files from old games as I have changed (crashed) computers 4 times since 2009. (I suspect this is the case for many other players)

Most of the decisions that were important to me personally came from DAO but there may be important DA2 tie ins from a game/story perspective for DAI. I frequently played offline and the BSN updates never really matched up well for me. I do not think that I would like to play the default option as it would not fee genuine to me. Has anyone heard anything about how they plan to implement? I could not find anything helpful on the forum search. I'd hope they let you customize the default may be with a series of pregame questions relating to major events from the first 2 and DLCs to get the world close to "my version™" for folks in my situation.

I like the backgrounds and I hope that it will be a good way to flesh out some of the players preferences and attitudes at the onset.

[Maria Caliban]

If they're doing traditional imports, I suspect that you'll be able to just do DA:O without DA II.

[Cheylus]

"Did you defile the ashes?"
No: everything is fine.
Yes: Leliana wasn't in your party. Problem solved!