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[BaladasDemnevanni]

^ Much appreciated.

[Kel Riever]

J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I think this thread proves that Bioware should just end the ME IP and just make a new one

Preferably one that's not marketed as a role-playing game and has no romance.

Uh, no.  I prefer these things. 

What I don't prefer is them done badly.  Just saying.  Honestly, I think EABioWare heading the direction of Halo is a bad idea.  Because Halo already does Halo better.

And I like my Halo.  Mmmn, mmn good.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 08 juillet 2013 - 04:48 .

[The Heretic of Time]

J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I think this thread proves that Bioware should just end the ME IP and just make a new one

Preferably one that's not marketed as a role-playing game and has no romance.

Amen.

[The Heretic of Time]

J. Reezy wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

in Super Mario Bros, jumping, running and shooting fire-balls are game-mechanics. Reaching the end of a level without falling into a pit or running into an enemy is gameplay.

Weird. Your professors have a different concept of what encompasses gameplay than what mine did.

I might have oversimplified my explanation. I'm not very good at explaining things while also trying to use as few words as possible, I admit that much.

What did your professors teach you?

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 08 juillet 2013 - 04:57 .

[The Heretic of Time]

dreamgazer wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

In other words, what I just said in a few sentences rather than a few paragraphs.

Also, don't trust Wikipedia. It's not always accurate. In this case it is though.

Fully aware of how to "properly" use Wikipedia, Hanar, but thanks.

I thought having a third-party, non-biased explanation---with some added expounding to get the point across---would help the conversation along.

Your intentions were good and the Wiki article (although lenghty and rather verbose) might indeed have cleared up a few things for a few people, so you have my grattitude.

[Seboist]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Seboist wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Fun as they are, games like Super Mario will never say anything profound about anything.

I take Super Mario more seriously than a "serious" game where someone is brought back from the dead without anybody caring(ME2).

I'm so happy for you.

It's also funny how a joke game like Saints Row 3 provides more compelling reasons why the player is recruiting people than ME2.

Modifié par Seboist, 08 juillet 2013 - 05:06 .

[Kel Riever]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I think this thread proves that Bioware should just end the ME IP and just make a new one

Preferably one that's not marketed as a role-playing game and has no romance.

Uh, no.  I prefer these things. 

What I don't prefer is them done badly.  Just saying.  Honestly, I think EABioWare heading the direction of Halo is a bad idea.  Because Halo already does Halo better.

And I like my Halo.  Mmmn, mmn good.

I certainly don't want another Halo; the Halo we do have bores me to tears.

I do.  Because I don't look for story from Halo.  I look for multiplayer pew pew pew.  And for that, Halo is far superior, as far as I'm concerned, than ME3 and Fool of Duty.  Which is Halo anyway, wearing camoflauge.  Because in real life, you do not regenerate bullet wounds by hiding.

Anyway, I don't need more of the same product.  If you want me to shoot stuff, than make that game.  If you want me to enjoy the story, then do that.  If there are crossover elements than fine.  And while I may like one more than the other, I do not need a litany of exactly the same effing game every time I look at a selection in a store.  Which is exactly the way it has been going for years.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 08 juillet 2013 - 05:03 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Seboist wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Seboist wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Fun as they are, games like Super Mario will never say anything profound about anything.

I take Super Mario more seriously than a "serious" game where someone is brought back from the dead without anybody caring(ME2).

I'm so happy for you.

It's also funny how a joke game like Saints Row 3 provides more compelling reasons why the player is recruiting people than ME2.

Yeah there is actually a good reason why you recruit Oleg, Kinzie, Angel, Zimos and Viola in Saints Row 3, where as in Mass Effect 2 they only provide you with a good reason to recruit Mordin and that's it.

Well, maybe Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed are also reasonable recruits because you need a lot of muscles and firepower, which those 3 provide. But recruiting characters like Kasumi or Thane is just dumb and nonsensical.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 08 juillet 2013 - 05:09 .

[Sir DeLoria]

J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I think this thread proves that Bioware should just end the ME IP and just make a new one

Preferably one that's not marketed as a role-playing game and has no romance.

Call of Duty Reaper Invasion?

[The Heretic of Time]

Necanor wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I think this thread proves that Bioware should just end the ME IP and just make a new one

Preferably one that's not marketed as a role-playing game and has no romance.

Call of Duty Reaper Invasion?

Will people shut the f*** up about Call of Duty already?

Seriously, sometimes I wonder if the average BioWare forumite even has a game library that is bigger than 2 games. There are more games in the world dan the Mass Effect series and Call of Duty. ; Not necessarily every game without roleplaying or romances is Call of Duty, and not every game with roleplaying and romances is automatically Mass Effect.  There are more games that do a better job at both than Mass Effect or Call of Duty.

[Sir DeLoria]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Yeah there is actually a good reason why you recruit Oleg, Kinzie, Angel, Zimos and Viola in Saints Row 3, where as in Mass Effect 2 they only provide you with a good reason to recruit Mordin and that's it.

Well, maybe Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed are also reasonable recruits because you need a lot of muscles and firepower, which those 3 provide. But recruiting characters like Kasumi or Thane is just dumb and nonsensical.

Tali, because you need a tech expert and the Normandy needs more competent engineers. Samara because biotics are vital. That's it.

[The Heretic of Time]

Necanor wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Yeah there is actually a good reason why you recruit Oleg, Kinzie, Angel, Zimos and Viola in Saints Row 3, where as in Mass Effect 2 they only provide you with a good reason to recruit Mordin and that's it.

Well, maybe Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed are also reasonable recruits because you need a lot of muscles and firepower, which those 3 provide. But recruiting characters like Kasumi or Thane is just dumb and nonsensical.

Tali, because you need a tech expert and the Normandy needs more competent engineers. Samara because biotics are vital. That's it.

You don't know whether you do or do not need a better tech expert before you start with the suicide mission. Only during the mission do you discover that a tech expert comes in handy. Same with biotics.

But sure, I'm in a generous mood today, so I'll add Tali and Samara/Jack to that list. Still my point about Thane and Kasumi still stands.

[Sir DeLoria]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Necanor wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
I think this thread proves that Bioware should just end the ME IP and just make a new one

Preferably one that's not marketed as a role-playing game and has no romance.

Call of Duty Reaper Invasion?

Will people shut the f*** up about Call of Duty already?
Seriously, sometimes I wonder if the average BioWare forumite even has a game library that is bigger than 2 games. There are more games in the world dan the Mass Effect series and Call of Duty. ; Not necessarily every game without roleplaying or romances is Call of Duty, and not every game with roleplaying and romances is automatically Mass Effect.  There are more games that do a better job at both than Mass Effect or Call of Duty.

Point is, that there are enough Call of Duty, action shoot-em-ups already. Why adapt a perfectly fine series? They just need to improve the writting. Should all games just be the same now?

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Yeah there is actually a good reason why you recruit Oleg, Kinzie, Angel, Zimos and Viola in Saints Row 3, where as in Mass Effect 2 they only provide you with a good reason to recruit Mordin and that's it.

Well, maybe Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed are also reasonable recruits because you need a lot of muscles and firepower, which those 3 provide. But recruiting characters like Kasumi or Thane is just dumb and nonsensical.

Tali, because you need a tech expert and the Normandy needs more competent engineers. Samara because biotics are vital. That's it.

You don't know whether you do or do not need a better tech expert before you start with the suicide mission. Only during the mission do you discover that a tech expert comes in handy. Same with biotics.

But sure, I'm in a generous mood today, so I'll add Tali and Samara/Jack to that list. Still my point about Thane and Kasumi still stands.

Still, why would this be more of an issue with biotics/tech vs. sheer firepower? I ask because above you cleared Grunt/Garrus as being in that category. Biotics and tech both clearly have their place in combat situations, both from a gameplay and narrative perspective just as much as raw firepower.

Thane, despite being a great character, was straight up useless for everything. Kasumi however could fill as a tech expert, if I remember right.

[Sir DeLoria]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
You don't know whether you do or do not need a better tech expert before you start with the suicide mission. Only during the mission do you discover that a tech expert comes in handy. Same with biotics.

But sure, I'm in a generous mood today, so I'll add Tali and Samara/Jack to that list. Still my point about Thane and Kasumi still stands.

True. Kasumi, Thane and Legion were unnecessary. 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Seboist wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Seboist wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Fun as they are, games like Super Mario will never say anything profound about anything.

I take Super Mario more seriously than a "serious" game where someone is brought back from the dead without anybody caring(ME2).

I'm so happy for you.

It's also funny how a joke game like Saints Row 3 provides more compelling reasons why the player is recruiting people than ME2.

Couldn't speak for it. I lost interest in Saint's Row once they revealed they abandoned the Dex storyline.

ME2 however managed to produce Bioware's best cast of characters, DA:O aside, so I think I'll stick to my guns on that one.  

[Redbelle]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Yeah, Thane's completely incapable of doing any task on the SM without getting somebody killed; he's pure dead weight.

He was feeling poorly that day.

You hired a terminally ill reptile man!

Be nice to him or he won't rate your Shepard well on assess your commander day.

And when in doubt....... Blame Brookes.

[The Heretic of Time]

Necanor wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Necanor wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
I think this thread proves that Bioware should just end the ME IP and just make a new one

Preferably one that's not marketed as a role-playing game and has no romance.

Call of Duty Reaper Invasion?

Will people shut the f*** up about Call of Duty already?
Seriously, sometimes I wonder if the average BioWare forumite even has a game library that is bigger than 2 games. There are more games in the world dan the Mass Effect series and Call of Duty. ; Not necessarily every game without roleplaying or romances is Call of Duty, and not every game with roleplaying and romances is automatically Mass Effect.  There are more games that do a better job at both than Mass Effect or Call of Duty.

Point is, that there are enough Call of Duty, action shoot-em-ups already. Why adapt a perfectly fine series? They just need to improve the writting. Should all games just be the same now?

You're not getting it. Who said anything about Call of Duty? Only you and other people who oppose the idea of a non-RPG Mass Effect do. And again, I will repeat, not every non-RPG is automatically like Call of Duty. 

A non-RPG Mass Effect =/= action shoot-em-up like Call of Duty.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Necanor wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
You don't know whether you do or do not need a better tech expert before you start with the suicide mission. Only during the mission do you discover that a tech expert comes in handy. Same with biotics.

But sure, I'm in a generous mood today, so I'll add Tali and Samara/Jack to that list. Still my point about Thane and Kasumi still stands.

True. Kasumi, Thane and Legion were unnecessary. 

Keep in mind, you don't go out of your way to recruit Legion. He just falls in your lap, which is pretty typical for Bioware characters. Thane really is the stand out useless character of the cast.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 08 juillet 2013 - 05:25 .

[AresKeith]

Necanor wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
You don't know whether you do or do not need a better tech expert before you start with the suicide mission. Only during the mission do you discover that a tech expert comes in handy. Same with biotics.

But sure, I'm in a generous mood today, so I'll add Tali and Samara/Jack to that list. Still my point about Thane and Kasumi still stands.

True. Kasumi, Thane and Legion were unnecessary. 

Legion is another tech expert similar to Tali if you don't recruit her