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[Grog Muffins]

Fraq Hound wrote...
I agree 100%

Qunari are attractive and they spawn from an interesting culture that everyone here on the forums wants to know more about.

A romance with a male or female Qunari would be awesome and IMO the most interesting Romance that could be written in this franchise as it currently stands.

Since this topic isn't really about Qunari as culture, but about the ox-men specifically, I'll ask this: Considering they are both born into the religion, therefore experience the certainty of the Qun for their entire life, how will having a romance with a Qunari human/elf be different from having a romance with a Qunari ox-man? That is what it all ultimately boils down to.

If I understand correctly, the OP would like a romance with an ox-man regardless of their status as Qunari or Tal-Vashoth, which means that she doesn't consider the cultural viewpoint all that important. Hence, she is interested in the race aspect, exclusively (or it's at least more important than the cultural aspect). I'm not condemning that, people have emotional responses to someone's physical/racial aspects every day. However, that isn't reason enough to create a romance subplot for an ox-man. There has to be more that you care about as a primary factor if the writers were to seriously consider something like this. David Gaider's use of the term "fetish" is aimed at people who want an ox-man romance solely because they're ox-men, which, I have to say, is a very, very weak reason to request this.

Don't get me wrong, if the ox-man is well done and doesn't hide behind the Qun like the Arishok instead of taking responsability for something while preaching at me how inferior I am, I would jump into that romance like you wouldn't believe. But I do acknowledge that there needs to be more to the argument than "ox-men are cool and sexy".

Just my two cents.

[Melca36]

Trista Hawke wrote...

Yuck. We're getting off topic.

Wanting to romance a male or female Kossith who may or may not be Qunari is not a fetish.

It's perfectly reasonable and would make for a fun adventure.

And again I ask... Why do you want to destroy the lore of this great series?

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh for crying out loud. Yes, their body models are sexy. No we do not just want to hump pixelated ox-men. Geez.

[Lennard Testarossa]

Destiny_1989 wrote...
Considering they are both born into the religion, therefore experience the certainty of the Qun for their entire life, how will having a romance with a Qunari human/elf be different from having a romance with a Qunari ox-man? That is what it all ultimately boils down to.

It will be different in that you'd be romancing an ox-man, not a human or an elf. The differences between ox-men and other species are likely not just physiological.

[Angrywolves]

Won't be any Qunari Li. Gaider said there wouldn't be some time back. shrugs.

[K_Tabris]

Melca36 

And again I ask... Why do you want to destroy the lore of this great series?

ummmm. What?

[Chanda]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

Don't qunari all have giant equipment that can crush a woman's insides and cause internal bleeding? I'm pretty sure I read that in a fanfic somewhere.

I'm thinking of TES's Argonians right now.

And by extension, The Real Bereneziah.

I think that was a khajiit. Their junk has barbs. The males, anyway. 

[Melca36]

KallianaTabris wrote...

Melca36 

And again I ask... Why do you want to destroy the lore of this great series?

ummmm. What?

It just seems to me that everytime somebody demands something...they want to alter or change the lore to suit their ideals.

Why can't people just enjoy what it is and go with the flow?

[CuriousArtemis]

Melca36 wrote...

KallianaTabris wrote...

Melca36 

And again I ask... Why do you want to destroy the lore of this great series?

ummmm. What?

It just seems to me that everytime somebody demands something...they want to alter or change the lore to suit their ideals.

Why can't people just enjoy what it is and go with the flow?

Sooooo how is a qunari person (especially one who has left the Qun) falling in love breaking lore?

[Melca36]

motomotogirl wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

KallianaTabris wrote...

Melca36 

And again I ask... Why do you want to destroy the lore of this great series?

ummmm. What?

It just seems to me that everytime somebody demands something...they want to alter or change the lore to suit their ideals.

Why can't people just enjoy what it is and go with the flow?

Sooooo how is a qunari person (especially one who has left the Qun) falling in love breaking lore?

I just believe we should let the writers do their thing and not demand things.

If they want to do that...then fantastic!! I'll be 100% for it!!! 

When they cater to fan service...the writing suffers and that is my concern.

[CuriousArtemis]

Melca36 wrote...

When they cater to fan service...the writing suffers and that is my concern.

The writers don't, though, at least not when it comes to characters. I sense a lot of love poured into all the DA characters... the writing team for this game is really character driven, and I don't see them for a second creating a character just to please fans. That would be wildly out of character!

As for this thread and others like it, it's just a fan thread. I don't see anyone marching up to BW headquarters and holding up "WE DEMAND QUNARI!" signs. 

I think there are small hopes that a thread like this could sway an undecided writing team in this direction. If, for example, they were considering a qunari LI, but weren't sure if s/he would be well-received by fans, this thread (in theory) could convince them s/he would.

All of that is in theory, of course; I see this thread mostly as people who wanna squee over a potential qunari LI, and ain't nuthin wrong with that, hehe 

[Zeldrik1389]

I think a male Qunari LI will be the easiest one to max approval. *giving cookies* = Approval + 10000. Not much of courtship there. lol.

Anyhow, from what Sten told Morrigan, I don't think our fragile human inquisitor can handle a Qunari "love" (_._!)

[IC-07]

I totally agree with OP for no particular reason, but let's make everyone happy!

Modifié par IC-07, 11 juillet 2013 - 10:50 .

[Nethalf]

I'm so on board. I'd like this girl to be happy:

Modifié par Nethalf, 12 juillet 2013 - 07:32 .

[Grog Muffins]

Trista Hawke wrote...

I don't know where those quotes ("cool and sexy") are coming from because I never typed those words to explain my reason. In fact if you read further through the thread, I explained my interest in romancing a Kossith.

The reason I'm interested in the race, specifically, is because I know next to nothing about them aside from their affiliation with the Qun. 

So, fine. Here's only a fraction of the things I want to know about the Kossith (ox men) and I'd like to learn some of them through an intimate relationship, because in my opinion the LI's have closer relationships, divulging more info.

-Where do they come from/what's their history before the development of the Qun?
-What cultural development led to some of the Kossith forming the Qun vs those who opted out?
- What's their family structure within the Qun?
- What's their family structure outside the Qun?
- What happens when a Qunari Kossith becomes Tal-Vashoth but another group of Kossiths have reservations about taking him/her in?
- What are the Kossith gender roles outside the Qun vs inside the Qun?
- Why do the Kossith mostly have horns when some do not? 
- What sort of environment led the Kossith to develop physically the way they did?
- Do magic-wielding Kossith use lyrium? 
- Do magic-wielding Kossith get put in a Kossith circle, assuming that they are not part of the Qun...
- Are magic-wielding Kossith's powers stronger than those of elves and humans?
- How do Kossith people - both in the Qun or part of a different subculture - handle things like death, marriage, divorce, medicine, money, politics, education, diet, fashion, religion, government, housing, inheritance, art, music, science, literature, entertainment, exercise, sports, domesticated animals, technology, sex, law enforcement, and war? 
- Just how many subcultures (aside from the Qun) are the Kossith part of? How did they come to be? How do they overlap? How do they differ? And what socio-political strains exist between them?
- Are there Kossith with different colored skin? Do they physically vary? Some have horns while others don't. What other physical traits differ? Are there brunettes? Are there bigger Kossith? Smaller? Red? Yellow? Black? Purple? Are they simply all homogenous or are there definite genetic variations between regions? 
- What kinds of illnesses are unique to the Kossith? What viruses are they more susceptible to catch? Do they possess any degenerative diseases acquired via heredity? Do they posses cures for such things or have these illness eluded their healers for too long?
- What are the behavioral/hormonal differences between male and female Kossiths? 
- What kinds of emotional disorders do Kossiths have? Do they experience depression, sociopathy, mania, eating disorders, psychosis, memory issues, anxiety, catatonia, obsessive compulsion, or drug addiction? 
- What are the sensory differences between Kossith and other races? How do they differ in tactile, auditory, vestibulocochlear/equilibrium, gustation, and olfaction?   

Edit: Time for bed. I will continue with more questions later.

The "cool and sexy" bit isn't an actual quote from you or anyone. It's meant as hyperbole based on a lot of shallow reasoning I've seen around the BSN concerning Qunari LI's (either male or female). I did not intend to offend with it and I apologize if you feel I did.

As far as all those reasons you listed: THANK YOU! That is what I wanted to see someone answer with when I asked how a romance with a Qunari ox-man would be different from a romance with a Qunari human or elf. Too many people say it would be cool for various reasons but they never list any of those reasons. That just makes them out to be trying to convince either everybody else or themselves that they want more besides the racial aspect (which, like I said before, I don't condemn since emotional responses to physical aspect is a thing) but they never delve into what else might be interesting about such a LI, effectively reducing them only to one aspect of their being and, IMO, making them quite boring as a character.

So, thank you again for giving this much thought into why an ox-man specifically would be interesting as a romance and, I confess, many of those points are quite interesting to hear about from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

[JWvonGoethe]

What's the problem? Oh, some people think it's a "fetish" and therefore Bioware needs to protect us from our satanic desires... get a grip. Guess what? People can have different sexual preferences and still be completely normal.

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 12 juillet 2013 - 05:45 .

[Ziggeh]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

What's the problem? Oh, some people think it's a "fetish" and therefore Bioware needs to protect us from our satanic desires... get a grip. Guess what? People can have different sexual preferences and still be completely normal.

He's not calling anyone deviant, he's saying that some people are requesting purely on a physical basis and that there is nothing inherently interesting from a writing perspective about a big dude with horns.

[TheKomandorShepard]

15135135 qunari romance thread now im sure there will be such romance in game after all that threads this is more certain than cullen as companion.:

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 12 juillet 2013 - 12:34 .

[K_Tabris]

motomotogirl wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

KallianaTabris wrote...

Melca36 

And again I ask... Why do you want to destroy the lore of this great series?

ummmm. What?

It just seems to me that everytime somebody demands something...they want to alter or change the lore to suit their ideals.

Why can't people just enjoy what it is and go with the flow?

Sooooo how is a qunari person (especially one who has left the Qun) falling in love breaking lore?

I suppose one could say that romancing a Kossith as a human would be troublesome for a couple reasons. 
First, the inter-species aspect is different, and we don't kow exactly how different. We know what happens when human and dwarves or humans and elves, mate, for lack of a better term...ugh. The only hint we have of a Kossith is the creepy conversation between Sten and Morrigan, where Sten claims that sleeping with him would break her. This could refer to his preferences, but I got the impression it was more of a Kossith thing..

As for the way Kossith see the world, even non-Qunari Kossith have this odd way of seeing the world as made up of parts to a whole. The mercenary Tal-Vashoth we meet in DA2 hinted at this. Similarly, Tallis although Qunari, retained vesitges of her personality and elven roots. So there might be something about the Kossith that makes them wired differently.  The only example I can think of are the Vulcans in Star Trek, who only pon farr every seven years.

I still don't understand why having a Kossith LI would automatically equate to altering the Kossith lore further. They have already done so once by introducing horns and revealing the actual name of the species. I suppose introducing a Kossith character with any kind of personality would break lore.

[Ziggeh]

KallianaTabris wrote...

I still don't understand why having a Kossith LI would automatically equate to altering the Kossith lore further. They have already done so once by introducing horns and revealing the actual name of the species. I suppose introducing a Kossith character with any kind of personality would break lore.

The name of the species is Qunari, the Kossith is a cultural thing - but mainly it's because they don't have familial relations, so to speak. Procreation is done through assigned pairings, and while I suspect a romance wouldn't be a direct contradition of their established culture, it's implied that romance isn't a thing they do.

That said, the romances in Bioware games tend to be about breaking the social mask and revealing their private selves. Given the defining characteristic of the Qunari we've encountered is an unwaivering devotion to the philosophy, that pretty much means a romance would need to introduce doubt, which personally I think that would be fascinating, but would significantly alter our perception of them, in a way could cause issues with their future usage.