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[Cainhurst Crow]

Holy crap. I haven't seen a crapsplosion internet fight over nothing like that in a long time for these boards.

Excellent work OP.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 11 juillet 2013 - 09:01 .

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Holy crap. I haven't seen a crapsplosion internet fight over nothing like that in a long time for these boards.

Excellent work OP.

Well, I take some credit. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Holy crap. I haven't seen a crapsplosion internet fight over nothing like that in a long time for these boards.

Excellent work OP.

Well, I take some credit. 

You merely played out your part, the OP was the one who set the stage and the bait.

And we merely sat back to watch the show. And what a marvelous show it was.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Holy crap. I haven't seen a crapsplosion internet fight over nothing like that in a long time for these boards.

Excellent work OP.

Well, I take some credit. 

You merely played out your part, the OP was the one who set the stage and the bait.

And we merely sat back to watch the show. And what a marvelous show it was.

Good for you. 

Modifié par favoritehookeronthecitadel, 11 juillet 2013 - 09:12 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Holy crap. I haven't seen a crapsplosion internet fight over nothing like that in a long time for these boards.

Excellent work OP.

Well, I take some credit. 

You merely played out your part, the OP was the one who set the stage and the bait.

And we merely sat back to watch the show. And what a marvelous show it was.

Good for you. 

I turely do mean it however. It was very fun to watch.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I turely do mean it however. It was very fun to watch.

I trully do mean it. Good for you.

[Wolfva2]

Darth Brotarian wrote..

I turely do mean it however. It was very fun to watch.

As someone who is here in part to entertain others, I am proud to have been a part of tonights entertainment

I'm particularly proud of the Shakespearian lines.

[Killdren88]

I rather they just reboot the franchise and forget this debacle ever happened. The sooner this is buried and forgotten the sooner we can move and see it right this time.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Wolf, I sent a friend request so I could pm you. I'm going to try to resolve this without derailing the thread anymore. Accept it if you want to.

[dorktainian]

the ending? mmmm.......

If everyone just assumes the game ends at cronos station then everything will be fine.

Trust Me.

[ruggly]

I acknowledge the endings, but yes, I chose to re-imagine the endings to my liking as well.

[Armass81]

iakus wrote...

 For five years they told us these were our Shepards, that our descisions shaped the story, that there was no canon but what me made for yourselves.

So yes.  It's either that or let Bioware railroad us to their own grim vision of how Shepard's story should end.  If others want to take what they were given, fine.  But my Shepards deserved better.

You believed them? Really...?

I saw during ME2, that non sequitur sequel, that they had bitten more than they could chew, it simply wasnt possible to count all the outcomes, especially after suicide mission. The makers always exaggarate. People honestly should have seen this coming. I means a little over 2 years development time, what did you expect?

Also it wasnt really our Shepard, you can decide how he looks and answers yes, a little, but the path laid before Shepards is still that of the makers, he cant deviate that much. Its an illusion. I agree tough that in the third game the guy was even less "ours" than in the other games. If the game could have had another year of development time... well EA, what ca you say, youre their dog now BW.

Modifié par Armass81, 11 juillet 2013 - 11:46 .

[Wolfva2]

I wouldn't say they exagerate per se...I think they have this glorious image in their heads of what they want to do. They're excited, they talk about it, they start working on it. Then, reality rears it's ugly head. The technology may not be up to what they want to do (or it is, but most gamer's machines aren't that advanced). They run into delays and unforseen forks in the road which throw a wrench into their plans. Then, the people whose opinion DOES matter...the people bankrolling the endeavor (most of whom probably don't give a fig about Shep, his LI, or the Catalyst) get impatient. They want a return on the money they've been...up to now...throwing into a hole. So they start pushing to get the product released. Of course, then marketing shows up and they do their job...hyping the game so WE all feel like buying it even though they barely know what's going on in the game. Then we take over and argue about it on the forums <LOL>.

[rashie]

Of course they should, i know how the canon ending went and i do not argue that is biowares vision and i accept that, Still modded it because i did not like the ending with Shepard sacrifising himself, because in my opinion seeing the main protagonist survive the final confrontation and get reunited with his loved ones brings much more of a closure to the trilogy than seeing him gasping for air in the ruins and most likely passing away shortly after due to how badly hurt he was prior to the explosion.

[Iakus]

Armass81 wrote...

iakus wrote...

 For five years they told us these were our Shepards, that our descisions shaped the story, that there was no canon but what me made for yourselves.

So yes.  It's either that or let Bioware railroad us to their own grim vision of how Shepard's story should end.  If others want to take what they were given, fine.  But my Shepards deserved better.

You believed them? Really...?

I saw during ME2, that non sequitur sequel, that they had bitten more than they could chew, it simply wasnt possible to count all the outcomes, especially after suicide mission. The makers always exaggarate. People honestly should have seen this coming. I means a little over 2 years development time, what did you expect?

Also it wasnt really our Shepard, you can decide how he looks and answers yes, a little, but the path laid before Shepards is still that of the makers, he cant deviate that much. Its an illusion. I agree tough that in the third game the guy was even less "ours" than in the other games. If the game could have had another year of development time... well EA, what ca you say, youre their dog now BW.

Hey, after ME2, my expectations were pretty low.  But ME3's ending failed to meet even the modest standards I had.  So at this pont I feel there no is further recourse but to take the advertising by the horns:

There is no canon

These are our Shepards

We shape the course of the story.

Therefore, given how unpopular these outcomes are, we should be free to make up our own endings.  Bioware may not be allowed to disavow their own work, but we should certainly be able to attatch our own.  I mean "lots of speculations for everyone" amirite?

And if further sequels don't fit into the ending that I made for myself, I will either

a) Ignore the continuity breakdown or
Not purchase the game

[Iakus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

...and for 5 years you fell for obvious marketing BS. Congratulaions. I mean, come on ME was never your story, not from the beginning to the very end. One has to be very naive to take all those marketing slogans for face value or to pay them any attention in the first place. Maybe it's the cynical Central-European in me, but that's how I see it. 

So while many think here that they have a Shepard... I never had one. But I enjoyed the hell out of the Shepard story with all its permutations which Bioware wrote. 

I gotta get into marketing.  Given the attitudes here, it's like a license to lie to people.  A legal way to grift.

Anyway, yeah, silly me for thinking they'd actually make an effort to create a diverse spread of endings to cover as many bases as possible,  You know, to cover the many ways people went through the game.  Obviously they can't account for everything.  But the endings we got hardly accounted for anything.

And since they didn't account for my Shepard, I will simply have to look elsewhere.  

[Seboist]

More dev time wouldn't have changed anything other than less bugs and possibly more side quests with actual content instead of pac-man planetscan.

You can't expect quality story telling from the same people who thought lazarus,space terminator and creating a middle entry that's not only pointless to the overarching story but pointless in the context of itself(ex. loyalty missions) to be good ideas.

[chemiclord]

iakus wrote...

I gotta get into marketing.  Given the attitudes here, it's like a license to lie to people.  A legal way to grift.

Anyway, yeah, silly me for thinking they'd actually make an effort to create a diverse spread of endings to cover as many bases as possible,  You know, to cover the many ways people went through the game.  Obviously they can't account for everything.  But the endings we got hardly accounted for anything.

And since they didn't account for my Shepard, I will simply have to look elsewhere.  

Ya know what I would have really liked to see?  Not this rage over the ending, but people actually taking people to task for their pre-release promises.  Because this really IS something that needs to be stopped, and it's not just Bioware that does it.  It's become acceptable for game publishers and developers to pretty much outright lie about their product before its released to sell more copies, and damn near no one takes them to task for it.

I know one guy tried to file a complaint with the FTC, but that came across more due to disappointment in the ending than any accusations of mistruth in their pre-release campaign.  I would LOVE to see Hudson in a court of law trying to explain why he said the Rachni decision would have a "major impact" when he would have had to know at the time he made that claim that it wasn't going to, for example.

But alas, such is life, I suppose.

[Iakus]

There used to be threads like that.

Not so much anymore, they get locked quick.

One thing I'll say about the Dragon Age team: Keeping silent about the game is probably the best policy.

[CronoDragoon]

iakus wrote...

I gotta get into marketing.  Given the attitudes here, it's like a license to lie to people.  A legal way to grift.

Well, yeah. That's pretty much how I see it. For every lawsuit against Nutella for marketing their product as healthy, like 10 more companies get away with lying or misrepresentation. Personally I avoided all ME3 marketing, promo videos, discussions, ANYTHING before release, so that 1) nothing was spoiled, and 2) My expectations remained unspecific and open. I sympathize with people who were told things by BW that turned out to either not be true (rachni) or a twisty stretch of the truth (no ABC ending) or a comment that should not have been made given the structure of the endings.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 11 juillet 2013 - 03:10 .

[Kel Riever]

I would bet money that at least a third of the BioWare staff smokes weed. More of them probably cross streets not at the intersections and sometimes listen to youtube songs they will never purchase. Regarding modding games, the rules to that are already clear and nothing has been a problem as far as I can see.

To the original topic: I'd only really be concerned if I was going to purchase another BioWare product. Right now, with the ending(s) fail, and them never going to fix it, I don't have to worry about that problem. If they fix the ending(s) then it won't be a problem. So....problem solved! I can let ME3 live however I want now, and it is perfectly consistent, because no new ME products will be entering my personal Universe. Heck, in my universe, there are no Leviathans, Omega is still to be retaken, and I had a party on the Citadel for free instead of Microsoft points. Further, the Geth, EDI and Shepard lived because the Glowjob never shows up (I pull the plug after 'The best seats in the house' line). Therefore, I did BioWare's job for them and made my ending worthwhile and logical. There will never be a conflict with that because purchases are now zero.

Its really not a bad place to be, frankly. I recomend it to more people.