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[MassivelyEffective0730]

iakus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You think the life of one single A.I. sexbot is too high of a price for destroying the reapers?


Sacrificing one life.... of a robot.... to end the reaper thread.... is too much? Wow, okay...

How about all synthetic life everywhere in the galaxy?  

Yeah, too high.

And the point that is in such an arbitrary manner. That's what's rather aggravating about it.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You think the life of one single A.I. sexbot is too high of a price for destroying the reapers?


Sacrificing one life.... of a robot.... to end the reaper thread.... is too much? Wow, okay...

How about all synthetic life everywhere in the galaxy?  

Yeah, too high.

And the point that is in such an arbitrary manner. That's what's rather aggravating about it.

Destroy gets rid of anything and everything with machine parts, also why Shepard can be affected. It's nothing more than a glorified EMP. It's one of the few things about the ending that's believable.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 14 juillet 2013 - 05:54 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I don't really see why Shepard must live for an ending to be happy.

Control means the Reapers conquer the galaxy. Sure, under new management, but yeah, I consider that "dark"

It does not.

He doesn't have to live for an ending to be happy. But neither does he have to die.

It's a matter of perspective. You're both right. Like it or not, in control, effectively the Reapers are running the show, be it paragon or renegade. Shepard is now the Reaper Master controller, and he is directing them to take charge.

How he or you chooses to feel about it is entirely up to you and him.

[dreamgazer]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Destroy gets rid of anything and everything with machine parts, also why Shepard can be affected. It's nothing more than a glorified EMP. It's one of the few things about the ending that's believable.

Pretty much.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You think the life of one single A.I. sexbot is too high of a price for destroying the reapers?


Sacrificing one life.... of a robot.... to end the reaper thread.... is too much? Wow, okay...

How about all synthetic life everywhere in the galaxy?  

Yeah, too high.

And the point that is in such an arbitrary manner. That's what's rather aggravating about it.

Destroy gets rid of anything and everything with machine parts, also why Shepard can be affected. It's nothing more than a glorified EMP. It's one of the few things about the ending that's believable.

That's when you start to come up with the flaws in the narrative of making the Crucible "work" properly. How does it distinguish?

I still think the ending should have been based off of exploiting indoctrination effects. Similar to ME1. Overload the Reaper long enough to kill it.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 14 juillet 2013 - 05:58 .

[Eryri]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Destroy gets rid of anything and everything with machine parts, also why Shepard can be affected. It's nothing more than a glorified EMP. It's one of the few things about the ending that's believable.

It's more believable that the other 2 colours, granted, but it's still not without its problems. It still leaves non-sentient machinery, like the Alliance ships, unharmed. That makes no sense, unless the red wave can somehow tell if a machine happens to be self aware or not before frying it, which is well above what your average EMP would be able to do.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Eryri wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Destroy gets rid of anything and everything with machine parts, also why Shepard can be affected. It's nothing more than a glorified EMP. It's one of the few things about the ending that's believable.

It's more believable that the other 2 colours, granted, but it's still not without its problems. It still leaves non-sentient machinery, like the Alliance ships, unharmed. That makes no sense, unless the red wave can somehow tell if a machine happens to be self aware or not before frying it, which is well above what your average EMP would be able to do.

What about Control is not believable? Seems pretty straightforward: reprogramming synthetics.

[Iakus]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I don't really see why Shepard must live for an ending to be happy.

And I don't see why Shepard's death must be railroaded in virtually every outcome.  Guess what?  Some people actually like it when the hero pulls through.

The horror!  

Control means the Reapers conquer the galaxy. Sure, under new management, but yeah, I consider that "dark"

It does not.

It does, you see.  I consider it dark.  Shepard minus humanity as the new Overlord =bad ending for me.

You can't tell me how to think!  

Well, you can, but I'll ignore you 

[AlanC9]

[quote]MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
 Not even tonally. You ought to know that as a Soldier. We don't compromise. We succeed. We accomplish. We win.[/quote]

Soldiers win every time?You obviously don't mean that; can I take this to mean that soldiers try to win until some politicians somewhere call it off? And Shepard's out of his role in the endgame because he's considering such matters?

[quote]
The ending never tries to change the fact that people die. What it does do is add in an arbitrary cost of either Shepard's life or that of Synthetics... because! The ending literally makes you choose what your cost is for rejecting the Reapers or aligning with them in their goal. You don't accept our problem? Fine, you lose this entire allocation of life for not accepting our logic and not agreeing with us.[/quote]
[/quote]

One thing I've noticed around here is that people who don't particularly care what the Catalyst wants tend to have much less of a problem with the endings.

[Iakus]

Morocco Mole wrote...

But Shepard lives in Destroy

A faceless torso gasps.

And even getting that much requires a synthetic holocaust.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Eryri wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Destroy gets rid of anything and everything with machine parts, also why Shepard can be affected. It's nothing more than a glorified EMP. It's one of the few things about the ending that's believable.

It's more believable that the other 2 colours, granted, but it's still not without its problems. It still leaves non-sentient machinery, like the Alliance ships, unharmed. That makes no sense, unless the red wave can somehow tell if a machine happens to be self aware or not before frying it, which is well above what your average EMP would be able to do.

Fair point. I forgot about all that.

[Iakus]

Morocco Mole wrote...

It's pretty apparent that it is Shepard and that s/he survived though.

ALone, badly injured, not getting up, and in a hidden part of the Citadel, where apparantly everyone but a now-Force Sensistive LI have given up on Shep.

And even getting that much requires a synthetic holocaust.

They'd do the same

And that makes it okay?

[Iakus]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Eryri wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Destroy gets rid of anything and everything with machine parts, also why Shepard can be affected. It's nothing more than a glorified EMP. It's one of the few things about the ending that's believable.

It's more believable that the other 2 colours, granted, but it's still not without its problems. It still leaves non-sentient machinery, like the Alliance ships, unharmed. That makes no sense, unless the red wave can somehow tell if a machine happens to be self aware or not before frying it, which is well above what your average EMP would be able to do.

Fair point. I forgot about all that.

It gets worse:

The Catalyst ponts out to Shepard that "Even you are partly synthetic" yet EDI told SHepard earlier that  despite the cyberneticsShepard's mind is still totally organic.

Yet Shepard is still at risk from the blast wave.

This means that others at risk should have included everyone with cybernetics, in particular quarians and salarians.  As well as everyone with developed biotic abilities.

But of course, Bioware whitewashed over this in EC.  Because let's face it, these endings were not well thought out at all.

[Iakus]

Morocco Mole wrote...

ALone, badly injured, not getting up, and in a hidden part of the Citadel, where apparantly everyone but a now-Force Sensistive LI have given up on Shep.

This is just making it pointlessly dark. We all know Shepard is going to get dragged out of the rubble. Don't even delude yourself.

No, that's an accurate picture of what we are shown.  If you wnat to paint rainbows on top of it, be my guess.  Just remember it's headcanon/fanfiction/alltheotherstuffpeople saytomockMEHEM

[The Heretic of Time]

iakus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You think the life of one single A.I. sexbot is too high of a price for destroying the reapers?


Sacrificing one life.... of a robot.... to end the reaper thread.... is too much? Wow, okay...

How about all synthetic life everywhere in the galaxy?  

Yeah, too high.

The only synthetic life left in the galaxy are the reapers and EDI.

Obviously the reapers need to die. EDI is just a casualty. A small sacrifice for the greater good. Can't say I care though. I never liked her anyway.

[The Heretic of Time]

Morocco Mole wrote...

MEHEM is fanfiction though

Who said anything about MEHEM?

[Steelcan]

Is there any word from BioWare on the synthetic AI race?

[The Heretic of Time]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

iakus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You think the life of one single A.I. sexbot is too high of a price for destroying the reapers?


Sacrificing one life.... of a robot.... to end the reaper thread.... is too much? Wow, okay...

How about all synthetic life everywhere in the galaxy?  

Yeah, too high.

The only synthetic life left in the galaxy are the reapers and EDI.

Obviously the reapers need to die. EDI is just a casualty. A small sacrifice for the greater good. Can't say I care though. I never liked her anyway.

I thought it was a funny bit of foreshadowing how after Rannoch EDI was complaining about how my Shepard would probably be willing to sacrifice her for organics. She's pretty astute.

Jep. Gotta give it to EDI, for an annoying talking space-ship with the most unfunny jokes ever, she was quite smart.