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[duckley]

Just a simple question... I may be missing something in Dragon Age Lore, but what role do Mages play in every day life?

It seems to be most are living in Circles and are used as weapons in times of war.

Are healers ever available to serve towns and villages - aside from Anders' underground clinic?

Do they not have spells that could be used to help build roads, buildings, machinery, get rid of pesky locust that might destroy crops, etc. etc.?

Just curious....

Modifié par duckley, 07 juillet 2013 - 03:28 .

[Herr Uhl]

They live in their circles and enchant stuff.

I am not aware of there being any medical practitioners for common people, I'm sure a noble might be able to get a mage to look at them though, but through the circle.

[DatOneFanboy]

Nah if Somebody needs healing or help they are going to go to the circle, put a mage on the leash and tell him to do work

Modifié par DatOneFanboy, 07 juillet 2013 - 03:39 .

[Plaintiff]

Prisoners.

They are prisoners in "everyday life".

Not, they do not use their magic to do anything for non-magical society. The Chantry forbids it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

As we can see templars don't want to let mages even in war time if you play as mage you can see that very rarely like blight maybe but still you need help templars they do that , so i doubt they let serve as mages healers even one try Evelina but templars disagreed so she escaped. I guess mages have to work as mercenaries or criminals like sketch to escape templars.

2:15 is enough

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 07 juillet 2013 - 03:51 .

[Magdalena11]

You make a very good point. It seems like that's all they really do. If you're a PC you get to travel outside the circle and use the powers the maker gave you but otherwise that's pretty well it. The Dragon Age Encyclopedia they just published tells you about health care in Thedas, which is pretty much catch as catch can. People don't trust magic and won't. As far as non-magical medicine goes, you might as well rub a lamp.

[duckley]

Plaintiff wrote...

Prisoners.

They are prisoners in "everyday life".

Not, they do not use their magic to do anything for non-magical society. The Chantry forbids it.

I didnt realize it was forbidden by the Chantry. If so, that explains it - although I often wonder why the highlighted words belwo never seemed to gain steam. Perhaps this will be a theme for DA:I?


Sermons of Justinia I.

 “For she has said to us, 'Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him.' Therefore, I
say to you, they who work magic which dominates the minds and hearts of others,
they have transgressed the Makers law. Also, Our Lady said to us, "Those
who bring harm without provocation to the least of His children are hated and
accursed by the Maker." And so it is made clear to me, as it should be to
us all: That magic which fuels itself by harming others, by the letting of
blood, is hated by the Maker. But, those mages who honor the Maker and keep his laws we welcome as our brothers and sisters.”[/b][/i]

For those who have read the World of Thedas - is there a good summary of the Chantry Laws and views of Mages? If so, I would like to pick that book up!

Modifié par duckley, 07 juillet 2013 - 03:54 .

[Magdalena11]

Is it a coincidence that the new Divine is named Justinia?

[Tarek]

its like having a Greek god look and yet u live in a blind society

that's how being a mage is, your a god among cave men

[Herr Uhl]

duckley wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Not, they do not use their magic to do anything for non-magical society. The Chantry forbids it.

I didnt realize it was forbidden by the Chantry. If so, that explains it - although I often wonder why the highlighted words belwo never seemed to gain steam. Perhaps this will be a theme for DA:I?

There is no rule forbidding the use of magic for healing, the problem is accessibility. Plaintiff is one to overstate things fairly often.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 07 juillet 2013 - 04:16 .

[duckley]

Magdalena11 wrote...

Is it a coincidence that the new Divine is named Justinia?

Hmmmmm - good point.

[MadCat221]

duckley wrote...

Magdalena11 wrote...

Is it a coincidence that the new Divine is named Justinia?

Hmmmmm - good point.

Not really.  Divines assume a name when they are pontified, just like Popes in real life.  Pope Benedict XVI?  Pope John Paul II?

She is actually Divine Justinia the 5th IIRC.

Modifié par MadCat221, 07 juillet 2013 - 04:33 .

[Plaintiff]

Herr Uhl wrote...

duckley wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Not, they do not use their magic to do anything for non-magical society. The Chantry forbids it.

I didnt realize it was forbidden by the Chantry. If so, that explains it - although I often wonder why the highlighted words belwo never seemed to gain steam. Perhaps this will be a theme for DA:I?

There is no rule forbidding the use of magic for healing, the problem is accessibility. Plaintiff is one to overstate things fairly often.

It's not an overstatement in the least. The mages are forbidden from accessing and interacting with the outside world generally, that includes using magic on it for any reason.

[In Exile]

Herr Uhl wrote...
There is no rule forbidding the use of magic for healing, the problem is accessibility. Plaintiff is one to overstate things fairly often.

That isn't a substantive distiction. That there isn't actually an explicit rule saying they can't do it, when there are a number of rules that have that effect, amounts to the same thing.

[Tenshi]

Plaintiff wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

duckley wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Not, they do not use their magic to do anything for non-magical society. The Chantry forbids it.

I didnt realize it was forbidden by the Chantry. If so, that explains it - although I often wonder why the highlighted words belwo never seemed to gain steam. Perhaps this will be a theme for DA:I?

There is no rule forbidding the use of magic for healing, the problem is accessibility. Plaintiff is one to overstate things fairly often.

It's not an overstatement in the least. The mages are forbidden from accessing and interacting with the outside world generally, that includes using magic on it for any reason.

*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.
You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for.. than learn a bit..  than spend your time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep. everything FREE and guaranteed.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Modifié par xxx2emo4Uxxx, 07 juillet 2013 - 05:04 .

[Plaintiff]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

[LobselVith8]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

*Prison* is very big overstatement.

It's the exact term used in the VO for the Magi Origin. It's a term that can also be used by the mage protagonist from the Circle of Ferelden.

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

Real world slaves in some areas had fine clothes, an education, and accomodations to sleep in, but that didn't change how abhorrent it was.

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for.. than learn a bit..  than spend your time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep. everything FREE and guaranteed.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me. 

We have Anders talk about how many mages he knew committed suicide as a way out of the Circle of Ferelden. We have relationships prohibited in some Chantry controlled Circles. No Circle mage can raise his or her own child. In some Circles, we know that mages have been beaten, tortured, raped, made tranquil illegally, and even killed. In all the Chantry controlled Circles, mages are under the risk of being made tranquil. The Rite of Tranquility can't be even be contested by the mage in question, and the First Enchanter might not even know the evidence against the specific mage, as we know from the Magi Origin. This seems like a monstrous and cruel way of life to force on people.

[Herr Uhl]

In Exile wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
There is no rule forbidding the use of magic for healing, the problem is accessibility. Plaintiff is one to overstate things fairly often.

That isn't a substantive distiction. That there isn't actually an explicit rule saying they can't do it, when there are a number of rules that have that effect, amounts to the same thing.

The fact that they actually do study healing magic would suggest they put it to use every now and then. If a noble falls ill or there is a huge plague, I'd assume they'd be utilized, under guard of course.

Saying that they're forbidden to do anything is an overstatement.

[In Exile]

Herr Uhl wrote...
The fact that they actually do study healing magic would suggest they put it to use every now and then. If a noble falls ill or there is a huge plague, I'd assume they'd be utilized, under guard of course.

 

Actually, we do know that they use it. They used it for Eamon. I just remebered that. 

[Tenshi]

LobselVith8 wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

*Prison* is very big overstatement.

It's the exact term used in the VO for the Magi Origin. It's a term that can also be used by the mage protagonist from the Circle of Ferelden.

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

Real world slaves in some areas had fine clothes, an education, and accomodations to sleep in, but that didn't change how abhorrent it was.

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for.. than learn a bit..  than spend your time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep. everything FREE and guaranteed.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me. 

We have Anders talk about how many mages he knew committed suicide as a way out of the Circle of Ferelden. We have relationships prohibited in some Chantry controlled Circles. No Circle mage can raise his or her own child. In some Circles, we know that mages have been beaten, tortured, raped, made tranquil illegally, and even killed. In all the Chantry controlled Circles, mages are under the risk of being made tranquil. The Rite of Tranquility can't be even be contested by the mage in question, and the First Enchanter might not even know the evidence against the specific mage, as we know from the Magi Origin. This seems like a monstrous and cruel way of life to force on people.

gregoir, THE KNIGHT COMMANDER, said that first enchanter has last word in the circle. if there is anything wrong with circle mages brough it on themselves.

[LobselVith8]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

gregoir, THE KNIGHT COMMANDER, said that first enchanter has last word in the circle. if there is anything wrong with circle mages brough it on themselves. 

The mage protagonist points out that the Circle will do what the Chantry will tell them to do, and Alistair never contests this. The entire premise of the Hero of Ferelden from the Circle asking for his people to be given their independence is to emancipate them from the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars, which is why Irving profusely thanks the protagonist for freeing their people from their "shackles" during the royal ceremony.

The First Enchanters do not have authority over the templars; the templars have authority over the mages. Greagoir only permitted seven mages to serve at Ostagar. Irving even concedes that he has to make certain decisions as a matter of survival during the Magi Origin.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Eamon was revived with a mage.

Also Arl Howe/Loghain both kept mages around and they're some mages hanging around the Royal palace after you kill the archdemon. Even King Maric had a Wilhelm as his personal mage.

So I guess Nobles get to have the luxury of having a mage.

[Plaintiff]

Herr Uhl wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
There is no rule forbidding the use of magic for healing, the problem is accessibility. Plaintiff is one to overstate things fairly often.

That isn't a substantive distiction. That there isn't actually an explicit rule saying they can't do it, when there are a number of rules that have that effect, amounts to the same thing.

The fact that they actually do study healing magic would suggest they put it to use every now and then. If a noble falls ill or there is a huge plague, I'd assume they'd be utilized, under guard of course.

Saying that they're forbidden to do anything is an overstatement.

Yeah, you're right, I'll amend my statement.

Mages are forbidden from using their magic to help people, except when they are forced to use their magic to help people because the Chantry has arbitrarily decided that the situation warrants it.

[Rawgrim]

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.