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MALE "Kossith" (OX-MEN) LI

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#151
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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 05:51

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Angrywolves wrote...

Regardless of all the bickering going on, Mr Gaider has albeit it somewhat nebulously implied there won't be any Qunari aka ox head or Tal Vashoth aka ox head li in DAI.


Fortunately, my interest in DA extends beyond just whatever will or won't be in DA:I and I don't see any particular reason why my hopes for the series have to be solely bound up in whatever "specific dev X says about specific game Y that comes out next year."  So what if it's not in DA:I?  DA:I isn't the give-all, end-all of DA. 

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 05:53

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Filament wrote...
Yea, and I think it would kind of undermine the exploration of the plausibility of such a belief system that is what makes the qunari one of the more interesting/original aspects of DA, by making it just an indulgence in author fiat, "fantasy brains did it."

True.

I actually kind of like the idea that they think differently and the Qun is an expression of them rather than them being an expression of the Qun - it complicates the relationship - but in this case "the women are weak because it's a fantasy race and that makes it okay" would be a extraordinarily daft position.

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 05:58

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...


Actually on topic, I'd like the know what "Kossith" actually is insofar as what the Qunari were like before the Qun.  What was their ancient society like?  This is a facet I'd be extremely interested in seeing explored.

Another interesting facet for me is Qunari tech.  Given the Qun's major suspicion and suppresion of magic, a lot of focus has been placed on technology and from what we know craftsman are female.  I'd assume inventors and scientists fall into that category as well.  Does this mean the Qunari have no male scientists/inventors?  If you were a smart dude who didn't want to beat things with a warhammer and wanted to actually *make* things, it seems like a good reason to become a Tal-Vashoth.  Some scenario like that would be really interesting to me.  

 


Kossith once had animist beliefs according to World of Thedas, so they probably believed in animal/nature spirits, something akin to shamanism. How ironic would it be if kossith mages were once revered in a bygone time. 

In regards to the bolded, the Qunari gender roles/restrictions irks me to no end. Their belief that women can never be as good as men at X , or men can never be as good as women at Y is one of the aspects of the Qun that bothers me the most.

OP, since you seem to be changing the title of your thread alot, I think you should rename it "Male Tal-Vashoth LI" because, **** the Qun. :lol:

 

lol. I don't even know what to call it anymore. I'm just going to change the title to "derp derp horns because uh fetishes, apparently" - jk.

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 05:58

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Ziggeh wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

In regards to the bolded, the Qunari gender roles/restrictions irks me to no end. Their belief that women can never be as good as men at X , or men can never be as good as women at Y is one of the aspects of the Qun that bothers me the most.

We don't really know if it's a belief. They seem wicked keen on efficiency, and such a belief would be inefficient if untrue. There's a reasonable chance there species just works that way.


I don't think so.  If the difference had a biological basis, forcing elven and human converts to adhere to a standard set by ox-men biology or psychology would be inefficient.  I think the extent of its biological basis is just grounded in the general truth that guys tend to be stronger and more aggresive (on average) than women due to muscle mass and hormones.  At tleast, that's why I think they make their males soldiers.  Their logic on craftsmen is a lot more dodgy.  

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 05:59

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Just as a thread update: I put some extra questions in the OP that are from your replies here. If I missed any important questions you have, just keep posting them. We need to compile a real list of interesting queries regarding the :::deep inhale::: QUNARI KOSSITH TAL VASHOTH OX MAN RACE :::exhale:::

ahahahaha :::goes insane:::

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 06:05

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That's a lot of questions you want answered by romance-specific content... :blink:

I don't want to see a huge chunk of dialog content romance-gated like in ME2.

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 06:16

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I thought this was the DAI forum.
shrugs.
What might be in DA4,5,6, or whatever as well as in future books, comics and other media Mr Gaider might write or produce in the future is sheer speculation, the great unknown, twilight zone territory and alton's unguessable.
If DAI fails it's unlikely some fan who wants to engage in endless speculation about something that may never exist will have his wishes fulfilled.

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 06:16

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Filament wrote...

That's a lot of questions you want answered by romance-specific content... :blink:

I don't want to see a huge chunk of dialog content romance-gated like in ME2.

 

Filament, they don't have to answer all those questions. By providing so many queries, I was providing more than enough wiggle room for specific questions the devs would be most interested in exploring through a companion LI. 

Earlier in the thread, those interested in a Kossith LI were being accused of having no grounds upon which to further explore the Kossith race.

Now there are too many questions? 

aye yaye yaye...

Modifié par Trista Hawke, 12 juillet 2013 - 06:17 .

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 06:20

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Angrywolves wrote...

I thought this was the DAI forum.
shrugs.
What might be in DA4,5,6, or whatever as well as in future books, comics and other media Mr Gaider might write or produce in the future is sheer speculation, the great unknown, twilight zone territory and alton's unguessable.
If DAI fails it's unlikely some fan who wants to engage in endless speculation about something that may never exist will have his wishes fulfilled.

 

You don't have to come into the thread and be defeatist. It's just a forum. If you don't think it's worth your time then why waste time here? 

Personally, I'm having fun speculating about a Kossith LI with other players. :::shrug:::

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 06:25

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Add this guy to the OP, since this is what a male kossith looks like (as of right now) in DA:I.  

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 06:27

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Trista Hawke wrote...

Filament, they don't have to answer all those questions. By providing so many queries, I was providing more than enough wiggle room for specific questions the devs would be most interested in exploring through a companion LI.

K then. It just seemed like a lot all together like that. :innocent:

Earlier in the thread, those interested in a Kossith LI were being accused of having no grounds upon which to further explore the Kossith race.

Now there are too many questions? 

aye yaye yaye...

Thankfully I am not the same people who made the previous accusation or else that might be contradictory...

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 06:34

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Angrywolves wrote...

I thought this was the DAI forum.
shrugs.
What might be in DA4,5,6, or whatever as well as in future books, comics and other media Mr Gaider might write or produce in the future is sheer speculation, the great unknown, twilight zone territory and alton's unguessable.
If DAI fails it's unlikely some fan who wants to engage in endless speculation about something that may never exist will have his wishes fulfilled.


It also serves as a general DA lore and mechanic discussion forum because there is no forum for "general future DA content."

And 95% of everything in this forum,  DAI related or not is "sheer speculation, the great unknown, twilight zone territory, and alton's unguessable" because we know next to nothing about DA:I yet.  If you are suggesting people should only bring up topics 100% grounded in established facts about DA:I, this is going to be one slow, boring forum.  

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 06:46

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I just luv Trista.Well no.... I am what I am I am not naive.
There is that green rpg thread which discusses the people who help Gaider with his lore.
Check it out. I helped another player find it who had questions about the lore. shrugs.
I don't care what inexperienced players think about me. Doesn't hurt me one bit.
Speculate all you want. shrugs.

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 07:14

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Angrywolves wrote...

I just luv Trista.Well no.... I am what I am I am not naive.
There is that green rpg thread which discusses the people who help Gaider with his lore.
Check it out. I helped another player find it who had questions about the lore. shrugs.
I don't care what inexperienced players think about me. Doesn't hurt me one bit.
Speculate all you want. shrugs.


I just remember people saying this exact same stuff about a Tali/Garrus romance, about same sex romance in ME, about dwarf romance in any capacity (even with a dwarf PC).  Obviously, the mere existence of this thread doesn't mean we will get what we want or that we *should* get what we want just because we clamor for it, but there have been past examples of devs' initial "but she has chicken feet!" reactions morphing into something else.

And if nothing else, the discussion is fun for people who don't have the content they want in game. 

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 08:32

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updated answer to the updated OP post

NO

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 11:24

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

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Add this guy to the OP, since this is what a male kossith looks like (as of right now) in DA:I.  

 

Done. And judging by this, the females must look pretty gruff too huh? Also, I assume not all Kossith are carbon copies of one another. 

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 11:25

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krul2k wrote...

updated answer to the updated OP post

NO

 

Hey whatever bumps the thread, man. :P

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 11:32

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Trista Hawke wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

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Add this guy to the OP, since this is what a male kossith looks like (as of right now) in DA:I.  

 

Done. And judging by this, the females must look pretty gruff too huh? Also, I assume not all Kossith are carbon copies of one another. 


Nah, I'm sure if a female were to appear she would look less monstrous and more 'human with grey skin and horns. She wouldn't have those facial bumps and her face would be flawlessly smooth. But it is what it is.

All kossith were carbon copies of one another in DA2, though. Hopefully with the new engine and longer development time, individual kossith will look unique. I like that this guy has what appears to be facial hair.  The only other kossith with facial hair was the guy Tallis was trying to kill in MotA.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 12 juillet 2013 - 11:35 .

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Posté 12 juillet 2013 - 11:58

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I always felt that the Saarebas in Dragon Age 2 was a missed opportunity. I felt that a far more satisfying end to the mission would have been to convince him to spare himself and that the Qun had been unfair on him and then take him in as a companion, learning about his unique view on life and slowly helping him come to terms with his release and to see himself as a person rather than a dangerous object. With DA2's time skips there was opportunity to have proper realistic development over those three or so years.

It would also have been good for an LI, although I suppose it would have been a bit heavy on the "fixing" side of things. A "normal" Tal'Vashoth would probably be better, although I'd hope they would play up the 'rejecting the rigid systems of beliefs' bit more than the 'mercenary who likes to kill stuff' bit.

Modifié par EJ107, 12 juillet 2013 - 11:59 .

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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 12:23

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It's amusing how some people expect you to justify your interest in a Qunari LI, yet people interested in Elven or Dwarven LIs are met with no such expectations. What's more comical is people that seem to believe their interest in non-human races is solely a product of cultural curiosity, and by extension demand you to justify your own interest in Qunari as such, when the truth is a lot of appeal of other races, whether Elf or Qunari, is very much physical and aesthetic (not entirely, but it's generally significant). To characterise interest in a Qunari LI as fetishist is quite narrow.

Anyway, as for the discussion on the correct term for referring to the horned race:

http://social.biowar...x/14893267&lf=8

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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 01:36

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Y'know, sometimes I'd prefer people to actually go out and say "I want to be able to have sex with a hulking beast of a man / woman in this game!" instead of hiding their fetish desire with tons of questions about their cultures and beliefs that could easily be answered without bedding one of them.

Look, I love the Dragon Age Dwarven culture, I think that is one of the most interesting Fantasy race ever, but I don't see how having sex with one of them can help me get a better insight than just knowing one, become friend with one or visiting one of their cities. Same goes for the Qunari. I expect people that really want to know their culture to request the possibility to BE one at best, not to BED one.

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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 01:38

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Jonata wrote...

Y'know, sometimes I'd prefer people to actually go out and say "I want to be able to have sex with a hulking beast of a man / woman in this game!" instead of hiding their fetish desire with tons of questions about their cultures and beliefs that could easily be answered without bedding one of them.

Look, I love the Dragon Age Dwarven culture, I think that is one of the most interesting Fantasy race ever, but I don't see how having sex with one of them can help me get a better insight than just knowing one, become friend with one or visiting one of their cities. Same goes for the Qunari. I expect people that really want to know their culture to request the possibility to BE one at best, not to BED one.


Despite what some claim, size does matter.

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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 01:53

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Trista Hawke wrote...


Any and all you said can be achieved without a "LI".

Besides, Gaider said no to a female one, so why would he give a male one?

Modifié par Zkyire, 13 juillet 2013 - 01:54 .

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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 02:03

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Jonata wrote...

Look, I love the Dragon Age Dwarven culture, I think that is one of the most interesting Fantasy race ever, but I don't see how having sex with one of them can help me get a better insight than just knowing one, become friend with one or visiting one of their cities. Same goes for the Qunari. I expect people that really want to know their culture to request the possibility to BE one at best, not to BED one.

Granted, many if not all of the questions posed here don't really require a romance, and I feel they're barking up something of the wrong tree in that the romances tend to reveal more about the character than the culture, and the fact that people were only interested in them as Qunari and not as a given person was sort of what Gaider was talking about.

But, that said, given the Qunari's tendecy towards conformity there are certain things we could learn from a romance that we're unlikely to in other manners - who and what they are behind and beyond that conformity.

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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 02:18

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Jonata wrote...

Y'know, sometimes I'd prefer people to actually go out and say "I want to be able to have sex with a hulking beast of a man / woman in this game!" instead of hiding their fetish desire with tons of questions about their cultures and beliefs that could easily be answered without bedding one of them.

Look, I love the Dragon Age Dwarven culture, I think that is one of the most interesting Fantasy race ever, but I don't see how having sex with one of them can help me get a better insight than just knowing one, become friend with one or visiting one of their cities. Same goes for the Qunari. I expect people that really want to know their culture to request the possibility to BE one at best, not to BED one.


I don't think the point of all that is to convince people no sexual element is present.  The point of all that is the romance doesn't *have* to be cheap and solely sexual.  There is content available to make it legitimately interesting if you wanted to.  And technically speaking there is no path in any Bioware game that is dependant on romance for lore. But romance is a fun way to learn lore, build a story, find out about a character, and experiment with something exotic all at once.
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