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[Aolbain]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...


Ya, I love it here. ME3 team are snobbish and hostile to fans <_<

Maybe, but the people on the ME3 board are snobbish and hostile to everyone.

Kettle, meet Pot.

Let me re-phrase. Not everyone on the ME3 board are snobbish and hostile. Only those whose posts I've read.

[dragondreamer]

Having race choice back is one of the things I want most, seeing as I'd prefer to play an elf.  I'd also like to see the Warden again.  But making angry demands is really unconstructive.  

[Talagen]

Plaintiff wrote...

"There is only one kind of Dragon Age fan! The kind that has the same opinions as me! Listen only to me and those who agree with me! Anyone who claims to want different things from the Dragon Age series is not a real fan at all, but secretly hates the games and wants them to be bad!

I am Queen Deadlite! I speak for all consumers and my word is law! Tremble before the mighty weight of my incontravertible opinion, for reality itself bends to my whim!"

Ohhhh!!!  Can I be Queen too????

[Ozida]

Aolbain wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...
Ya, I love it here. ME3 team are snobbish and hostile to fans <_<

Maybe, but the people on the ME3 board are snobbish and hostile to everyone. 

Nonsense. I was from ME3 forums originally before moving to DA3 forums. Do I look snobbish
and hostile to you? 

We only wanted to get heard (which never happened). Besides, give it some time and see how " snobbish and hostile" some DA fans will get after the game is released (whatever the reason will be, like missed LIs, no Warden referrences, etc.).  

Modifié par Ozida, 12 juillet 2013 - 10:55 .

[Talagen]

Ozida wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...
Ya, I love it here. ME3 team are snobbish and hostile to fans <_<

Maybe, but the people on the ME3 board are snobbish and hostile to everyone. 

Nonsense. I was from ME3 forums originally before moving to DA3 forums. Do I look snobbish
and hostile to you? 

We only wanted to get heard (which never happened). Besides, give it some time and see how " snobbish and hostile" some DA fans will get after the game is released (whatever the reason will be, like missed LIs, no Warden referrences, etc.).  

We already had that game released ...It's called "Dragon Age 2"....

[Aolbain]

Ozida wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...
Ya, I love it here. ME3 team are snobbish and hostile to fans <_<

Maybe, but the people on the ME3 board are snobbish and hostile to everyone. 

Nonsense. I was from ME3 forums originally before moving to DA3 forums. Do I look snobbish
and hostile to you? 

Not really. You might be, but in that case you hide it well and that is almost as good.
Its been awhile since I visited the ME3 forums but what I remember is mostely bitternes and flamewars. Might have changed though. 

[Ozida]

Talagen wrote...

Ozida wrote...
We only wanted to get heard (which never happened). Besides, give it some time and see how " snobbish and hostile" some DA fans will get after the game is released (whatever the reason will be, like missed LIs, no Warden referrences, etc.).  

We already had that game released ...It's called "Dragon Age 2"....

Touché! 

Although, I did not have that many issues with DA2… after ME3.

Aolbain wrote...
Not really. You might be, but in that case you hide it well and that is almost as good.
Its been awhile since I visited the ME3 forums but what I remember is mostely bitternes and flamewars. Might have changed though.  

 

Well, what can I say? It was a very vocal minority.... ba dum tss.

Anyway, back on topic, I hope DA3 will be a good game.

Modifié par Ozida, 12 juillet 2013 - 11:24 .

[Aolbain]

Ozida wrote...


Anyway, back on topic, I hope DA3 will be a good game.

That I can agree to!

Modifié par Aolbain, 12 juillet 2013 - 11:41 .

[Volus Warlord]

Aolbain wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...


Ya, I love it here. ME3 team are snobbish and hostile to fans <_<

Maybe, but the people on the ME3 board are snobbish and hostile to everyone.

Kettle, meet Pot.

Let me re-phrase. Not everyone on the ME3 board are snobbish and hostile. Only those whose posts I've read.

Yeah, that does not redeem your statement at all. 

[MarchoftheVolus]

David Gaider wrote...
Which fans? Near as I've ever been able to tell, our fans aren't of a single mind regarding anything... and that's even among the small subset that choose to come to our forums.

No, not all of Bioware fans agre 100%. But when a large majority ask for a certan feature or ask to get rid of a certain feature it sems like you guys just shoot it down imediatley, sometimes without even bothering to explain why.

David Gaider wrote...
"Everyone" is not telling us this.

True, but a god portion of your fans are telling you this and again you guys shoot it down imediatley. And at the end of the day we're the ones who keep you guys in busines.

David Gaider wrote...
Just to be clear: us listening to what some fans express a desire for isn't going to translate into us always agreeing or even being able to implement those desires. We will, in the end, need to pick a path that accomodates our resources and our own intentions... and we'll take into account what fans express a desire for, even if we can't possibly accommodate everyone.
If someone feels alienated by our choices, then they shouldn't buy the game. That's what being a consumer is all about. If we don't have enough consumers once all that is said and done, we will indeed not have a game or a company for much longer. Thanks for the tip. {smilie}

But a lot of what people are asking for is withn the realm of posibilites, it seems like most of your decisions aren't based on what you can do but what you want to do.
And if Bioware continues to dissapoint with games like Dragon Age II (the general consesnsus is that is that it was a big let down and that Dragon Age: Origins was far superior), Mass Efect 3 (which drew the attention of the Better Business Berua, the Federal Trade Comission, enraged enough gamers to start an organized campaign, and was even criticized by members of the writing team), and Star Wars: The Old Republic (which hemorrhaged subscriptions within it's first year and went F2P that same year) then Bioware wil not last much longer especialy since the Doctors have left. Bioware is on shaky ground at the moment and needs to take what the fans say to heart rather than continuing with this "we know better than you do" mentality that we've been seing.

Modifié par MarchoftheVolus, 13 juillet 2013 - 07:24 .

[MarchoftheVolus]

double post

Modifié par MarchoftheVolus, 13 juillet 2013 - 07:20 .

[Cheylus]

Bioware is on shaky ground at the moment and needs to take what the fans say to heart rather than continuing with this "we know better than you do" mentality that we've been seing.

Funny, I think exactly the contrary. I think BioWare needs to forget about their entitled fanbase. I'm afraid they're drawning into fanservice (the trailer for DA:I didn't help: how someone who doesn't know Dragon Age can be thrilled by that?). I'm looking forward to play a totally new, single, original game made by them. Since Mass Effect, they're alterning between DA and ME (SW:ToR excepted, but it's a franchise they already worked for). Well, they made a Sonic game (a 23 years old franchise).
I'd rather see people thrilled by the unexpected than unrelentlessly making demands about LI, returning characters and so-called plotholes. I'm also dreaming about a game that can stand on his own, with closure, without cliffhangers and sequels.

[Eveangaline]

I totally thought this would be a thread about how to use ventrillo to make the multiplayer parts work

[Cheylus]

You post too much.
And no, I don't want to click your clickables.

[MarchoftheVolus]

Cheylus wrote...

Bioware is on shaky ground at the moment and needs to take what the fans say to heart rather than continuing with this "we know better than you do" mentality that we've been seing.

Funny, I think exactly the contrary. I think BioWare needs to forget about their entitled fanbase. I'm afraid they're drawning into fanservice (the trailer for DA:I didn't help: how someone who doesn't know Dragon Age can be thrilled by that?). I'm looking forward to play a totally new, single, original game made by them. Since Mass Effect, they're alterning between DA and ME (SW:ToR excepted, but it's a franchise they already worked for). Well, they made a Sonic game (a 23 years old franchise).
I'd rather see people thrilled by the unexpected than unrelentlessly making demands about LI, returning characters and so-called plotholes. I'm also dreaming about a game that can stand on his own, with closure, without cliffhangers and sequels.

When was the last time Bioware did something because of the fans input? MoTA? Fixing the screwed Mass Effect 3 ending? And the DA:I trailer is a fair balance betwen enticing existing fans and intruiging new ones. And I have no problem with a totaly new game, but that doesn't mean everything has to be radically diferent.

[Eveangaline]

Cheylus wrote...

You post too much.
And no, I don't want to click your clickables.

Something to do when you have insomnia.

And I guess I'll have to click them myself

[Catroi]

Eveangaline wrote...

Cheylus wrote...

You post too much.
And no, I don't want to click your clickables.

Something to do when you have insomnia.

And I guess I'll have to click them myself

Don't worry I've been clicking on them I don't know how many times they're just to darn cute

[iOnlySignIn]

I don't want the Warden or Hawke back. Mass Effect did that with Shepard - we all saw how that turned out.

I don't mind Human-only protagonist either. The race of the protagonist makes zero difference to me. I do prefer the male PC can be made lean though.

[Darth Wraith]

I don't want the Warden back. And while I'd like to be able to pick a race, I'm fine with playing human.

So I guess everyone isn't in agreement with you after all.

[Cheylus]

MarchoftheVolus wrote...

Cheylus wrote...

Bioware is on shaky ground at the moment and needs to take what the fans say to heart rather than continuing with this "we know better than you do" mentality that we've been seing.

Funny, I think exactly the contrary. I think BioWare needs to forget about their entitled fanbase. I'm afraid they're drawning into fanservice (the trailer for DA:I didn't help: how someone who doesn't know Dragon Age can be thrilled by that?). I'm looking forward to play a totally new, single, original game made by them. Since Mass Effect, they're alterning between DA and ME (SW:ToR excepted, but it's a franchise they already worked for). Well, they made a Sonic game (a 23 years old franchise).
I'd rather see people thrilled by the unexpected than unrelentlessly making demands about LI, returning characters and so-called plotholes. I'm also dreaming about a game that can stand on his own, with closure, without cliffhangers and sequels.

When was the last time Bioware did something because of the fans input? MoTA? Fixing the screwed Mass Effect 3 ending? And the DA:I trailer is a fair balance betwen enticing existing fans and intruiging new ones. And I have no problem with a totaly new game, but that doesn't mean everything has to be radically diferent.

Ha, no, no. I don't believe BioWare is looking for obeying every fanatic's whims, and that's fine. They're more clever than that -- however, I really hope they don't have a taste for overwhelming fanatic service after the success of Citadel and the amount of topics about love interests and returning characters in here. 

I hope they'll add Cullen as a companion but only if it fits the story; I hope they'll add a Qunari/Kossith/Ox-people romance but only if if it's well-written and makes you see the whole plot with a different point of view (that happened with Alistair, Morrigan, Anders and, to an extent, Leliana), etc. They can appeal to the fans, they can appeal to new audiences, BUT they can also make the game they want to make and that should be priority #1. 

They do know better than we do

Yesterday, I've seen a vid of gamermd83 about the leaked survey. She kept saying "hardcore fans of Dragon Age / REAL DA fans" don't want coop in their game. She believes they'll add Cullen as a party member only because people are asking for it... I like her a lot but in this vid she looked like the OP. "Think of the people that loves the franchise the way that it is, the franchise is already great." No, I don't want BioWare to be conservative and I also don't want them to make the same game or an Origins 2.0 and -- be prepared -- they won't. 

I was a little bit disappointed by ME3's ending, but overall it was fine in my opinion, and the extended cut was better. I thought the backlash about ME3 wasn't fair, and I kept reading posts of angry people unwilling to accept the ending is not what they had in mind before release. 

I don't think DA:I trailer was very good for new players who don't visit the BSN and don't know DA:O or DA2. Too much things we know in here that they don't, I'm afraid those new people would feel left over. 

Modifié par Cheylus, 13 juillet 2013 - 11:52 .

[Aolbain]

Wrong thread

Modifié par Aolbain, 13 juillet 2013 - 02:34 .

[SofaJockey]

David Gaider wrote...

Just to be clear: us listening to what some fans express a desire for isn't going to translate into us always agreeing or even being able to implement those desires. We will, in the end, need to pick a path that accomodates our resources and our own intentions... and we'll take into account what fans express a desire for, even if we can't possibly accommodate everyone.

If someone feels alienated by our choices, then they shouldn't buy the game. That's what being a consumer is all about. If we don't have enough consumers once all that is said and done, we will indeed not have a game or a company for much longer. Thanks for the tip.

This makes perfect sense. There are some story elements that would be simply too complex to accommodate the needs of established players and new ones. BW must make editorial calls that make sense, but it is helpful to have the ideas to feed from.

Sometimes a great game creates an emotional attachment with a character. DA:O did a great job, but my Warden is not your Warden. Sometimes you can't go back and it makes sense not to.

[ames4u]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Or keep ignoring what the writers and the producers say and be unhappy. Have it your way. They already stated many times that Dragon Age was about Thedas and its people. Not centred on one protagonist only.

Pity they are taking the Mass Effect approach and keeping the protag strictly human instead of allowing a choice of race right out of the starting gate. You know, because Thedas is filled with Elves, Dwarves and magical beings other than humans.

After dragon age 2, I want as much distance between my warden and DAI as possible. 

Modifié par ames4u, 13 juillet 2013 - 03:34 .

[Rafficus III]

Temper tantrum, much? I've done countless runthroughs on Origins and not once have I asked for my Warden back, nor do I have a screaming desire to be an elf again. Dragon Age is a series, not a Warden trilogy. What Bioware wants to do is what they're going to do. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

[Gill Kaiser]

The Warden was never indicated or intended to be the protagonist beyond DA:O. The devs made that abudently clear even prior to DA:O's release.

I don't exactly know what you expect from the Warden's return. You want to remake a character you've already made, but in the Frostbite engine? You want your Warden to suddenly have a voice, even if it's not the voice you originally envisioned them having?

What would be driving them? The Blight is over, and over a decade has passed in which they may have been dead, Queen/King of Ferelden, living with Morrigan in a magical pocket plane, or any number of other fates.

Please, explain. What is it about the Warden that makes you latch onto him or her so strongly? Because if they brought them back for DA3, I guarantee that whatever it is you valued in the Warden would not translate.