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Whatever you do, don't play ME3 to the end. YOu'll be disappointed and depressed


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Redbelle wrote...

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The issue for me was that Bioware wrapped up the grand story of defeating the reapers but forgot why people loved the games so much...the characters.

I read that Bioware were shocked that people thought that the turians and quarians were going to starve. Well with the relays exploding and the codex telling us exactly how long travel between systems takes even at FTL, how were people meant to think otherwise?

The same with the Citadel exploding. How were people meant to think anything other than everyone on there dies, thereby making fighting so hard to save them pretty much pointless in the grand scheme of things. Not to mention that as soon as the Reapers took the Citadel, they would have begun harvesting the people on board...back in the people blender for you Kelly.

Bioware wanted a bittersweet ending. Well they remembered the bitter but forgot to add the sweet.

You don't make a character focused game and then shift the focus away from them at the end.

I remember finishing Dragon Age: Origins and feeling genuine emotion at the text screens, especially at the Leliana one (I romanced her) and at Sten's. Little things such as a barman dying in the battle of Redcliffe or helping a Dwarf start a chantry in Orzammar were touched on, all alongside the big decisions of the game such as who became ruler of Ferelden, the Dwarven King and who you recruited out of the Elves and the Werewolves.

When finishing Mass Effect 3 all I felt was numb, a sense of "meh!" fell over me. I didn't feel as if I had really accomplished anything because I never got to find out the results of my actions.

Fortunately the Extended Cut went some way to remedying this. It did however feel quite forced into the planned grand, speculative, ending they wanted but I applaud them for making the effort.

Now though I confess to using the MEHEM for most of my plays though the game. I still occasionally uninstall it and pick an official ending but over-all a fan creation, for me, wraps the trilogy up in a far better manner.


Damn. They did the same thing with KOTOR2. Lost the characters at the end.

Though on that occasion they remembered to add the character's who had the largest role of the antagonist for the protag to battle against, so it wasn't all bad. But still......

I'll never know what happened to the crew of the Ebon Hawke. There is enough there to speculate, but still......

There is more satisfaction to be had in seeing their stories play out, than hearing about what will happen to them......

.........then the planet explodes........

........and you don't know how they got off the planet when your character took the only ship and set off again, to fight the good fight, never to return.

Pretty sure the Probe died though.


maybe my memory is not exactly good, but the restored mod added a lot at the ending of kotor2. mostly dialogue, and a little

-SPOILER- epilogue for the companions in the form of some visions about the future. last "present" of the old lady. -SPOILER

playng from the first time with that mod, i didn't have a big sense of nonclosure, more of a "the adventure will continue". but I don't know about how was the ending without the mod, so I can be wrong. still, I think is not quite as inconclusive as ME3 endings pre EC. is not perfect, and there are still some unclair things, and doesn't feel totally complete (feels quite rushed, but at least the idea behind is more clear) there is room for improvement, but I liked the game.

Modifié par Felya87, 12 juillet 2013 - 03:42 .


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I hope that in mass effect 4 we are going to discover that the galaxy saved itself with conventional means and that all that happened in ME3 was just a bad trip of shepard who drank a strange liquid he found in the collectors base.

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Cobalt2113 wrote...

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Rubbish, it's a great game and NOT disappointing after the EC. Nuff said.


It's fairly subpar. Arguably even bad.


And also arguably good.

I literally just laugh when someone tries to say that ME3 is a bad game overall.

Tell me, if ME3 is subpar, what would you say is a game that is exactly on par? Your standards must be pretty bloody high.



Watch Angry Joe's Top 10 worst games of 2012 to get an idea of actuall how bad "bad games" are.

Modifié par pirate1802, 12 juillet 2013 - 04:24 .


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iakus wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

I did it.

I wasn't disappointed.

Welcome in world of different tastes, demands and opinions.


One would have thought a choice-based rpg would have respected that more


The irony comes from your MEHEM signature, which is renowned for removing choice.

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Felya87 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

voteDC wrote...

The issue for me was that Bioware wrapped up the grand story of defeating the reapers but forgot why people loved the games so much...the characters.

I read that Bioware were shocked that people thought that the turians and quarians were going to starve. Well with the relays exploding and the codex telling us exactly how long travel between systems takes even at FTL, how were people meant to think otherwise?

The same with the Citadel exploding. How were people meant to think anything other than everyone on there dies, thereby making fighting so hard to save them pretty much pointless in the grand scheme of things. Not to mention that as soon as the Reapers took the Citadel, they would have begun harvesting the people on board...back in the people blender for you Kelly.

Bioware wanted a bittersweet ending. Well they remembered the bitter but forgot to add the sweet.

You don't make a character focused game and then shift the focus away from them at the end.

I remember finishing Dragon Age: Origins and feeling genuine emotion at the text screens, especially at the Leliana one (I romanced her) and at Sten's. Little things such as a barman dying in the battle of Redcliffe or helping a Dwarf start a chantry in Orzammar were touched on, all alongside the big decisions of the game such as who became ruler of Ferelden, the Dwarven King and who you recruited out of the Elves and the Werewolves.

When finishing Mass Effect 3 all I felt was numb, a sense of "meh!" fell over me. I didn't feel as if I had really accomplished anything because I never got to find out the results of my actions.

Fortunately the Extended Cut went some way to remedying this. It did however feel quite forced into the planned grand, speculative, ending they wanted but I applaud them for making the effort.

Now though I confess to using the MEHEM for most of my plays though the game. I still occasionally uninstall it and pick an official ending but over-all a fan creation, for me, wraps the trilogy up in a far better manner.


Damn. They did the same thing with KOTOR2. Lost the characters at the end.

Though on that occasion they remembered to add the character's who had the largest role of the antagonist for the protag to battle against, so it wasn't all bad. But still......

I'll never know what happened to the crew of the Ebon Hawke. There is enough there to speculate, but still......

There is more satisfaction to be had in seeing their stories play out, than hearing about what will happen to them......

.........then the planet explodes........

........and you don't know how they got off the planet when your character took the only ship and set off again, to fight the good fight, never to return.

Pretty sure the Probe died though.


maybe my memory is not exactly good, but the restored mod added a lot at the ending of kotor2. mostly dialogue, and a little

-SPOILER- epilogue for the companions in the form of some visions about the future. last "present" of the old lady. -SPOILER

playng from the first time with that mod, i didn't have a big sense of nonclosure, more of a "the adventure will continue". but I don't know about how was the ending without the mod, so I can be wrong. still, I think is not quite as inconclusive as ME3 endings pre EC. is not perfect, and there are still some unclair things, and doesn't feel totally complete (feels quite rushed, but at least the idea behind is more clear) there is room for improvement, but I liked the game.


Aye, Kreia told you what will happen to them in the future. But as far as I was aware they were all aboard the Hawke when it crashed. And no other ships left planet that we are aware of other than the Hawke that fell down a fissure. So either everyone stayed aboard the Hawke and didn't follow the exile......except Mira who went for a walk and found her Wookie Nemesis,  Or they were all out of the Hawke..... or a mix in between.

The point is, the narrative failed to place the characters in a setting, much like the problem with the teleporting shipmates in ME3. Leading to the premise that it is not important where characters are, as long as they appear or disappear when needed without explanation

And as a story writer I can tell you that premise is false. When undergoing creative writing courses one of the things people would usually get flagged up on is giving the reader the narration they need to pack off the uneeded character to an 'out of shot' storage area where they are implied to be carrying out tasks....... in the readers own mind, by providing the words to that effect before moving along the next item to be read.

That way, if a character disapears to a workshop, and later the lead story character comes to a work shop, the reader is not surprised to discover the packed off character in residence.

Buuuuut

I agree that KOTOR 2 gave a greater sense of closure.

Must have been the old lady reveal and the boss fight.

Modifié par Redbelle, 12 juillet 2013 - 04:41 .


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This is like a warning that got trapped in a temporal anomaly & arrived much much too late, as on release i experienced the horrendous trainwreck that is the ME3 ending. Then i discovered it was still a horrendous trainwreck of an ending even after they'd tied a pretty yellow ribbon round it with EC.

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I just bought the game a month ago, and came to (somewhat) similar conclusions. It goes to show that people can come to these conclusions on their own. It's not some isolated thing, relegated to this site's regulars.. as it seems some people have wondered. The ending speaks for itself. Err.. or it doesn't speak at all. However you want to put it. :)

Modifié par StreetMagic, 12 juillet 2013 - 05:19 .


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JamesFaith wrote...

I did it.

I wasn't disappointed.

Welcome in world of different tastes, demands and opinions.


+1

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I don't know how you can call MEHEM bad fanfiction, it's as straightforward as the original ending is contrived.  The catalyst activates, Shepard passes out, the Normandy sends in a shuttle, they get him/her out, red ray kills the Reapers.  THE - END.

Since you would have to rewrite all of ME3 to eliminate the catalyst altogether and come up with a different way to stop the Reapers, MEHEM worked with the material it was given.

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Valhart wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

I did it.

I wasn't disappointed.

Welcome in world of different tastes, demands and opinions.


+1

+727934

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From what I've seen and read people who hated the ME3 ending can be divided into two groups:

1) People who hate the ending because they think it was bad story telling and writing, I can empathize with these people, whilst I think the ending was flawed I thought it was okay.

2) People who hate the ending because it wasn't emotionally uplifting and they didn't finish with a big smile on their face. These types of people tend to hate films with bittersweet or sad endings, often confusing something that makes them feel sad with something that is bad/terrible, they just aren't particularly good at processing negative emotions.

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Why not both?

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dan155 wrote...
People who hate the ending because it wasn't emotionally uplifting and they didn't finish with a big smile on their face. These types of people tend to hate films with bittersweet or sad endings, often confusing something that makes them feel sad with something that is bad/terrible, they just aren't particularly good at processing negative emotions.


Haha, yeah, right. Nice one Freud. ME1: you shoot reapers, you get the girl and you go home. ME2: shoot collectors, get the girl and go home. I mean, why would anyone ever expect more of the same in the grand finale? LIke, after ME1 and ME2 it makes total sense for ME3 to come up with some wannabe Pullitzer pseudo philosophical transhumanism artsy farsty sacrifice bs ending and anyone that doesn't get that is just bad at processing negative emotions.

I mean, hearing the catalyst prattle on about Shepard's essence or Edi about the new dna ... They should've seriously won the Pullitzer price.

Modifié par Fnork, 12 juillet 2013 - 08:21 .


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OP, I believe you'll be much happier with the ending if you download the (free, as I'm sure you know) Extended Cut. It improves a lot things that you were disappointed with.

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Cobalt2113 wrote...


Just to offer one possible explanation.

It could be that when somone tries to argue something that's positive, they're labelled as troll, boot-licker or being in the pocket of EA or Bioware (2 of those in this thread already).

And yet when somebody makes a thread to try and focus on the positive aspects of ME3, particularly the ending, it gets trolled and derailed with negitivity by multiple people. Who all of a sudden "have the right to state their opinions".

Surely anyone here can see the contradiction.

Its not that, its just most of the time bovik comes with one line saying this isnt right beause i say so.
He never brings new information to the table or explain his opinions. his usual move is. X is a Y because i say its a Y

Most of us love to hear differnt opinions since it what makes thing here fun. the ability to debate and hone our skills and mind.

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erezike wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...


Just to offer one possible explanation.

It could be that when somone tries to argue something that's positive, they're labelled as troll, boot-licker or being in the pocket of EA or Bioware (2 of those in this thread already).

And yet when somebody makes a thread to try and focus on the positive aspects of ME3, particularly the ending, it gets trolled and derailed with negitivity by multiple people. Who all of a sudden "have the right to state their opinions".

Surely anyone here can see the contradiction.

Its not that, its just most of the time bovik comes with one line saying this isnt right beause i say so.
He never brings new information to the table or explain his opinions. his usual move is. X is a Y because i say its a Y

Most of us love to hear differnt opinions since it what makes thing here fun. the ability to debate and hone our skills and mind.


In that case I hope you would valiantly accuse from trolling everyone who just visit thread to write "Space magic!" or some variation on "It was artistic!" which is happening here too yet these people aren't never accused from trolling.

Or are your rightful eyes :blink: fixed only on Brovvik?

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Robosexual wrote...

iakus wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

I did it.

I wasn't disappointed.

Welcome in world of different tastes, demands and opinions.


One would have thought a choice-based rpg would have respected that more


The irony comes from your MEHEM signature, which is renowned for removing choice.


Nope.

I chose to install it.  A ghostly child didn't do it for me.  I chose to play it.  I wasn't told I had to or Shepard and everyone he loves would die.  If I wanted to, I could run the uninstaller and go back to vanilla EC.

But I choose not to.  BEcause, as my sig says, I believe Shepard deserved better.

And I repeat:  It's a pity Bioware did not respect those fans who wanted that choice.

Modifié par iakus, 12 juillet 2013 - 09:10 .


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JamesFaith wrote...

In that case I hope you would valiantly accuse from trolling everyone who just visit thread to write "Space magic!" or some variation on "It was artistic!" which is happening here too yet these people aren't never accused from trolling.

Or are your rightful eyes :blink: fixed only on Brovvik?

I am from the camp of players who loved me2 and hated me3 plot-writing.  I focus my wrath on the players from the camp of pro me3. 
Its not in my duties to do their job for them...:wizard:

Modifié par erezike, 12 juillet 2013 - 09:30 .


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ioannisdenton wrote...

Nonsense.
TRUE story:
One friend of mine, i lent him my Me trilogy with my Psn account and he played ALL MAss effect content (with DLC).
He finished it earlier today.
He was Blown away.


True story, 

A friend of mine never played the ME games until he heard about the controversy. Despite my recommendation he decided to play the games, in sequence, and when I asked "what did you think about the ending?" The only reply I got was "Garbage". Then we never spoke of it again.

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erezike wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

In that case I hope you would valiantly accuse from trolling everyone who just visit thread to write "Space magic!" or some variation on "It was artistic!" which is happening here too yet these people aren't never accused from trolling.

Or are your rightful eyes :blink: fixed only on Brovvik?

I am from the camp of players who loved me2 and hated me3 plot-writing.  I focus my wrath on the players from the camp of pro me3. 
Its not in my duties to do their job for them...:wizard:


Ah, classical biased hypocrisy.

OK.

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sveners wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

Nonsense.
TRUE story:
One friend of mine, i lent him my Me trilogy with my Psn account and he played ALL MAss effect content (with DLC).
He finished it earlier today.
He was Blown away.


True story, 

A friend of mine never played the ME games until he heard about the controversy. Despite my recommendation he decided to play the games, in sequence, and when I asked "what did you think about the ending?" The only reply I got was "Garbage". Then we never spoke of it again.

A friend of mine played me1 and me2. he was blown away.
then he played me3...

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JamesFaith wrote...

I did it.

I wasn't disappointed.

Welcome in world of different tastes, demands and opinions.


+1

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erezike wrote...

sveners wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

Nonsense.
TRUE story: 
One friend of mine, i lent him my Me trilogy with my Psn account and he played ALL MAss effect content (with DLC).
He finished it earlier today.
He was Blown away.


True story, 

A friend of mine never played the ME games until he heard about the controversy. Despite my recommendation he decided to play the games, in sequence, and when I asked "what did you think about the ending?" The only reply I got was "Garbage". Then we never spoke of it again.

A friend of mine played me1 and me2. he was blown away.
then he played me3...

Yeah? A friend of mine played the entire trilogy, loathed ME1, thought ME2 was so-so, loved ME3, then changed his name to "Vega Javik Shepard" because of how much he now adores the series and got the N7 logo tattoed on his left butt-cheek.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 12 juillet 2013 - 09:53 .


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N7 Tattoe on his left butt-cheek? Great determination.
it does sound like something vega and cortez would do.


On the subject- i never quite undestood why people played sequels to games they didnt like.

Modifié par erezike, 12 juillet 2013 - 09:58 .


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dreamgazer wrote...

Yeah? A friend of mine played the entire trilogy, loathed ME1, thought ME2 was so-so, loved ME3, then changed his name to "Vega Javik Shepard" because of how much he now adores the series and got the N7 logo tattoed on his left butt-cheek.


I have little suspision that you are lying about that left butt-cheek (right would be better place) but beside this it is same plausible as any "true story of my friend" argument here.