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[Reorte]

o Ventus wrote...

But, y'know, rape is only ever used in a sexual manner, so that other whole definition is ignored by 99% of the population. Same thing goes for "gay", "queer", and the prefix "******-".

Well I can't really see how the definition of a bright yellow flowering member of the family Brassicaceae is remotely relevent to Mass Effect.

[sveners]

So... is the topic well and truely derailed now?

[chemiclord]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I don't like what I am given, nor do I respect the people who gave it to me. What they gave me and how they gave it to me is not worth my respect.

I have made my own ending that works better for me, and I am arrogant enough to say that to you, and to the creators.

What are you going to do about it?

Me?  Nothing.

I do wonder why you force yourself to experience something you don't respect from people you don't respect though.  Seems easier to just... not force yourself to do so, and find something else you DO enjoy.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

o Ventus wrote...

Considering that "rape" means "to violate", yes, one could feel "raped" by Bioware.

But, y'know, rape is only ever used in a sexual manner, so that other whole definition is ignored by 99% of the population. Same thing goes for "gay", "queer", and the prefix "******-".

Yes, and when not used in a sexual manner, it is largely a shock-value kind of word.

In the same vein one calls things "gay" to say they're weird (even "gay" is not as bad, though).

Or maybe the people here are part of the 1% who act outside social norms. I'll admit, it seems plausible! 

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 12 juillet 2013 - 11:24 .

[Ozida]

Wasn’t it what Bioware wanted in the first place? Some players just ‘head-cannoned’ their endings in a code form.  

Modifié par Ozida, 12 juillet 2013 - 11:30 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

o Ventus wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Why??? I seem to remember being told by BSNites that "rape" is a dynamic word to constitute all bad changes.

Rape is a perfectly valid synonym for: betrayed, offended, stabbed, tickled, and virtually anything under the sun.

Learn your language, mister! 

Considering that "rape" means "to violate", yes, one could feel "raped" by Bioware.

But, y'know, rape is only ever used in a sexual manner, so that other whole definition is ignored by 99% of the population. Same thing goes for "gay", "queer", and the prefix "******-".

I think society has a problem with trivializing serious issues that affect other people besides themselves only for the sake of hyperbole or humor.

I didn't support star wars fans using the word rape to describe the prequels, and I won't support this either.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 13 juillet 2013 - 12:14 .

[o Ventus]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I think society has a problem with trivializing serious issues that affect other people besides ourselves only for the sake of hyperbole or humor.

Tell that to every stand up comedian who has ever lived other than Bill Cosby.

Rather, tell that to everybody who has ever produced anything in the entertainment industry, ever.

Modifié par o Ventus, 13 juillet 2013 - 12:17 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

True, but there are some points to that.

1. Comedians  are still part of society, last time I checked, and do make up part of the cultural and societal thread of the country.

2. Rarely are they dumb enough to try and do a rape joke, and than poorly try and defend their decision with a bad explanation that reeks of attempted weaseling out of the consequences, rather than say "Yeah I made this joke, and people laughed at it to. So what?" I would respect holding true with your comedic material than attempting to avoid all criticism all together.

3. Posters here rarely tend to be funny, or are trying to be humorous, in their use of rape in their post. Mostly it's whiny ****s who want to make you cringe at what they say, and attempt to piggyback the shock and power the word has to make bioware feel bad about their endings.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 13 juillet 2013 - 12:24 .

[o Ventus]

1. If they or anyone else gave half a damn about not "trivializing serious issues that affect people other than themselves only for humor", then they wouldn't be doing it. Let alone getting paid to do it, often filling houses with thousands of people in the audience.

2. Are you running with the assumption that they were heckled for making a rape joke (or otherwise criticized)? Otherwise, that point doesn't make any sense.

3. The word only has shock value if you think that it does. And I don't.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well O Ventus, I hope you will understand me calling you a horrible person for not holding any respect for what people go through, or what the word your using means to other people.

I said there was a problem in society with people doing this. All you seem to have done is say "yes there is a problem, here's an example of the problem". I don't know what your pulling, I don't know what your playing at, and frankly I'm not sure I want to know.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 13 juillet 2013 - 07:56 .

[o Ventus]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Well O Ventus, I hope you will understand me calling you a horrible person for not holding any respect for what people go through, or what the word your using means to other people.

Cograulations, you've found me out.

I said there was a problem in society with people doing this. All you seem to have done is say "yes there is a problem, here's an example of the problem". I don't know what your pulling, I don't know what your playing at, and frankly I'm not sure I want to know.

You said there's a problem with society trivializing serious issues, but haven't actually described how it's a problem. I anything, it's a positive from the example I gave. People are getting paid to do the trivializing, while the people doing the paying are getting a good laugh out of it. Unless the comedian sucks at their job and chose the wrong crowd.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The problem is that by trivializing it, I feel you diminish how serious of a problem it really is. You create a sense that it's one big joke, or simply something you can use as another harmless hyperbolic buzzword, when for me it's one of the things you just don't do that to. It fosters a attitude, even subconsciously, that something like rape is just no big deal, that it's okay to joke about it and dismiss it as just another thing in life to draw insperation from, and it's not for me at least.

More than likely I'm just too wound up on the issue, but it bothers the hell out of me to see it trivialized so much to the point when angry nerds can just spew it out of their mouths to just describe something they don't like.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 13 juillet 2013 - 08:16 .

[o Ventus]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The problem is that by trivializing it, I feel you diminish how serious of a problem it really is. You create a sense that it's one big joke, or simply something you can use as another harmless hyperbolic buzzword, when for me it's one of the things you just don't do that to.

You could not be more wrong. Like, objectively wrong. Both parties are fully aware how serious these issues are. Watch the History channel special "History of the Joke" and look at the aptly named "Taboo" segment.

@bold: Are you trying to pass off as a special snowflake right now?

[DirtyPhoenix]

Raped by Bioware....... now I've seen everything..

[.50CalBrainSurgeon]

Psychevore wrote...

.50CalBrainSurgeon wrote...

No offense intended, but I think this question is rather moot because of this consideration: What's to stop players from coming up with their own endings?
Really? What's Bioware going to do? Crack down and ban all the ME3 ending fanfiction out there? I think not.

As has been mentioned before: they could. They just don't. But they have every legal option to do so, and close to none of the people making mods would be able to deal with the financial consequences if they did. 

Again, like mentioned before in this topic: the Crono Trigger remake. Which I was really looking forward to. But Square said "noooooo" , so it didn't happen.

Given how much public displeasure Bioware generated with their endings, it would be a seriously bad PR move for them to do so. I suspect there is so much fanfic on so many films, books, comics etc it would be a logistical imposibility and poor PR decision for developers, writers, or film studios to suddenly ban them. Besides, fanfiction is perhaps a sign of a well liked book/game/movie. Just some thoughts. 

[chemiclord]

Well, it would actually most likely be EA who would pull the trigger on that... and EA and poor decisions have notoriously gone hand in hand.

Just a little bit of nightmare fuel for ya.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Why are we even discussing this? Is this place really that negative of a cesspit?

You do realize that if you sell your fan fiction, that Bioware receives royalties from it, right? If you fail to secure that license, you can get sued, and it's not that expensive to secure that license. Why would they stop a flow of money?

[Cainhurst Crow]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Why are we even discussing this? Is this place really that negative of a cesspit?

You do realize that if you sell your fan fiction, that Bioware receives royalties from it, right? If you fail to secure that license, you can get sued, and it's not that expensive to secure that license. Why would they stop a flow of money?

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious."

- Obi Wan Kenobi, Mos Eisley spaceport, 0 BBY

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 13 juillet 2013 - 09:33 .

[Liamv2]

 

[AcidwireX]

Your ending can be whatever you want it to be. Mostly because there's no game that follows at the moment.

But just like if BW decided to make a Synthesis canon ending, I would not buy it and continue to headcanon destroy/MEHEM as my ending. Simply because Synthesis did not occur in my game, and by not purchasing the next game, the following events did not occur as far as I'm concerned.