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[teh DRUMPf!!]

What?? Huh?

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Where do you not see the resemblance?

This is like Liara not recognizing the busts in Athame's temple looking like Javik -- LOL!

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 11 juillet 2013 - 02:33 .

[o Ventus]

Top picture: brightly colored mass of... Something, followed by a dimming wake.

Bottom picture: uniformly bright stream.

The top picture more resembles a comet than any stream of superheated metal. Given what we've seen, Thanix cannons don't fire in globs.

[FlamingBoy]

because rationality would have gotten in the way of the story.

[aznjoez]

o Ventus wrote...

Top picture: brightly colored mass of... Something, followed by a dimming wake.

Bottom picture: uniformly bright stream.

The top picture more resembles a comet than any stream of superheated metal. Given what we've seen, Thanix cannons don't fire in globs.

Its close. Maybe the weapons used in the bottom picture are weaker due to mass production limitations and the time contraints, thus making it seem "dimmer". Maybe we are looking at a far more zoomed out picture in the bottom and the "brighter" section in the bottom picture is most of the bright length shown in the top picture. Maybe the weapon changed over the time period between the end of 2 and the end of 3 and it looks different. Unless they state exactly what the weapon was used in the final space battle then it is anyones guess.

[o Ventus]

aznjoez wrote...

Its close. Maybe the weapons used in the bottom picture are weaker due to mass production limitations and the time contraints, thus making it seem "dimmer".

The bottom photo is brighter, both in terms of ambiance and subject.

Maybe we are looking at a far more zoomed out picture in the bottom and the "brighter" section in the bottom picture is most of the bright length shown in the top picture.

Numerous other shots of a similar type are seen in other scenes during the space battle over Earth, and they almost all look similar, if not identical to those in the top picture at all different angles.

Maybe the weapon changed over the time period between the end of 2 and the end of 3 and it looks different. Unless they state exactly what the weapon was used in the final space battle then it is anyones guess.

1. Highly unlikely, give the time frame.
2. If they changed it so that it fires globs instead of beams, that would only serve to reduce its stopping power

[AlanC9]

What's the argument here? That the VFX guys didn't get the look of the weapons right!?

[o Ventus]

AlanC9 wrote...

What's the argument here? That the VFX guys didn't get the look of the weapons right!?

HYR says they are the same, when both visual and codex evidence points to the opposite.

[aznjoez]

o Ventus wrote...

aznjoez wrote...

Its close. Maybe the weapons used in the bottom picture are weaker due to mass production limitations and the time contraints, thus making it seem "dimmer".

The bottom photo is brighter, both in terms of ambiance and subject.

Maybe we are looking at a far more zoomed out picture in the bottom and the "brighter" section in the bottom picture is most of the bright length shown in the top picture.

Numerous other shots of a similar type are seen in other scenes during the space battle over Earth, and they almost all look similar, if not identical to those in the top picture at all different angles.

Maybe the weapon changed over the time period between the end of 2 and the end of 3 and it looks different. Unless they state exactly what the weapon was used in the final space battle then it is anyones guess.

1. Highly unlikely, give the time frame.
2. If they changed it so that it fires globs instead of beams, that would only serve to reduce its stopping power

"I reject your reality and substitute my own". - Adam Savage.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

o Ventus wrote...

Top picture: brightly colored mass of... Something, followed by a dimming wake.

Bottom picture: uniformly bright stream.

The top picture more resembles a comet than any stream of superheated metal. Given what we've seen, Thanix cannons don't fire in globs.

WGAF. Liara has four different faces. No one disputes whether or not it's the same person, though.

But that's fine, you can be the only person who believes they're different.

[o Ventus]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

WGAF. Liara has four different faces. No one disputes whether or not it's the same person, though.

I don't know what those letters mean.

But that's fine, you can be the only person who believes they're different.

What a scientific approach to debating a point. I'll just take this immature little jab as a concession.

[Mcfly616]

o Ventus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

What makes you think they could've "seriously hurt" the Reapers? A Collector ship is not a Sovereign class Reaper.

Because they bypass kinetic barriers and have anti-armor capabilities?

doesn't matter much. They're outnumbered. That's like saying: "oh, we have a bunch of anti-armor rockets to combat an army of tanks, but there's way more tanks than we have rockets." Meaning, you're still gonna lose.

And? We've readily shown to be able to beat them in short-term engagements. An army of 10,000 Thanix cannons will still inflict significant damage to a similarly sized Reaper fleet. Add in GARDIAN lasers and small fighters against Reaper Occuli and the Reapers will be too busy trying to take out our smaller ships.

umm yeah, I don't think our short-term "engagments" against individual Reapers (Sovereign, Tuchanka, Rannoch) really qualifies as a good comparison to a Reaper armada. So, tell yourself whatever you want.

[David7204]

If anything, I thought Thanix cannons were somewhat over-used.

No, I would not imagine that every fleet would upgrade every ship with a new technology in 18 months. Because such a thing would not happen. Despite what some very silly people in this thread may think, I'm certain talking to anyone in the navy or air force and asking them why every ship isn't equipped with technology invented 18 months age will get you a laugh in the face.

Modifié par David7204, 11 juillet 2013 - 04:18 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

David7204 wrote...

If anything, I thought Thanix cannons were somewhat over-used.

No, I would not imagine that every fleet would upgrade every ship with a new technology in 18 months. Because such a thing would not happen. Despite what some very silly people in this thread may think, I'm certain talking to anyone in the navy or air force and asking them why every ship isn't equipped with technology invented 18 months age will get you a laugh in the face.

Upgrade in 3 years.

Besides the Turian ships firing at the reapers around Palaven sounded like "Derp Derp Derp" not like the Thanix.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 11 juillet 2013 - 05:02 .

[Tron Mega]

Mcfly616 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

What makes you think they could've "seriously hurt" the Reapers? A Collector ship is not a Sovereign class Reaper.

Because they bypass kinetic barriers and have anti-armor capabilities?

doesn't matter much. They're outnumbered. That's like saying: "oh, we have a bunch of anti-armor rockets to combat an army of tanks, but there's way more tanks than we have rockets." Meaning, you're still gonna lose.

its called an underdog story. usually those are pretty good.

and yes, a united prepared galaxy would obliterate ME3s version of the reapers.

easily. thats what i think.

the only point in time i didnt think conventional victory was possible was after i shot myself into refuse ending and saw how bioware ran out of ideas by showing me the middle finger.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 11 juillet 2013 - 05:05 .

[CrutchCricket]

Mcfly616 wrote...
I'm not the one assuming anything. I'm stating facts.

Really? In that case, you won't mind this:

Mcfly616 wrote...
even still, their shields would be even better suited against something that is engineered from their own technology.

Source?

First, as you stated, Sovereign wasn't so bad "once its shields were down". But in reality it took a whole fleet on while its shields were up.

With, for lack of a better term "conventional" weaponry and two-three year old weaponry at that (relative to ME3). Also someone else posted that official estimates are 4 dreadnaughts to take down a Reaper, assuming it doesn't have backup like say a whole damn geth fleet. But don't let such technicalities get in your way.

Well, it would take a handful of dreadnaughts to take down a single Reapers shields down. Our dreadnaughts are completely outnumbered by the Reaper Capital ships.

Using "conventional" weaponry. And numbers aren't the issue being discussed  here, the capabilities of the thanix weapon are. A gun will still kill even if its wielder is outnumbered.

And lastly, it is stated over and over and over that the Reapers are not going to be beaten conventionally (as if it wasnt obvious enough). They have been doing this for a billion years and have never failed. I'm pretty sure anything conventional is out the window.

Ah the rallying cry of defenders of this atrocious drivel that fails to pass for an ending. Don't worry, no one's attacking your precious artistic integrity (my disdain for it notwithstanding). A lie (or in ths case a mistake) repeated over and over doesn't become right, just because someone won't shut up about it. And though I hadn't intended it this way, classfying thanix canons as unconventional weapons gets around this silly restriction.

Regardless, the point wasn't that thanix canons would win the day by themselves, but rather that they should've been better displayed visually and more importantly, should've been reflected in the lore as greater casualties on the Reaper side. Or hell, even explicitly stated that thanix-bearing ships were priority targets for the Reapers because of the heightened threat they faced, if you insist on making it so one-sided.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 11 juillet 2013 - 05:09 .

[HellbirdIV]

David7204 wrote...

No, I would not imagine that every fleet would upgrade every ship with a new technology in 18 months. Because such a thing would not happen.

Actually given the amazing fabrication technology available to the species in the late 22nd century I don't see why not.

Remember, an omni-tool microfabricator is essentially a hand-held 3D printer. And that's something that can be rendered so small as to be worn on the wrist with regular clothing, or even implanted in the skin. Can you imagine the kind of mass-production that a full-scale industrial complex would be capable of?

You also have to consider how many ships were lost during the initial Battle for the Citadel, for turian and human fleets especially (regardless of the player's choice with the Destiny Ascension, Sovereign smacks a whole lot of Alliance cruisers around before you can kill Mecha-Saren), as well as how easy it is for ships to get retrofitted with new technology in the ME setting. How long was Shepard incarcerated on Earth while they completley revamped half of the SR-2?

Ultimately it's kind of a moot point. The Codex says Thanix cannons are being fitted as standard issue, so that's the way it is now.

EDIT:

Since it's been brought up that Sovereign's shields could take a seemingly infinite beating during the Battle for the Citadel, I should point out that when Sovereign is on the Citadel tower, the only ships attacking it are Systems Alliance CRUISERS, not Dreadnoughts (Who don't show up on screen until ME3). A turian dreadnought is shown firing at Sovereign, but appears to miss several times before Sovereign rams it.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 11 juillet 2013 - 05:13 .

[David7204]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

David7204 wrote...

If anything, I thought Thanix cannons were somewhat over-used.

No, I would not imagine that every fleet would upgrade every ship with a new technology in 18 months. Because such a thing would not happen. Despite what some very silly people in this thread may think, I'm certain talking to anyone in the navy or air force and asking them why every ship isn't equipped with technology invented 18 months age will get you a laugh in the face.

Upgrade in 3 years.

Besides the Turian ships firing at the reapers around Palaven sounded like "Derp Derp Derp" not like the Thanix.

It look 11 months for the thing to be invented. (And I'm going to very, very graciously ignore all the nuances between something being 'produced' in a lab and actually being avaliable for anyone to use, let alone being avaliable for mass production.) With three months for ME 2, that's 22 months total. Not three years. 

Modifié par David7204, 11 juillet 2013 - 05:12 .

[David7204]

You all need to remember that the ships are built around the guns. The engines, hull, and other systems are built to accommodate the gun, not the other way around. You can't just swap out such weapons like legos.

Modifié par David7204, 11 juillet 2013 - 05:16 .

[CrutchCricket]

Regarding how many ships should've gotten the upgrade: I don't expect all ships did, though I would expect more ships would've, if the galaxy had taken the threat seriously after Sovereign, or after Shepard's reports on the Collectors/Arrival. Instead everyone (including our hero) just derps and pisses the time away. Time that might've pushed those upgraded ship numbers into the "can win" zone.

Conventional victory isn't theoretically or fundamentally impossible. It's just impossible for our cycle now, with the Reapers breathing down our necks, because we were dumbasses for the past three years.

[David7204]

The '******' would be the person thinking that any civilization would seriously put every dollar into building a super-duper fleet in preparation for a galactic armageddon based on the evidence available. I guess citizens are all supposed to happily nod and smile as their taxes are increased tenfold to fund such things?

Modifié par David7204, 11 juillet 2013 - 05:20 .

[Tron Mega]

David7204 wrote...

The '******' would be the person thinking that any civilization would seriously put every dollar into building a super-duper fleet in preparation for a galactic armageddon based on the evidence available. I guess citizens are all supposed to happily nod and smile as their taxes are increased tenfold to fund such things?

as apposed to a super duper some-kinda-device?

[David7204]

No, not at all. For the obvious reason that everyone already knows about the Reapers when construction of the Crucible begins. Of course people will be willing to do such things once they see the threat for themselves.

Modifié par David7204, 11 juillet 2013 - 05:22 .

[Tron Mega]

David7204 wrote...

No, not at all. For the obvious reason that everyone already knows about the Reapers when construction of the Crucible begins. Of course people will be willing to do such things once they see the threat for themselves.

they saw the threat back in ME1.

should they have started preparing after the reapers finally invaded the entire galaxy, or before?

its too bad for ME3, ME3 is.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 11 juillet 2013 - 05:29 .