Just finished a play through of ME1. I let the Council die and made Udina Councilor. I had never tried that combo before. Well Udina gives this speech about humanity leading the fight against the reapers. He is totally invested in believing the reapers are real. By the time you get the ME2, however, he does a complete 180. WTF?
What happened to Udina btw ME1 and ME2?
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, juil. 07 2013 05:07
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Posté 07 juillet 2013 - 06:08
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They retconned it, just like they retconned the Original Council believing you at the end of ME1.Then you og to ME2, and they are all like Ah yes, "reapers".
It is supposed to be an excuse for working With Cerberus I think. If the counil and alliance believed you, Cerberus the argument for Cerberus wouldn't be as strong.
The same happens With The VS. In ME1 they believe everything you do. Kaidan even says he feels they are not getting enough help from the Council. Then in ME2, the VS suddenly thinks the reapers are just a myth cerberus conjured up to get you to work with them.
It is supposed to be an excuse for working With Cerberus I think. If the counil and alliance believed you, Cerberus the argument for Cerberus wouldn't be as strong.
The same happens With The VS. In ME1 they believe everything you do. Kaidan even says he feels they are not getting enough help from the Council. Then in ME2, the VS suddenly thinks the reapers are just a myth cerberus conjured up to get you to work with them.
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Posté 07 juillet 2013 - 06:09
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YouKnowMyName wrote...
They retconned it, just like they retconned the Original Council believing you at the end of ME1.Then you og to ME2, and they are all like Ah yes, "reapers".
It is supposed to be an excuse for working With Cerberus I think. If the counil and alliance believed you, the argument for working for Cerberus wouldn't be as strong.
The same happens With The VS. In ME1 they believe everything you do. Kaidan even says he feels you are not getting enough help from the Council. Then in ME2, the VS suddenly thinks the reapers are just a myth cerberus conjured up to get you to work with them.
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Posté 07 juillet 2013 - 06:12
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Sorry for double post, it was an accident.
As for an in-universe reason I don't know. I guess it could be it was all just politics for Udina, and that he felt like the reaper threat would be a good motivator for people to accept the human-lead Council.
Then, as the years went by, he changed his mind, and began seeing the reapers as just a myth a deceased spectre had made to stir up trouble.
As for an in-universe reason I don't know. I guess it could be it was all just politics for Udina, and that he felt like the reaper threat would be a good motivator for people to accept the human-lead Council.
Then, as the years went by, he changed his mind, and began seeing the reapers as just a myth a deceased spectre had made to stir up trouble.
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Posté 07 juillet 2013 - 07:06
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The way I see it is, shepard was the only person pursuing the reapers with full force. When he/she died n there was no activity from the reapers (according to the alliance, even though the collectors was abducting human colonies) they dismissed the reaper threat as an isolated incident. If they could ignore the bigger threat of the reapers being an army as opposed to just sovereign, then in their minds it would go away. I think this is 1 of the biggest annoyances a lot of ppl had with the council n udina in ME2, myself included. After several playthru's I take their ignorance as them being afraid of the possibilitiy of being wiped out by a race of machines. Again if they ignore it then it will go away.
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Posté 08 juillet 2013 - 05:27
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It's a basic societal condition of public consensus and disbelief overriding what is known to be true until it is no longer true. With the original council dead and Udina's control resting on humanity's saving of the citidel, that hold would become tenuous over time if it relied on the idea of a supernatural race of living machines who would destroy the galaxy. The Geth invaded Alliance space, with Saren out their helm. Thus Sovereign is explained away as being a warship of Saren/Geth design.
With a lack of continuous reinforcement, the unbelievable is pushed back into the realm of disbelief. It is a self-defence mechanism of the public psyche. You can see examples of it all the time in stories. Displays of real magic i.e. Merlin, are publicly derided by the general consensus that "magic doesn't exist", and are continuously reinforced to the point that even believers start to doubt themselves. To think otherwise would label you as an outsider of general public opinion.
Decisions are made on what is tangible, what is real. With all evidence of a Reaper threat being non existent (the few pieces of Sovereign being no more than a destroyed warship), the more realistic explanation of a Saren/Geth invasion makes more sense. Thus it is the overriding logic that becomes fact to everyone involved.
With a lack of continuous reinforcement, the unbelievable is pushed back into the realm of disbelief. It is a self-defence mechanism of the public psyche. You can see examples of it all the time in stories. Displays of real magic i.e. Merlin, are publicly derided by the general consensus that "magic doesn't exist", and are continuously reinforced to the point that even believers start to doubt themselves. To think otherwise would label you as an outsider of general public opinion.
Decisions are made on what is tangible, what is real. With all evidence of a Reaper threat being non existent (the few pieces of Sovereign being no more than a destroyed warship), the more realistic explanation of a Saren/Geth invasion makes more sense. Thus it is the overriding logic that becomes fact to everyone involved.
Modifié par Gorakka, 08 juillet 2013 - 05:28 .
