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[Snypy]

The thing is, there are too many people wanting different things to take place in DAI and so in the end, BioWare will answer to the requests of at least one group -- that is the group which happens to share the same opinion with the writing team.

What you can do, OP, is to wait for reviews before you decide to buy the game. Or alternatively, you may be able to get to play the next DA game before you pay for it, e.g. your friend will lend it to you, and if you really like it, you can buy it to support the company.

Modifié par Snypy, 13 juillet 2013 - 05:17 .

[Salaya]

I find incredibly amazing that so many people in this forum interpret words in such a verbatim fashion.

It is clear that the OP is annoyed, disappointed. He/she obviously does not mean "everyone" as every fan in the multiverse, but just the people that shares the same fears for DA future -for example, myself.

Dev answers are always welcome, and I'm glad when one of them takes the time to answer me or any other fan -like, in this case, explaining why they are doing what they are doing with forced human. But, at the same time, he tries to patronize the OP by pointing something that is blatantly clear: not everyone thinks the same. Of course not every fan thinks the same; but he/she is disppointed and wanted to express a coplaint.

Wheter the fans that do not like DA's new direction are just a small bunch of crazies, or a big group, I don't think we deserve to be patronized.

[Realmzmaster]

@Salaya

May be it is because of what was said like

"1st I like how you guys are always saying you listen to your fans, and then do completely the opposite of what your fans keep telling you we want."

So which fans are Bioware suppose to listen. I do not want my warden back. So does Bioware listen to the fans who do not want the warden back or the fans that do want the warden back?

Does Bioware listen to the fan who wants a silent protagonist versus voice?
Also when one uses like the fans instead of some fans or everyone instead of some that infers inclusiveness or all.

If Bioware brings the warden back Bioware would be doing the opposite of what I want.

David Gaider is not patronizing anyone he is stating his opinion and making it perfectly clear that everyone does not think the same. The developers may listen to every request that does not mean implementation is possible or desirable.
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If David Gaider sounds patronizing it is because he and other members of the team have answered this question multiple times. The answer has not changed.

It was stated long before DAO was released that Dragon Age would be about the world and not one individual protagonist. That point has not changed and will not change unless the writers (David Gaider being the head writer and creator of Dragon Age) want it to change. The writers have made no indication of that change.

Not only that the poster then posts that she thought the thread would be closed. If one posts a rant he/she better be ready for the fallout.
If all you want to do is rant type it up. Get it out of your system, but do not hit submit. If you hit submit you are sending out an invitation for a response.

[Angrywolves]

bravo bravo bravo
Of course, excluding the tc's useless rant there are things from DA2 that need to be improved upon that Bioware acknowledges .
Usually Bioware blames EA "rushing" them with DA2 for those. Hence more time for DAI.
The question is , open world or open world like can they overcome production issues and produce a AAA title ( AAA title requirement for the new lead writer Bioware is looking to hire for a yet undisclosed project) .
We'll see.

[AmRMa]

I am completly fine playing a human and them having a voice, and if in the future we got to pick races again I'd like that too. Also, If I wanted to play the silent Warden again, guess what I'd pop in DA:O and play it again. I want a new character and a new story and these games aren't about being a one person story arch like Shepard in Mass Effect.

[duckley]

Realmzmaster wrote...

@Salaya

May be it is because of what was said like

"1st I like how you guys are always saying you listen to your fans, and then do completely the opposite of what your fans keep telling you we want."

So which fans are Bioware suppose to listen. I do not want my warden back. So does Bioware listen to the fans who do not want the warden back or the fans that do want the warden back?

Does Bioware listen to the fan who wants a silent protagonist versus voice?
Also when one uses like the fans instead of some fans or everyone instead of some that infers inclusiveness or all.

If Bioware brings the warden back Bioware would be doing the opposite of what I want.

David Gaider is not patronizing anyone he is stating his opinion and making it perfectly clear that everyone does not think the same. The developers may listen to every request that does not mean implementation is possible or desirable.
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If David Gaider sounds patronizing it is because he and other members of the team have answered this question multiple times. The answer has not changed.

It was stated long before DAO was released that Dragon Age would be about the world and not one individual protagonist. That point has not changed and will not change unless the writers (David Gaider being the head writer and creator of Dragon Age) want it to change. The writers have made no indication of that change.

Not only that the poster then posts that she thought the thread would be closed. If one posts a rant he/she better be ready for the fallout.
If all you want to do is rant type it up. Get it out of your system, but do not hit submit. If you hit submit you are sending out an invitation for a response.

Thank you

[Kizzim]

I'm very fond of my dwarf warden but I'm afraid she made the ultimate sacrifice in the end. Her story ended long ago and while I'd be happy to play a dwarven female again, knowing it's not an option doesn't bother me too much.

[Angrywolves]

My dwarf warden became a living paragon.
I always do the ritual. I refuse to sacrifice my warden.
I don't believe Laidlaw's claim that we may see origins again in some unspecified future DA game.
I don't believe it.
I think we can kiss origins in the main game goodbye.
I think we see different races in mp. But I refuse to ever play mp.

[CyndaneShepard]

I think the reason people want their wardens back is because their story is not over. At the end of DA2 you found out your warden is missing. You can`t say "the story of the warden is over" and then declare them missing. Of course we want to know what happened to them.
And, please, I know this is just one possibility, that there are those who sacrificed their wardens. This is just my opinion and reason I would like my warden to be mentioned at least.

[Renmiri1]

Angrywolves wrote...

bravo bravo bravo
Of course, excluding the tc's useless rant there are things from DA2 that need to be improved upon that Bioware acknowledges .
Usually Bioware blames EA "rushing" them with DA2 for those. Hence more time for DAI.
The question is , open world or open world like can they overcome production issues and produce a AAA title ( AAA title requirement for the new lead writer Bioware is looking to hire for a yet undisclosed project) .
We'll see.

Tell Bioware I'm available and will work for peanuts 

[Salaya]

Realmzmaster wrote...

@Salaya

May be it is because of what was said like

"1st I like how you guys are always saying you listen to your fans, and then do completely the opposite of what your fans keep telling you we want."

So which fans are Bioware suppose to listen. I do not want my warden back. So does Bioware listen to the fans who do not want the warden back or the fans that do want the warden back?

Does Bioware listen to the fan who wants a silent protagonist versus voice?
Also when one uses like the fans instead of some fans or everyone instead of some that infers inclusiveness or all.

If Bioware brings the warden back Bioware would be doing the opposite of what I want.

David Gaider is not patronizing anyone he is stating his opinion and making it perfectly clear that everyone does not think the same. The developers may listen to every request that does not mean implementation is possible or desirable.
.
If David Gaider sounds patronizing it is because he and other members of the team have answered this question multiple times. The answer has not changed.

It was stated long before DAO was released that Dragon Age would be about the world and not one individual protagonist. That point has not changed and will not change unless the writers (David Gaider being the head writer and creator of Dragon Age) want it to change. The writers have made no indication of that change.

Not only that the poster then posts that she thought the thread would be closed. If one posts a rant he/she better be ready for the fallout.
If all you want to do is rant type it up. Get it out of your system, but do not hit submit. If you hit submit you are sending out an invitation for a response.

?

Have you ever read what I posted? You are doing exactly the same. Pointing the obvious, starting a little dissertation about meaning that is as unnecessary as irrelevant. You interpret the words literally, when it's obvious that the intention is not being literal.

The OP does not believe that "everyone" thinks that way. To believe, literally, that everyone thinks in the same way as she/he would be absurd. No one believes that, not literally. By pointing this and writing an explanation about why is not true that every fan thinks as she/he you are patronizing. Instead of adressing the issue, or just try to state your opinion, you adopt a patronizing attitude explaining something that is obvious to everyone.

If I want to rant, I want to rant in a place in wich I could be answered, heared, and debated. The problems is not that. The problem is that some people here tries to look smarter by explaining something that does not require explanation -trying to ridiculize the OP, but ridiculizing themeselves, instead.

Again, I really appreciatte devs answering fans issues. But this kind of patronizing is unnecessary.

[Volus Warlord]

Angrywolves wrote...

But I refuse to ever play mp.

Who's fault is that?

[Angrywolves]

mine.
Who says I have to play mp ?
You ?
rotfl.

[Little Princess Peach]

I don't understand why DA:I has to have a human..... but I think Op you are being a bit unfair.
Bioware do seem to be taking in our ideas, and umm 'needs', it's just somtimes you can't have everything you want into a video game because we don't live in an ideal world.

In an ideal world Bio would have unlimited funding, all the time in the world to make us a perfect game with all our ideas and what we want and so foth.

I guess what I am trying to say is, no matter what Bioware dose with the limitations they have I.E. budget and equipment, not all the fans can be pleased with what Bio have given us, all we as fans and they as game designers, can hope for is a good game that people will enjoy dispite there ideas not being able to come into context.

[AlanC9]

Salaya wrote...

The OP does not believe that "everyone" thinks that way. To believe, literally, that everyone thinks in the same way as she/he would be absurd. No one believes that, not literally. By pointing this and writing an explanation about why is not true that every fan thinks as she/he you are patronizing. Instead of adressing the issue, or just try to state your opinion, you adopt a patronizing attitude explaining something that is obvious to everyone.

If the OP didn't want to draw that kind of response, the OP shouldn't have used that kind of rhetoric. It doesn't work; it never works.

[quickthorn]

The OP should not use terms like 'everyone'. I enjoyed playing my warden and the outcome from my choices. I decided to take my warden through DA:A and that was satisfying too. But I didn't feel upset that i had a new character to play in DA2 and it doesn't bother me in the slightest that the same applies to Inquisition. If the Dragon Age series were to continue beyond Inquisition, then maybe another time there could be a case for continuing a character's story. But if there isn't, it will never be a deal-breaker for me.

Modifié par quickthorn, 14 juillet 2013 - 07:23 .

[Realmzmaster]

Salaya wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

@Salaya

May be it is because of what was said like

"1st I like how you guys are always saying you listen to your fans, and then do completely the opposite of what your fans keep telling you we want."

So which fans are Bioware suppose to listen. I do not want my warden back. So does Bioware listen to the fans who do not want the warden back or the fans that do want the warden back?

Does Bioware listen to the fan who wants a silent protagonist versus voice?
Also when one uses like the fans instead of some fans or everyone instead of some that infers inclusiveness or all.

If Bioware brings the warden back Bioware would be doing the opposite of what I want.

David Gaider is not patronizing anyone he is stating his opinion and making it perfectly clear that everyone does not think the same. The developers may listen to every request that does not mean implementation is possible or desirable.
.
If David Gaider sounds patronizing it is because he and other members of the team have answered this question multiple times. The answer has not changed.

It was stated long before DAO was released that Dragon Age would be about the world and not one individual protagonist. That point has not changed and will not change unless the writers (David Gaider being the head writer and creator of Dragon Age) want it to change. The writers have made no indication of that change.

Not only that the poster then posts that she thought the thread would be closed. If one posts a rant he/she better be ready for the fallout.
If all you want to do is rant type it up. Get it out of your system, but do not hit submit. If you hit submit you are sending out an invitation for a response.

?

Have you ever read what I posted? You are doing exactly the same. Pointing the obvious, starting a little dissertation about meaning that is as unnecessary as irrelevant. You interpret the words literally, when it's obvious that the intention is not being literal.

The OP does not believe that "everyone" thinks that way. To believe, literally, that everyone thinks in the same way as she/he would be absurd. No one believes that, not literally. By pointing this and writing an explanation about why is not true that every fan thinks as she/he you are patronizing. Instead of adressing the issue, or just try to state your opinion, you adopt a patronizing attitude explaining something that is obvious to everyone.

If I want to rant, I want to rant in a place in wich I could be answered, heared, and debated. The problems is not that. The problem is that some people here tries to look smarter by explaining something that does not require explanation -trying to ridiculize the OP, but ridiculizing themeselves, instead.

Again, I really appreciatte devs answering fans issues. But this kind of patronizing is unnecessary.

I read exactly what you posted. I also do not read minds. When someone uses the term everyone or the fans I assume he or she knows what the term means other wise you are using it wrong. As I stated I do not use the term everyone unless I mean it. I use some or I use few. If I use everyone that is what I mean.  I mean all. Yes I am very precise and literal in how I write and speak to prevent any confusion..

[Spedfrom]

My Warden died to save Ferelden and Thedas from an all consuming blight, since he chose not to do the Dark Ritual. So, in reality, if BioWare brought him back they'd be going against the choices I made as a player and in the process ****** me out completely. Which I'm sure they are very wary of. So no, not going to happen, all things point to.

OP reads so much like a cliché that it's either hilarious or a very successful trolling attempt.

[Angrywolves]

The OP is just an inexperienced newbie.
Who now is disappointed.

[The_11thDoctor]

Yeah... OP whats wrong with you? BW has their own ideas they want to express and a certain story in THEIR world they want us to experience. If it doesnt make sense story wise for the warden to be alive or back, they wont include them to destroy their story to accommodate a few loud fans. I myself want to try other races again, but if its not their, I hope other features will be. As long as the game is amazing and includes some of the features I wish to be included, Ill continue support them.

Bioware has to listen to its fans yes, but do as they say is a completely different matter. Not everyone is smart, not everyone has great ideas, and not everyone has the foresight of what would make a great game or a fun one. There are a lot of decisions that go into making a game and what can go into it. I despise a lot of BSN fans and think most of them live under a rock on a ton of issues and im glad they dont just blindly add or take away features based on the "fans" here. There are tons of fans that dont even glimpse at this site and dont add to the feedback that should be said about BW games, but just trust in BW to make a good game. I trust NG(Naughty Dog) and dont even bother to go on their site most of the time, cause I know theyll make a 10/10 game every time. Im just waiting for the ability to ride horses and do horse battles dynamic weather, dense populated worlds, exploration,, full body customization,improved DA2 dlc combat, Co-Op and MP. I just hope some of those are in the game. I already know the story will be amazing with DG still in charge.

[Asepsis]

I do love my Warden BUT!

I also really liked my Hawke, and I'm excited to see where DAIII is going. I feel like Dragon Age is more about the world and it's culture than it is about ONE character. Sure character development is a big part of it, but Thedas is HUGE and I like that we get to see different parts of it through different points of view.

I feel like, from what the dragon age guys have said about the changes implemented, that they DID listen to our biggest issues, and applied those. I'm rather pleased, and after seeing the trailer I'm hooked.

In the beginning I did miss my Warden, but after playing DAII I really enjoyed it, and I'm looking forward to DAIII and all the new stuff in it.

I'm replaying DAO and DAII to keep myself from going insane from the wait lol XD.