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[Plaintiff]

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

People choose to join the military, or enroll in school. How is that distinction not obvious?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

I don't know where you live but in my school they don't chop my head off or make me zombie for that i may be dangerous and also i don't have dangerous fanatics who hate me next to me.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 07 juillet 2013 - 05:57 .

[Asdrubael Vect]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.
You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for.. than learn a bit..  than spend your time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep. everything FREE and guaranteed.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

1)i am not see any luxuy in  Circle. They have luxury only in their Chantry, Templars and enchanters rooms..BUT NO LUXURY IN POOR APRENTICE "BARRAKS"...90% of Circle mages live a very poor life.


2)every Circles have Formari who earn money for Circles with their work(potions, magic items and other expensive stuff) so Circles and their Aprentice NEVER have somethinc for free, only death by Templars(and mages do their Litany of Anralla, phylacterys, enchanted weapons and armor)


3)you sleep and wake up when Templars told,

you eat and drink when Templars told and what Templars give to you,

you will learn what Enchanters and Templars told you to learn, 1 mistake because of lack of knoledges what was allowed by Orlais Chantry can be a result of your death by Templars

you will do ALL what Templars want you to do...exept if you First Enchanter, when you will do only what DIvine and Grand Cleric with Templar KC want you to do.

you must survive in Harrowing or you must be Tranquil if they decide that you are not worthy for expensive Harrowing

you will never allowed to have relationships, have family and childrens

you will never have right to be noble, having own lands, leave and live outside Сircle if you are not Tranquil or have authority by Divine herself


if you think that this is not cruel so you are member of  Orlais Chantry or Qunari society and soon you would wiped by Tevinter Empire or be their slave.

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 07 juillet 2013 - 06:08 .

[dragondreamer]

Apparently some of the nobility employ their own personal mage, and some mages from wealthy families can live independently of the Circle if their family is willing to support them. It seems to depend on being able to afford your own private Templars to keep an eye on them.

But I assume the only healers available to common people are apostates.

The mages in the Circle seem to have a limited ability to serve in the military, if they don't get the rare chance to be chosen by the Grey Wardens. Other than that, they mentor apprentices, do scholarly work, or involve themselves in Circle administration and politics. There's also the making and selling of enchanted objects to support the Circle. That seems to be mostly run by the Tranquil, especially where enchanting is concerned, but the Kirkwall Circle gave me the impression that regular mages can do some work there.

[LobselVith8]

dragondreamer wrote...

Apparently some of the nobility employ their own personal mage, and some mages from wealthy families can live independently of the Circle if their family is willing to support them. It seems to depend on being able to afford your own private Templars to keep an eye on them

Wealthy apostates like Hawke and Gascard DuPuis live outside the Circle because the templars don't know they are illegal mages, and they apparently have enough clout and influence because of their wealth to help prevent anyone from finding out their clandestine nature as an apostate; otherwise, they would be forced to live in the Circle Tower.

[Rawgrim]

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

People choose to join the military, or enroll in school. How is that distinction not obvious?

In the US, yes. In plenty other countries, like the one I live in, military is mandatory. I was in the army for 12 months. Had no say in it. Never felt like a prison.

[Rawgrim]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

I don't know where you live but in my school they don't chop my head off or make me zombie for that i may be dangerous and also i don't have dangerous fanatics who hate me next to me.

No, but I am sure you live in a place where people who might kill alot of people in an instant are kept under supervision?

[Plaintiff]

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

People choose to join the military, or enroll in school. How is that distinction not obvious?

In the US, yes. In plenty other countries, like the one I live in, military is mandatory. I was in the army for 12 months. Had no say in it. Never felt like a prison.

Well, just because your country does it doesn't make it right. Whether or not a place "feels" like a prison on an individual level doesn't mean anything. If it functions like a prison, then calling it a prison is apt.

[MadCat221]

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

People choose to join the military, or enroll in school. How is that distinction not obvious?

In the US, yes. In plenty other countries, like the one I live in, military is mandatory. I was in the army for 12 months. Had no say in it. Never felt like a prison.

Was it mandatory because of some fluke of birth?

Doesit last your entire life?

Is it overseen by a group of addicts too eager to overstep and abuse their authority because no repercussions happen from it, and because they've been indoctrinated to see you as a dangerous thing (and not a person)?

[Plaintiff]

Rawgrim wrote...

No, but I am sure you live in a place where people who might kill alot of people in an instant are kept under supervision?

We call those people "everybody".

[dragondreamer]

Erm... Even the Mage Origin intro describes the Circle as a "gilded prison". The Ferelden Circle is very nice compared to some Circles, but it's still essentially a prison. You can't just come and go as you please if you decided you get tired of being locked up inside a tower. Even mages who get permission to leave for a period of time will eventually be hunted down and dealt with harshly if they don't return. You are constantly surrounded by Templars, and no matter how nice a few of them may seem, you can never forget they're there to kill you all if something goes wrong, or if someone even suspects something has gone wrong. And you better try to steer clear of the Templars who aren't so nice.

It's not a pleasant situation for mages who are taken from their families. But I think there are certainly some positive aspects for certain people who would have had a terrible life otherwise. My Surana would have had a very hard life in an alienage orphanage, and might not have lived to adulthood. In comparison, he was fed and educated in the Circle, and was very sheltered from realities an elf faced on the outside. Wynne is another example of an orphaned mage who had a rosier view of the Circle because it finally gave her a place where she belonged.

[Rawgrim]

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

People choose to join the military, or enroll in school. How is that distinction not obvious?

In the US, yes. In plenty other countries, like the one I live in, military is mandatory. I was in the army for 12 months. Had no say in it. Never felt like a prison.

Well, just because your country does it doesn't make it right. Whether or not a place "feels" like a prison on an individual level doesn't mean anything. If it functions like a prison, then calling it a prison is apt.

Well most people that has to go to the army has alot of fun. We were allowed to go into the city in during the weekends. Go to pubs or whatever every day after the training was done. You could even take classes in the evenings and get an education on the side. So No. It wasn`t a prison. Looks like you don`t know how a prison functions at all.

[dragondreamer]

LobselVith8 wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...

Apparently some of the nobility employ their own personal mage, and some mages from wealthy families can live independently of the Circle if their family is willing to support them. It seems to depend on being able to afford your own private Templars to keep an eye on them

Wealthy apostates like Hawke and Gascard DuPuis live outside the Circle because the templars don't know they are illegal mages, and they apparently have enough clout and influence because of their wealth to help prevent anyone from finding out their clandestine nature as an apostate; otherwise, they would be forced to live in the Circle Tower.

I didn't mean them; there was an item codex in DA2 about a mage girl from a wealthy family.  Her parents supported her after she went to the Circle and paid for her to have her own Templar guards so she could move freely outside.  I think they also used their money to get her made First Enchanter, but she tired of the job after about a year and moved to her own secluded mansion with her Templar guard.

There's also the mage from Shale's DLC, he lived with his family in that village, and according to Shale he was court mage to the Arl of Redcliffe, or something like that.  And he seemed to travel around a lot.  Though it's possible he was a hired apostate, since Eamon's family seems to do that...

[Plaintiff]

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

People choose to join the military, or enroll in school. How is that distinction not obvious?

In the US, yes. In plenty other countries, like the one I live in, military is mandatory. I was in the army for 12 months. Had no say in it. Never felt like a prison.

Well, just because your country does it doesn't make it right. Whether or not a place "feels" like a prison on an individual level doesn't mean anything. If it functions like a prison, then calling it a prison is apt.

Well most people that has to go to the army has alot of fun. We were allowed to go into the city in during the weekends. Go to pubs or whatever every day after the training was done. You could even take classes in the evenings and get an education on the side. So No. It wasn`t a prison. Looks like you don`t know how a prison functions at all.

You were the one comparing the military to a prison in the first place, I already said the comparison was disingenuous.

[Rawgrim]

MadCat221 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

People choose to join the military, or enroll in school. How is that distinction not obvious?

In the US, yes. In plenty other countries, like the one I live in, military is mandatory. I was in the army for 12 months. Had no say in it. Never felt like a prison.

Was it mandatory because of some fluke of birth?

Doesit last your entire life?

Is it overseen by a group of addicts too eager to overstep and abuse their authority because no repercussions happen from it, and because they've been indoctrinated to see you as a dangerous thing (and not a person)?

1. Well, yes. I was born in a coutnry that has mandatory army training for males so...I was born a healthy male. Fluke.

2. Kind of. If my country is at war with another one I would get called in and shipped out to war, yes.

3. Not all templars are eager to overstep and abuse their authority. Alot of them also see mages as a person. But of course there are some bad apples in both camps. Alot of mages just turns to blood magic by default as well, it seems. We saw plenty of that in DA2. And they did it mostly for attack, not for defence.

[Rawgrim]

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

People choose to join the military, or enroll in school. How is that distinction not obvious?

In the US, yes. In plenty other countries, like the one I live in, military is mandatory. I was in the army for 12 months. Had no say in it. Never felt like a prison.

Well, just because your country does it doesn't make it right. Whether or not a place "feels" like a prison on an individual level doesn't mean anything. If it functions like a prison, then calling it a prison is apt.

Well most people that has to go to the army has alot of fun. We were allowed to go into the city in during the weekends. Go to pubs or whatever every day after the training was done. You could even take classes in the evenings and get an education on the side. So No. It wasn`t a prison. Looks like you don`t know how a prison functions at all.

You were the one comparing the military to a prison in the first place, I already said the comparison was disingenuous.

"Fixed meal times and restricted activities sounds exactly like a prison to me"

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rawgrim wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

I don't know where you live but in my school they don't chop my head off or make me zombie for that i may be dangerous and also i don't have dangerous fanatics who hate me next to me.

No, but I am sure you live in a place where people who might kill alot of people in an instant are kept under supervision?

Every person might kill alot of peoples but i never heard that they got arrested because they might do something unless in some sick countries.

[LobselVith8]

Rawgrim wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Was it mandatory because of some fluke of birth?

Doesit last your entire life?

Is it overseen by a group of addicts too eager to overstep and abuse their authority because no repercussions happen from it, and because they've been indoctrinated to see you as a dangerous thing (and not a person)?

1. Well, yes. I was born in a coutnry that has mandatory army training for males so...I was born a healthy male. Fluke.

While templars have "dominion over mages by divine right", as the moderate Cullen stated in Act III. I take it that isn't the case in your country.

Rawgrim wrote...

2. Kind of. If my country is at war with another one I would get called in and shipped out to war, yes.

That isn't the same as all mages being forced to live in servitude to the Chantry for almost a millennia in the Chantry controlled Circles.

Rawgrim wrote...

3. Not all templars are eager to overstep and abuse their authority. Alot of them also see mages as a person. But of course there are some bad apples in both camps. Alot of mages just turns to blood magic by default as well, it seems. We saw plenty of that in DA2. And they did it mostly for attack, not for defence. 

Which still doesn't give templars the right to control mages simply because they think the Maker gives them divine authority over mages. As for the issue of blood magic, there are some mages who turn to blood magic because templars can nulify their abilities otherwise when they use ordinary magic.

[Rawgrim]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

I don't know where you live but in my school they don't chop my head off or make me zombie for that i may be dangerous and also i don't have dangerous fanatics who hate me next to me.

No, but I am sure you live in a place where people who might kill alot of people in an instant are kept under supervision?

Every person might kill alot of peoples but i never heard that they got arrested because they might do something unless in some sick countries.

Well I am sure if some people could summon demons, mind-control people, and whatsnot...They might be considered more dangerous than an average unarmed Joe. Even if it was in a sick country.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rawgrim wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...
*Prison* is very big overstatement. mages have more luxury in towers than 97% civilians in thedas.

1) This is never stated in-game ever by anyone.

2) "Luxury" does not qualify a prison. Some prisons are extremely luxurious.

You wake up in 8:00 am.. you eat... than you learn a bit.. than eat again for free.. than learn a bit..  than spend your free time with another mages... than eat again for free and go to sleep.
doesnt seem like very cruel life to me.

Fixed meal times and restricted activities sound exactly like prison life to me.

Schools and the military has similar set-ups. Doesn`t make them prisons.

I don't know where you live but in my school they don't chop my head off or make me zombie for that i may be dangerous and also i don't have dangerous fanatics who hate me next to me.

No, but I am sure you live in a place where people who might kill alot of people in an instant are kept under supervision?

Every person might kill alot of peoples but i never heard that they got arrested because they might do something unless in some sick countries.

Well I am sure if some people could summon demons, mind-control people, and whatsnot...They might be considered more dangerous than an average unarmed Joe. Even if it was in a sick country.

Peoples can create homemade bomb easily ,they can read even in internet that , take lighter and hair spray and you have flamethrower , go buy gun in black market yep they can do a lot damage.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 07 juillet 2013 - 06:46 .

[MadCat221]

Rawgrim wrote...

Well I am sure if some people could summon demons, mind-control people, and whatsnot...They might be considered more dangerous than an average unarmed Joe. Even if it was in a sick country.

A Mage *Might* do such things.

The Templars *Are* committing their atrocities.  Listed again in case they're forgotten: Unjustified tranqulizations, rape, abuse, treatment as less than people...  Why is this being allowed by the Templars that "don't" do those?

Modifié par MadCat221, 07 juillet 2013 - 06:46 .

[Rawgrim]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Was it mandatory because of some fluke of birth?

Doesit last your entire life?

Is it overseen by a group of addicts too eager to overstep and abuse their authority because no repercussions happen from it, and because they've been indoctrinated to see you as a dangerous thing (and not a person)?

1. Well, yes. I was born in a coutnry that has mandatory army training for males so...I was born a healthy male. Fluke.

While templars have "dominion over mages by divine right", as the moderate Cullen stated in Act III. I take it that isn't the case in your country.

Rawgrim wrote...

2. Kind of. If my country is at war with another one I would get called in and shipped out to war, yes.

That isn't the same as all mages being forced to live in servitude to the Chantry for almost a millennia in the Chantry controlled Circles.

Rawgrim wrote...

3. Not all templars are eager to overstep and abuse their authority. Alot of them also see mages as a person. But of course there are some bad apples in both camps. Alot of mages just turns to blood magic by default as well, it seems. We saw plenty of that in DA2. And they did it mostly for attack, not for defence. 

Which still doesn't give templars the right to control mages simply because they think the Maker gives them divine authority over mages. As for the issue of blood magic, there are some mages who turn to blood magic because templars can nulify their abilities otherwise when they use ordinary magic.

This is because religion and politics don`t mix. and I agree with that 100 percent. BUT its not all black and white. Look at the damage Connor did in Redcliffe. The danger with mages is an extreme one.

[MadCat221]

Rawgrim wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Was it mandatory because of some fluke of birth?

Doesit last your entire life?

Is it overseen by a group of addicts too eager to overstep and abuse their authority because no repercussions happen from it, and because they've been indoctrinated to see you as a dangerous thing (and not a person)?

1. Well, yes. I was born in a coutnry that has mandatory army training for males so...I was born a healthy male. Fluke.

While templars have "dominion over mages by divine right", as the moderate Cullen stated in Act III. I take it that isn't the case in your country.

Rawgrim wrote...

2. Kind of. If my country is at war with another one I would get called in and shipped out to war, yes.

That isn't the same as all mages being forced to live in servitude to the Chantry for almost a millennia in the Chantry controlled Circles.

Rawgrim wrote...

3. Not all templars are eager to overstep and abuse their authority. Alot of them also see mages as a person. But of course there are some bad apples in both camps. Alot of mages just turns to blood magic by default as well, it seems. We saw plenty of that in DA2. And they did it mostly for attack, not for defence. 

Which still doesn't give templars the right to control mages simply because they think the Maker gives them divine authority over mages. As for the issue of blood magic, there are some mages who turn to blood magic because templars can nulify their abilities otherwise when they use ordinary magic.

This is because religion and politics don`t mix. and I agree with that 100 percent. BUT its not all black and white. Look at the damage Connor did in Redcliffe. The danger with mages is an extreme one.

Then educate them.  Don't grind their face into the dirt and then stamp a boot into their head.

Modifié par MadCat221, 07 juillet 2013 - 06:49 .

[Rawgrim]

[quote]MadCat221 wrote...

[quote]Rawgrim wrote...

[/quote]

Well I am sure if some people could summon demons, mind-control people, and whatsnot...They might be considered more dangerous than an average unarmed Joe. Even if it was in a sick country.

[/quote]

A Mage *Might* do such things.

The Templars *Are* committing their atrocities.  Listed again in case they're forgotten: Unjustified tranqulizations, rape, abuse, treatment as less than people...  Why is this being allowed by the Templars that "don't" do those?
[/quote]

Some templars ARE doing this yes. And some mages ARE summoning demons and whatsnot too. Not sure how many we run into in the DA games, but its probably close to 200 haywire mages. They even attacked Hawke even if he publicly supported them. Go figure.

[Plaintiff]

Rawgrim wrote...
"Fixed meal times and restricted activities sounds exactly like a prison to me"

How am I wrong? That is precisely what prison life typically involves. 

The fact that other institutions might employ a similar structure is largely irrelevent. As I already said, the distinction between prisons and school/military is obvious. I shouldn't need to say "Oh and also you don't have a choice about whether you stay there or not", that is already clear to anyone who isn't a complete dunce.