Qistina wrote...
I am not European and not historian, but i do read western literature such as King Arthur, Ivan Hoe, Robin Hood and so on also watching movies and documentaries.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Yeah, I wouldn't put much stock in learning historical facts from popular litelature and movies.
They are known to propage untold myths and lies... ESPECIALLY on the middle ages
Qistina wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Yeah, I wouldn't put much stock in learning historical facts from popular litelature and movies.
They are known to propage untold myths and lies... ESPECIALLY on the middle ages
But sure medieval Europe don't have a university until Muslims conquering Spain and Constantinople. Europe at that time was in Dark Age, "salvation comes only through the Church and Jesus Christ", science is banned until Muslims who brought it all into Europe. All those Muslim scholars are having European/Latin names such as Averroes, Geber, Avicenna ect. Averroes who bring reasoning to Europeans and spark intellectualism and later Christians move into rationalism movement
That is a fact.
No, it is not.
Science was never "banned"
It was often suppressed or abandoned. Qistina is completely right about Ibn Rushd and Ibn Sina.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No, it is not.
Science was never "banned"
Qistina wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Yeah, I wouldn't put much stock in learning historical facts from popular litelature and movies.
They are known to propage untold myths and lies... ESPECIALLY on the middle ages
But sure medieval Europe don't have a university until Muslims conquering Spain and Constantinople. Europe at that time was in Dark Age, "salvation comes only through the Church and Jesus Christ", science is banned until Muslims who brought it all into Europe. All those Muslim scholars are having European/Latin names such as Averroes, Geber, Avicenna ect. Averroes who bring reasoning to Europeans and spark intellectualism and later Christians move into rationalism movement
That is a fact.
Only when you could appease the bureaucracy.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
The medieval scientific scene was not as black and white as that. Only some specific scientific fields were frowned upon, but only a very select few were ever banned, and you could often get a permit to actually make some research within those fields anyway.
That is a fair assessment.And while it is true that the Muslims did bring with them a lot of technological and scientific advances into Europe, mainly through Spain, that was more because the Eastern Roman Empire didn't fall until 1452, and the technological advances of the Roman Empire had lived on in the east, while they had been forgotten in the west, along with the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
Well, much stim-cell research is also widely banned nowadays, but we allow a certain few scientists to research the field. I'm sure these few scientists would also have to wade through a milehigh sea of bureaucracy and redtape to even be considered to be allowed to do the research.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Only when you could appease the bureaucracy.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
The medieval scientific scene was not as black and white as that. Only some specific scientific fields were frowned upon, but only a very select few were ever banned, and you could often get a permit to actually make some research within those fields anyway.
Depends what country you're in. And restricting funding is not the same as banning it.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Well, much stim-cell research is also widely banned nowadays
That doesn't make it okay.Science which is deemed dangerous or unethical has always been banned by the powers that be, past, present and probably also future.
I would say it depends on the actual danger of the research and how unethical it is. However, i was not trying to justify the actions, I was trying to point out the pattern, and then clarify that it was not a trend unique to the time period in question.Sylvius the Mad wrote...
That doesn't make it okay.Science which is deemed dangerous or unethical has always been banned by the powers that be, past, present and probably also future.
I disagree. Whether it's okay to do that research is determined by those factors. Whether it is okay to ban it is not.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
I would say it depends on the actual danger of the research and how unethical it is.
I fail to see the relevance of that lack of uniqueness.However, i was not trying to justify the actions, I was trying to point out the pattern, and then clarify that it was not a trend unique to the time period in question.
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