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[Enigmatick]

Trista Hawke wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Some I to understand that someone read Saga got all hot for Marko and came to BSN so they could make a thread saying they want a Ox-men husbando?

If that's the case I want one of  those T.V headed aliens in Mass Effect and the Lying Cat as waifu.

 

I was just using Marko as an example of a similar looking type of race (horns) that is well advertised as a romantic interest. 

I think it's possible to make a Qunari "dashing".

Well he has a wife and all. I just want Lying Cat.

[Ashelsu]

Blackrising wrote...

I'd rather not have a prettied-up Qunari.
(Actually, I'd like to have some more 'plain' or simply interesting-looking (like the Qunari) LIs in general. Not everyone has to be conventionally beautiful.)
The Qunari are so interesting and appealing BECAUSE they are so different, both in looks and in personality/upbringing. Having a Qunari male or female that was, for some reason, smaller, less muscular and more boyishly handsome than the others would...I don't know, I guess it would feel incredibly forced.

They did it for Merrill and Fenris, however. The only pretty elves in Thedas just happened to bump into Hawke, imagine that.

Modifié par Ashelsu, 09 juillet 2013 - 05:05 .

[Magdalena11]

I got a real kick out of traveling with and talking to Sten in DAO and since he's technically Tal-vashoth he might be available at least as a companion. I'm not sure if I'd like to romance him but he was a blast to have around.

[Patchwork]

Maraas(?) could be interesting.

[Grog Muffins]

Trista Hawke wrote...

I really cannot understand the "fetish" aspect of it either, especially considering everyone's love for Garrus - and let's not forget Thane. Both are total alien-aliens. Not Spock-aliens, and definitely not Superman-aliens. They are, indeed, painfully obvious aliens. And yet the PC in Mass Effect is allowed to sex them up with no issues whatsoever.

You need to consider the social and cultural aspects of the universes presented in both series. Mass Effect hasn't shown us any sort of prejudice involving inter-species relationships. All species we encounter are free to sex up any member of a differing species, as long as there's no hate between the two or other reasons that prevent it.

For example:
1. The Krogan are desperate for living, healthy children, so they're not going to waste their opportunity to reproduce pursuing a race they may not be genetically compatible with (everyone besides Asari, as those are the only Krogan/other species couples we've seen thus far) or hate with a burning passion (Turians and Salarians).
2. The Quarians need to keep their numbers up but also have to impose restrictions on the number of childern a family can have because they don't have unlimited space. Also for the sake of keeping numbers up, I doubt too many Quarians left the Flotilla for good to have a family with Turians, for example (prior to reclaiming Rannoch).
3. The Batarians pretty much hate everyone (prior to almost being obliterated by the Reapers in ME3, anyway).
4. Humans are still relatively new to the galactic community, so there's some reluctance towards the unknown and untested. It will slowly dissipate until it's completely gone, though, as we've seen by various Human/other races couples we've encountered.

The only species in ME that actively pursues relationships resulting in offspring with other species are the Asari, and we have the cultural (and medical) explanation as to why that is.

Comparing the ME cultural and social climate to the DA one, inter-species relationships are pretty rare in Thedas. Humans have their superiority complex so it'd be disgraceful to have a legitimate relationship with an elf or a dwarf and they think Qunari are heathens, dwarves like their issolation, elves hate humans, Qunari think Bas are beneath them etc. Now, I'm not saying these sort of relationships don't exist. They just aren't the norm for the reasons I previously stated and cultural/societal pressure is a hard thing to combat/ignore in a medieval setting.

Modifié par Destiny_1989, 09 juillet 2013 - 05:39 .

[Danny Boy 7]

Trista Hawke wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

Seriously. I'm not even sure if Garrus has genitalia, or a pelvis for that matter...

LOL  But yeah, not to sh|t on Garrus fans, but it is weird and... pardon my pre-school attitude... not fair!

The goat fella in your OP and the "pretty" qunari posted a few posts above this one are very attractive, indeed. However, I'm perfectly fine with the "less than attractive" model that the qunari possess now. They are not handsome guys. But they are intriguing, and I can only imagine what a romance arc with one would be like.

Hey, after I romanced Garrus, a Qunari seems downright "closer to home."  After hordes of female gamers (including me) went around requesting an LI as vague as "malien" for no other reason than "guys got Liara!" I've never understood why a Qunari should be considered the least bit fetishistic in comparison. 

 

I really cannot understand the "fetish" aspect of it either, especially considering everyone's love for Garrus - and let's not forget Thane. Both are total alien-aliens. Not Spock-aliens, and definitely not Superman-aliens. They are, indeed, painfully obvious aliens. And yet the PC in Mass Effect is allowed to sex them up with no issues whatsoever.

Moving away from that topic, one could debate there's an element of "fetishism" with numerous female LI's from Dragon Age. Morrigan gives off the BDSM fetish if I ever saw one. (I often wondered what all those chains/belts hanging from her armor could be used for). Merrill is an obvious elf fetish, plus she appears a bit "barely legal" so there's that whole "oooh she looks young" fetish. Leliana - easy. Red head fetish. It might be a weak fetish, but there are some serious red head fans out there. They take that sh*t to the next level! hehe. Isabella is like a foil ball of fetishes (slu*ty, dominatrix-y, keen on group sex) - take your pick. Though between Isabella and Morrigan, both exhibit a very obvious fetish: huge breasts. 

A male Kossith/Qunari LI, at best, represents some kind of horned fetish I guess. In my opinion, their horns just make them look like Vikings, not animals. I would not go so far as to say they represent a beastiality fetish or anything. It's not like fans are making goo-goo eyes at hallas or something. (ew). Kossith/Qun look like regular people who just never take their horned helmets off, you know? Other than that, their bodies are completely man-like, right down to their pro-wrestler nipples. Seriously. heheh

I'm kind of confused as to why David Gaider would call it a fetish, unless of course he was targeting the crowd demanding a female Qunari/Kossith. Sometimes the demand over something female can seem "fetish-like" but I don't know. It still seems far fetched to accuse people of being perverts all because they're attracted to a mythical race that appears incredibly humanlike - minus the pair of horns. 

Hopefully this thread reveals to devs the growing interest fans have in the ox-men race. (I still have no idea what to freaking call them...) And whether the LI is male, female, or Bioware hands us both (yes, please) - we should really "deprogram" the mentality that a romantic affinity for Qunari/Kossiths = pervy and wrong. 

I think the romance isn't the issue to Mr. Gaider it's the idea that that is the sole reason we want them them. Now don't take this as me speaking on his behalf, it's just my personal interpretation of what he said in the last qunari romance thread which didn't end well I might add.

If we want them solely because they are big grey giants they're not interested. At least that's my interpretation which might be completely off. I can understand because there is more to the characters than just the romance but that seems to get outshined by the romance.

[Danny Boy 7]

@Trista Don't get me wrong I don't entirely agree with that potential viewing of the situation and again I can't stress enough how wrong I could be in my interpretation of the situation.

I think the question is, if we're primarily looking for a romance with someone accustomed to the Qunari religion why couldn't we use a third or fourth generation "human" qunari? What fundamentally changes? What separates the Avvar from Fereldens?

All I can say is that I would like a female qunari romance...although it would technically be tal'vashoth because to this point we've heard only from the military arm and a convert who wasn't even entirely sure of her alignment.

The idea of hearing from a tassmarran, someone who has first hand knowledge of all of Qunari society interests me but then to see how someone could go from such a clinical view of intimacy to developing feelings for someone of a different race even if they're not sexual is fascinating to me

[Magdalena11]

I'm personally intrigued by the possibility of a Kossith rogue. They must exist in some form or another but except for Tallis and her debatable position in Qun society, we haven't seen one yet.

[PlasmaCheese]

Qunari - Followers of the Qun. I basically see it as calling someone Christian because they believe in the Bible.
Kossith - Their actual race

Now, I could be wrong here, but in DA2 the use of the word "Ox-men" actually seemed derogatory because they could've easily just called them Qunari (in Thedas the term "Kossith" isn't widely known).

"However, the label "Qunari" more accurately refers to a follower of the religious text known as the Qun, regardless of his or her race--hence the capitalization of the name in many texts. The horned race's ancient name is "kossith.""

There you go. =D

[Lennard Testarossa]

Sounds interesting. I'd actually be quite interested in an Ox-man romance for one of my female playthroughs. Might be related to the fact that Sten and the Arishok were among the most interesting characters in their respective games.

On a side note:

Are Kossith a race or are they a species? That is, can Kossith actually have children with humans, elves or dwarves?

On that matter, can dwarves have children with humans or elves?

[Qyla]

So...they should redesign Kossith so they would fit properly the LI role? This is why Gaider said no, and insisting won't make him say yes.

[Maria Caliban]

Face of Evil wrote...

Don't qunari all have giant equipment that can crush a woman's insides and cause internal bleeding? I'm pretty sure I read that in a fanfic somewhere.

Crush a human woman's insides, cause internal bleeding, and bring about massive orgasms.

The funny thing is that women are the ones writing these stories.

PlasmaCheese wrote...

Qunari - Followers of the Qun. I basically see it as calling someone Christian because they believe in the Bible.
Kossith - Their actual race

It's their race in the same way that 'Scotsman' is my race.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 09 juillet 2013 - 07:45 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Qyla wrote...

So...they should redesign Kossith so they would fit properly the LI role? This is why Gaider said no, and insisting won't make him say yes.

Did someone in this thread say that? And if so, is it the prevailing sentiment expressed here? I think you are making things up, friend 

So far most (if not everyone) in this thread are asking for / wondering about a male qunari LI. I even specified in one post that they should not change AT ALL. Several people have mentioned pre-existing qunari characters like the Arishok or Sten, and I would add Maraas.

We like them for them, not for what they could be twisted into.

[PlasmaCheese]

@Maria Caliban

I've gotta say.. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. ;_; Seeing as Scotsman isn't a race. It is stated that their race is called Kossith, but the name isn't widely recognized in Thedas.

[Maria Caliban]

PlasmaCheese wrote...

@Maria Caliban

I've gotta say.. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. ;_; Seeing as Scotsman isn't a race. It is stated that their race is called Kossith, but the name isn't widely recognized in Thedas.

'It is stated?'

That's the reason English teachers have besmirched passive sentence structure for almost a century now. Here's how to phrase it actively: 'The developers have said the term kossith is not the correct one to use.'

Mary Kirby wrote...

"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all.

David Gaider wrote...

...If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari. Members of their religion who are not also part of the horned race are generally called Viddathari...

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 09 juillet 2013 - 08:42 .

[CuriousArtemis]

I tend to say "Qunari" to refer to one who follows the Qun, and "qunari" to reference the actual race of people.