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[dreamgazer]

JamesFaith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Yeah? A friend of mine played the entire trilogy, loathed ME1, thought ME2 was so-so, loved ME3, then changed his name to "Vega Javik Shepard" because of how much he now adores the series and got the N7 logo tattoed on his left butt-cheek.

I have little suspision that you are lying about that left butt-cheek (right would be better place) but beside this it is same plausible as any "true story of my friend" argument here.

Sorry, yeah. It was the right cheek.

(On the money, James.)

[sveners]

dreamgazer wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Yeah? A friend of mine played the entire trilogy, loathed ME1, thought ME2 was so-so, loved ME3, then changed his name to "Vega Javik Shepard" because of how much he now adores the series and got the N7 logo tattoed on his left butt-cheek.

I have little suspision that you are lying about that left butt-cheek (right would be better place) but beside this it is same plausible as any "true story of my friend" argument here.

Sorry, yeah. It was the right cheek.

(On the money, James.)

True story,

My true story was true.

Tis' true!

[JamesFaith]

sveners wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Yeah? A friend of mine played the entire trilogy, loathed ME1, thought ME2 was so-so, loved ME3, then changed his name to "Vega Javik Shepard" because of how much he now adores the series and got the N7 logo tattoed on his left butt-cheek.

I have little suspision that you are lying about that left butt-cheek (right would be better place) but beside this it is same plausible as any "true story of my friend" argument here.

Sorry, yeah. It was the right cheek.

(On the money, James.)

True story,

My true story was true.

Tis' true!

Sorry, this is BSN.

The true is out there. 

[dreamgazer]

Yes, and I've had conversations with people in real-life, friends and work colleagues, who both liked and disliked ME3 and its ending for various reasons. Same goes for the other games in the series, and several pretty popular movies. True story.

[sveners]

dreamgazer wrote...

Yes, and I've had conversations with people in real-life, friends and work colleagues, who both liked and disliked ME3 and its ending for various reasons. Same goes for the other games in the series, and several pretty popular movies. True story.

I don't believe you for no apparent reason!


on an unrelated note, how many off topic replies equate to a deraliment?

[Hadeedak]

My boyfriend had a hilarious reaction to the original endings. He fluctuated wildly between rage, wanting to understand, and flat out denial.

My reaction was a little less dramatic, and is pretty easy to find in the threads of the time. I maintain it sure wasn't GOOD, or even all right, but it wasn't the ARGH THE SKY IS FALLING MY SOUL IS RIPPED OUT OH THE AGONY level of bad people were ascribing to it.

Nowadays, we both rather like the endings. They're not great, but they're pretty all right.

[sveners]

Hadeedak wrote...

My boyfriend had a hilarious reaction to the original endings. He fluctuated wildly between rage, wanting to understand, and flat out denial.

My reaction was a little less dramatic, and is pretty easy to find in the threads of the time. I maintain it sure wasn't GOOD, or even all right, but it wasn't the ARGH THE SKY IS FALLING MY SOUL IS RIPPED OUT OH THE AGONY level of bad people were ascribing to it.

Nowadays, we both rather like the endings. They're not great, but they're pretty all right.

I'm pretty sure the "ARGH THE SKY IS FALLING MY SOUL IS RIPPED OUT OH THE AGONY" level was reserved for the people who had REALLY invested in Mass Effect.

Less involvement means more "meh", than anything else

[Erez Kristal]

Wait? the sky didnt fall?
My reaction towards Dragon age 2 was a meh.
I am still digesting Mass effect 3
Great multiplayer game, bad singleplayer game.

[SpamBot2000]

Yes, worst video game ending ever is still worst video game ending ever. And yes, it did give me a "depressive episode". 

Your warning is correct, but a little late.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 13 juillet 2013 - 07:06 .

[ioannisdenton]

dreamgazer wrote...

erezike wrote...

sveners wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

Nonsense.
TRUE story: 
One friend of mine, i lent him my Me trilogy with my Psn account and he played ALL MAss effect content (with DLC).
He finished it earlier today.
He was Blown away.

True story, 

A friend of mine never played the ME games until he heard about the controversy. Despite my recommendation he decided to play the games, in sequence, and when I asked "what did you think about the ending?" The only reply I got was "Garbage". Then we never spoke of it again.

A friend of mine played me1 and me2. he was blown away.
then he played me3...

Yeah? A friend of mine played the entire trilogy, loathed ME1, thought ME2 was so-so, loved ME3, then changed his name to "Vega Javik Shepard" because of how much he now adores the series and got the N7 logo tattoed on his left butt-cheek.

No offence to any of the above but:
what is all this?
I have no reason to invent a "true story".
I do not own stocks of bioware nor i ve nothing to do all day but bash or praise mass effect 3 nor i am a fanboy.
I just stated a real life example as to why Mass effect 3 is not the end of the gaming-world some of you say, an example not all people hate the game, shocking isn't it?
MANY people including me are happy with Me3.
Have you ever played a dissapointing game at all?
If only Mass effect 3 and it's EC ending were dissapointing and garbage...

[sveners]

ioannisdenton wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

erezike wrote...

sveners wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

Nonsense.
TRUE story: 
One friend of mine, i lent him my Me trilogy with my Psn account and he played ALL MAss effect content (with DLC).
He finished it earlier today.
He was Blown away.

True story, 

A friend of mine never played the ME games until he heard about the controversy. Despite my recommendation he decided to play the games, in sequence, and when I asked "what did you think about the ending?" The only reply I got was "Garbage". Then we never spoke of it again.

A friend of mine played me1 and me2. he was blown away.
then he played me3...

Yeah? A friend of mine played the entire trilogy, loathed ME1, thought ME2 was so-so, loved ME3, then changed his name to "Vega Javik Shepard" because of how much he now adores the series and got the N7 logo tattoed on his left butt-cheek.

No offence to any of the above but:
what is all this?
I have no reason to invent a "true story".
I do not own stocks of bioware nor i ve nothing to do all day but bash or praise mass effect 3 nor i am a fanboy.
I just stated a real life example as to why Mass effect 3 is not the end of the gaming-world some of you say, an example not all people hate the game, shocking isn't it?
MANY people including me are happy with Me3.
Have you ever played a dissapointing game at all?
If only Mass effect 3 and it's EC ending were dissapointing and garbage...

Maybe we also wanted to share our own true stories? Well, mine was at least.. ^^

It's also a bit irritating to see someone compare ME3 to other disappointing games. ME3 was the final game in a 3 part series started 5 years ago, with 100+ hours of total gameplay, and the illusion of choice mattering. There have been no other games such as this. There are no other games to compare it with.

You could perhaps compare it to a long book series, tv series etc. Perhaps the Dark Tower series by Stephen King. It had a controversial ending. It was, however, not in any way interactive. It was just a passive read.

Of course there are people, many even, who are happy with ME3. I can, however, say with some degree of certainty (based on the outcry) that more fans were disappointed with this game than the previous two. Even Dragon Age 2.

[AlanC9]

sveners wrote...
It's also a bit irritating to see someone compare ME3 to other disappointing games. ME3 was the final game in a 3 part series started 5 years ago, with 100+ hours of total gameplay, and the illusion of choice mattering. There have been no other games such as this. There are no other games to compare it with.

And probably won't be again. ME3 did more to carry over your  previous game's choices hoices that any RPG in history, and all Bio seems to have accomplished is making plain the difference between what fans want from such a game and what's actually practical to do.

[Dubozz]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Yes, worst video game ending ever is still worst video game ending ever. And yes, it did give me a "depressive episode". 

Your warning is correct, but a little late.

[Iakus]

sveners wrote...

Of course there are people, many even, who are happy with ME3. I can, however, say with some degree of certainty (based on the outcry) that more fans were disappointed with this game than the previous two. Even Dragon Age 2.

DA2's ending, for all it's faults and overall weakness, is a model of creativity and player agency compared to ME3's ending.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

AlanC9 wrote...

sveners wrote...
It's also a bit irritating to see someone compare ME3 to other disappointing games. ME3 was the final game in a 3 part series started 5 years ago, with 100+ hours of total gameplay, and the illusion of choice mattering. There have been no other games such as this. There are no other games to compare it with.

And probably won't be again. ME3 did more to carry over your  previous game's choices hoices that any RPG in history, and all Bio seems to have accomplished is making plain the difference between what fans want from such a game and what's actually practical to do.

I think this is partially why we're seeing more of a movement towards convincing Bioware to abandon the save import.

I'm not saying it's a widespread thing, but for some ME3 has made clear just how difficult it is to battle expectations.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

sveners wrote...
It's also a bit irritating to see someone compare ME3 to other disappointing games. ME3 was the final game in a 3 part series started 5 years ago, with 100+ hours of total gameplay, and the illusion of choice mattering. There have been no other games such as this. There are no other games to compare it with.

And probably won't be again. ME3 did more to carry over your  previous game's choices hoices that any RPG in history, and all Bio seems to have accomplished is making plain the difference between what fans want from such a game and what's actually practical to do.

If the illusion can't be maintained over three games, then it's best not to pretend otherwise.  This way you only wreck one game instead of three.

Seriously, I found BG1-BG2-ToB a smoother more enjoyable transition than the ME trilogy (of course, in a Dungeons and Dragons world, spending two years dead would have made more sense, I admit)

[Hadeedak]

sveners wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

My boyfriend had a hilarious reaction to the original endings. He fluctuated wildly between rage, wanting to understand, and flat out denial.

My reaction was a little less dramatic, and is pretty easy to find in the threads of the time. I maintain it sure wasn't GOOD, or even all right, but it wasn't the ARGH THE SKY IS FALLING MY SOUL IS RIPPED OUT OH THE AGONY level of bad people were ascribing to it.

Nowadays, we both rather like the endings. They're not great, but they're pretty all right.

I'm pretty sure the "ARGH THE SKY IS FALLING MY SOUL IS RIPPED OUT OH THE AGONY" level was reserved for the people who had REALLY invested in Mass Effect.

Less involvement means more "meh", than anything else

I was pretty invested at the time -- it was pretty much the only series (or games) I could stand to play. I'm a sucker for story, and kind of hate most vidja games for that reason. I've branched out a bit in the past two years. And I sure had my share of Shepards to import. And I talked about it and them, a lot.


'Course, I also hadn't really been on the internet re: Mass Effect or whatnot, so I was pretty much handling it like a choose your own adventure book where you could make either choice and not get eaten by a t-rex for arbitrary reasons. Also, I was and am a huge Asimov fan, so instead of being totally at sea, I thought it was a tribute/reference. I do rather like it when the Mass Effect series does some of the classic scenarios or shout-outs to the shows and writers that made the genre what it is. 

[Erez Kristal]

ioannisdenton wrote...

No offence to any of the above but:
what is all this?
I have no reason to invent a "true story".
I do not own stocks of bioware nor i ve nothing to do all day but bash or praise mass effect 3 nor i am a fanboy.
I just stated a real life example as to why Mass effect 3 is not the end of the gaming-world some of you say, an example not all people hate the game, shocking isn't it?
MANY people including me are happy with Me3.
Have you ever played a dissapointing game at all?
If only Mass effect 3 and it's EC ending were dissapointing and garbage...

Such premise, such flame, such passion.

There are many games out there worse than me3.
I played other terrible games in my life, whenever i encounter a terribile game that is suppose to be a good game. i play it for a few hours and stop. I never stop to give it much thought afterwards. 
It took me only a few hours until i got completly bored with: world in conflict, longest journey-dreamfall, guildwars 2.  farcry 2 and many other games.
The difference is, i didnt really care that much about those games. i did care a lot about the world of mass effect.

Which is what make it so dissapointing. 

Instead of telling me i shouldnt care and how much mass effect 3 is a wonderful game. why dont you take notice to my real complaint about it and argue for their worth.

[Erez Kristal]

iakus wrote...

sveners wrote...

Of course there are people, many even, who are happy with ME3. I can, however, say with some degree of certainty (based on the outcry) that more fans were disappointed with this game than the previous two. Even Dragon Age 2.

DA2's ending, for all it's faults and overall weakness, is a model of creativity and player agency compared to ME3's ending.

I second this. dragon age 2 lacks in gameplay. its story is ok and doesnt leave you with a bad feeling while playing it.

[Tyzx]

When the ending came, I was flabbergasted. I was like "what just happened???" the nicest way to end it would be playing the Citadel DLC and just stop from there. don't go on, you will just get depressed.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The story of Mass Effect 3 works like this now. I really can't stand it. It is the destruction of everything I loved about the Mass Effect Universe. We have to do the Leaving Earth -- well it was kind of a ****** hole anyway. We have to do Mars. Palaven? Well we never saw it, we only saw the moon and it was a chunk of rock. We can pick up our troll Javik, and our friend Jack, and meet Miranda. Tuchanka was a dump to begin with. Then we can go help Aria take back Omega. Go back to our Apartment on the Citadel and party. Call the end of The Citadel DLC THE END. The TV series got cancelled mid-season.

Then put the game back in the box because why bother? The rest of the story sucks. The ending sucks, so why bother finishing it? You've already played the best part. The reapers magically disintegrate into a harmless dust due to some virus they picked up in Batarian space and it's over.

So it's: Leaving Earth > Palaven > Javik > Jack > Miranda > War Council > Tuchanka > Coup > Lock in your LI > Omega DLC > Citadel DLC > End of Game.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 13 juillet 2013 - 05:56 .

[hiraeth]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The story of Mass Effect 3 works like this now. I really can't stand it. It is the destruction of everything I loved about the Mass Effect Universe. We have to do the Leaving Earth -- well it was kind of a ****** hole anyway. We have to do Mars. Palaven? Well we never saw it, we only saw the moon and it was a chunk of rock. We can pick up our troll Javik, and our friend Jack, and meet Miranda. Tuchanka was a dump to begin with. Then we can go help Aria take back Omega. Go back to our Apartment on the Citadel and party. Call the end of The Citadel DLC THE END. The TV series got cancelled mid-season.

Then put the game back in the box because why bother? The rest of the story sucks. The ending sucks, so why bother finishing it? You've already played the best part. The reapers magically disintegrate into a harmless dust due to some virus they picked up in Batarian space and it's over.

+1

[Clayless]

iakus wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The irony comes from your MEHEM signature, which is renowned for removing choice.

Nope.

I chose to install it.  A ghostly child didn't do it for me.  I chose to play it.  I wasn't told I had to or Shepard and everyone he loves would die.  If I wanted to, I could run the uninstaller and go back to vanilla EC.

But I choose not to.  BEcause, as my sig says, I believe Shepard deserved better.

And I repeat:  It's a pity Bioware did not respect those fans who wanted that choice.

Yes, you chose to remove choice and are dissappointed Bioware didn't remove choice in a choice based game.

It's not complicated.

[ioannisdenton]

erezike wrote...

iakus wrote...

sveners wrote...

Of course there are people, many even, who are happy with ME3. I can, however, say with some degree of certainty (based on the outcry) that more fans were disappointed with this game than the previous two. Even Dragon Age 2.

DA2's ending, for all it's faults and overall weakness, is a model of creativity and player agency compared to ME3's ending.

I second this. dragon age 2 lacks in gameplay. its story is ok and doesnt leave you with a bad feeling while playing it.

What? Da2 combat is great and addicting. i am replaying the game now for the 4th time and i am playing with different set of skills. It is totally viable and the strategy has changed too.
Da2 sure has lots of strategy and not just button awesomeness IF one plays it on hard or nightmare difficuly (same as mass effect games) . Way more strategy than DAO that is.