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[Ieldra]

I've played a lot of DAO and some DA2 in the recent weeks, after a long sojourn in Mass Effect-land, and I've made an interesting observation:

As opposed to ME2 and ME3, in both DAO and DA2 I don't feel like I'm fighting the writers, desperately searching for dialogue options and interpretations of them that work for me with only moderate success. Both the Warden and Hawke adapt nicely to how I envision them, except for a few quibbles like being unable to create a good looking custom femHawke or the occasional misleading paraphrase on the dialogue wheel. It's much easier roleplaying. Also, I don't know why, but both the Warden and Hawke feel much better integrated into their world. Maybe it's because of my personal disconnect, but they're much more part of the events rather than influencing them from without (that's how things feel for me in ME). About Shepard, I wrote a thread about why I don't like them in ME2, and why they're out of character in ME3. I'd never write something like that about the Warden or Hawke.

So...it's been very nice coming back to the DA universe, roleplaying wise. I recall when DA2 came out, I said that whatever its flaws I liked its roleplaying. That hasn't changed and I hope that DAI will take inspiration of its predecessors for how its protagonist comes across.

What's everyone else's take on this?

[Steelcan]

Im somewhat hesitant about DA:I since the character is called the Inquisitor... Just seems pretty obvious which side of the conflict he is on.

[DatOneFanboy]

Shepard in terms of Relationships, In Role playing Warden, and Hawke isnt good at anything except being sarcastic

hopefully Inquisitor has all these elements 

Modifié par DatOneFanboy, 09 juillet 2013 - 07:44 .

[jtav]

I think part of it is that Shepard's big decisions are all impersonal. The whole trilogy is like Orzammer for a non-dwarf: you're coming in to places and cultures you know little about and that you have minimal connection to and do whatever you want with no consequence to yourself. As opposed to a Warden who does have to deal with more reprecussions. My elf was a regular Caligula in Awakening and the game made me feel it better, with the uprisings etc.

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

Im somewhat hesitant about DA:I since the character is called the Inquisitor... Just seems pretty obvious which side of the conflict he is on.

Why you think that?

[Star fury]

What? Default FemHawke is exceptionally hot!

Modifié par Star fury, 09 juillet 2013 - 07:54 .

[CronoDragoon]

I've never had a problem role-playing Shepard. However, if I did, I think the reasons why the Warden makes for easier role-playing are obvious. Or at least, I understand the preference for a silent protag with no dialogue wheel.

But I'm curious why you felt Hawke was easier, as I very much felt it was a similar experience to Shepard.

As for their integration into the world, that I agree with. To some extent Shepard is different from the Warden and Hawke because you begin ME1 as a legend already. Everyone knows you or at least knows your authority. I think BW once described Shepard as a force of nature, and I think the way that the other races/characters look at him can reflect that. It would be like trying to learn about a country from the perspective of an emperor.

Dragon Age is supposedly about the world and the events that occur within it. it's interesting at the end of ME3 that what remains are stories of "The Shepard" whereas I think down the line people will talk about "The Blight" or "the end of the Circle". What I appreciate in Dragon Age is that I can only control the macro-level direction of events to a certain extent; the Warden can't prevent Lothering from being destroyed, nor can he prevent the siege of Denerim. Hawke can't stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry.

Additionally your party members are more interactive with each other. You have a clear feeling of who dislikes who; sometimes it's personality-based, but other times it's based on race or lore.

All of this leads to a feeling that the world turns without the permission of Hawke or the Warden; people are constantly following their own agendas instead of being loyal to the MC or following whatever he says. This can be good or bad, but if done consistently, as in Dragon Age, it imbues the setting with momentum in ways that Mass Effect can't.

[Steelcan]

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Im somewhat hesitant about DA:I since the character is called the Inquisitor... Just seems pretty obvious which side of the conflict he is on.

Why you think that?

.  Inquisitor has a religious connotation and the Templars are the military branch of the Chantry.  The Templars have gone rogue somewhat, but I imagine an Inquisitor would be sympathetic to the Templars over mages.

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Im somewhat hesitant about DA:I since the character is called the Inquisitor... Just seems pretty obvious which side of the conflict he is on.

Why you think that?

.  Inquisitor has a religious connotation and the Templars are the military branch of the Chantry.  The Templars have gone rogue somewhat, but I imagine an Inquisitor would be sympathetic to the Templars over mages.

True, but I think that might end up being a choice

We might even be able to turn against the Chantry themselves

[Barquiel]

I suppose that the silent DAO protagonists make it more of "your experience" instead of just playing through a preset story. He/She always has the imagination of the player to lean on. Obviously, Shepard is less of a blank slate than the Warden, and you're more observing/directing. But I see little difference between Hawke and Shepard.

Modifié par Barquiel, 09 juillet 2013 - 08:00 .

[Steelcan]

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Im somewhat hesitant about DA:I since the character is called the Inquisitor... Just seems pretty obvious which side of the conflict he is on.

Why you think that?

.  Inquisitor has a religious connotation and the Templars are the military branch of the Chantry.  The Templars have gone rogue somewhat, but I imagine an Inquisitor would be sympathetic to the Templars over mages.

True, but I think that might end up being a choice

We might even be able to turn against the Chantry themselves

That's too much prior characterization than I'd like.

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

I suppose that the silent DAO protagonists makes it more of "your experience" instead of just playing through a preset story. He/She always has the imagination of the player to lean on. Obviously, Shepard is less of a blank slate than the Warden, and you're more observing/directing. But I see little difference between Hawke and Shepard.

Hawke gets to pick Templars/Mages, Shepard does not get to pick Alliance/Cerberus

[AresKeith]

@Steel I'm not saying it would happen at the start of the game lol

[CronoDragoon]

Steelcan wrote...
Hawke gets to pick Templars/Mages, Shepard does not get to pick Alliance/Cerberus

Shepard fights Cerberus no matter what, and Hawke fights everyone no matter what. Same difference.

[Steelcan]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Hawke gets to pick Templars/Mages, Shepard does not get to pick Alliance/Cerberus

Shepard fights Cerberus no matter what, and Hawke fights everyone no matter what. Same difference.

You can still pick a side to support with Hawke.  Not so much with Shepard.

[CronoDragoon]

Steelcan wrote...
You can still pick a side to support with Hawke.  Not so much with Shepard.

Choosing to keep or destroy the base in ME2 is more or less choosing a side, isn't it?

[Steelcan]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
You can still pick a side to support with Hawke.  Not so much with Shepard.

Choosing to keep or destroy the base in ME2 is more or less choosing a side, isn't it?

.  The entirety of ME3 goes against that choice.  In ME3 there is no choice, its "you hate Cerberus and zlways have, go Alliance"

[CronoDragoon]

Steelcan wrote...
The entirety of ME3 goes against that choice.

And most post-Rite content goes either against your choice or disregards it. I'm not seeing the difference, sorry.

[Steelcan]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
The entirety of ME3 goes against that choice.

And most post-Rite content goes either against your choice or disregards it. I'm not seeing the difference, sorry.

.  My piny is, at the moment of crisis Hawkr gets a choice in who to support.  Shepard does not, in the end Shepard will always destroy Cerberus, Hawke can pick a side.

[Sir DeLoria]

Well, the Warden is a mime so no(no amount of Alistair can save that). Hawke is cool, but I thought his background was über boring and too linear(Warden was better there). Shep isn't perfect, but nevertheless superior(unless you play a robot or Liara loving pure paragon).

Modifié par Necanor, 09 juillet 2013 - 08:13 .

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

Well, the Warden is a mime so no(no amount of Alistair can save that). Hawke is cool, but I thought his background was über boring and too linear(Warden was better there). Shep isn't perfect, but nevertheless superior(unless you play a robot or Liara loving pure paragon).

Arent you just a Tali loving pure paragon?

[Secretlyapotato]

This thread isn't exactly what I was planning, but I shall give the answer I intended anyway. Shepard would fracking pulverize the other two in a deathmatch with no weapons and armor because she is a very aggressive, renegade biotic. The warden would be the first to fall because she's just a thin elf girl, though Hawke would be quickly downed himself.

[Maria Caliban]

Ieldra2 wrote...

[I find RPing easier with DA PCs than with Shepard.]

What's everyone else's take on this?

I'm glad you've found something you like.

[Alphram]

As to the original poster, I sort of get what you're saying with one exception: Mage Hawke. You run around and sling spells with no regards and nobody calls you on it. Sure, there is dialogue that mentions it, but it doesn't really seem to have any personal ramifications. Beth is sure affected, however. It's that aspect that kind of draws me out of the whole "you're part of the world and events".