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[Secretlyapotato]

I'm a bit curious, the taint seems to have spared the frail elf lady that is my warden in favor of Daveth. Duncan is pretty selective on who does and doesn't go through with the joining, so it's probably not random. (Or maybe it's totally random o.O)

[kalasaurus]

My guess is it's random but those who are more physically fit have a higher chance to survive. Duncan was surprised that the Dalish Elf survived the taint as long as s/he did- an unhealthy person probably wouldn't have the willpower or strength to do so (even with the Keeper's magic).

Edit: Oops, I skimmed your post and thought you were referring specifically to the Dalish.  I still think it's random, but health factors into the survival rate and thus who Duncan chooses to go through the Joining.  Daveth and Mhairi were just that unlucky.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 11 juillet 2013 - 08:31 .

[Jedimaster88]

What about awesome Oghren?

Not only does he survive the joining but he doesnt even pass out like the others:P!!!.

If I remember right even the codex speculates that the reason for Oghren´s surviving may be his constant drinking that has propably made his body able to withstand all sort of poisonous stuff better.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I consider Oghren's Joining to be done in the spirit of a joke, personally. I hated it.

As far as I know there's no records of survival traits. Duncan, and presumably other Wardens, only pick those who they believe have a chance to survive, but even this apparent insight isn't perfect as both Jory and Daveth die. OTOH, I don't believe it's entirely random.

Duncan notably refuses to recruit Soris in the CE Origin on the basis that he wouldn't get through the Joining.

He obviously expects Mahariel to die after being corrupted and returns you to your clan to die, but takes an interest when you pop up again despite the taint.

Wardens are decided by Plot IMO.

[Bhryaen]

I've been thinking it's more than just a physical endurance question- that Duncan's selectivity isn't just a matter of finding talented or hardy folks but ones with a special ability to show self-determination (rather than lousy game AI haha). With that sort of defiance of the odds attitude and determination your ability to fight the initial tainted-dragon corruption is more likely. Just a musing though. When I watch the Joining ritual I always imagine the internal struggle that goes on in Daveth and then my character.

If you get into the Morrigan romance though she starts speculating that the hardiness of Wardens is entirely physiological, unsure if it predates the Joining or is because of the Joining. Dunno.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think it's probably force of will that determines who lives and who dies, since as far as physical health Daveth should not have died where my EM lived. Edit: I think that's Bhryaen's point too, though that's not exactly how he phrases it.

Of course, I must note an alternative theory by my favorite fanfic writer; she thinks it might be that the Taint has no idea what to do with people who are too nice.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 juillet 2013 - 05:04 .

[kalasaurus]

Jedimaster88 wrote...

What about awesome Oghren?

Not only does he survive the joining but he doesnt even pass out like the others:P!!!.

If I remember right even the codex speculates that the reason for Oghren´s surviving may be his constant drinking that has propably made his body able to withstand all sort of poisonous stuff better.

...Hmm, I stand corrected.  I forgot about old Oghren.

[Urshakk]

Maybe it just depends on their natural immunity system, like how some people get sick more easier then others. Or maybe it is just fate deciding if you are worthy (it is a game after all).

As far as Oghren goes, with all the alcohol he has chugged in his lifetime I'm sure he could drink straight rat poison and all it would do is give him gas.

[The Velveteen Rabbit]

Based on all the Joinings we've seen or heard about, it seems to be about one in three recruits don't survive. Perhaps it's a combination of factors that determines why this is.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Not by Awakening's standards. Oghren, Anders, Nathaniel, Velanna and Sigrun all survive, while Mhairi dies. That's 1 in 6.

We haven't seen enough Joinings to determine accurate odds.

[BevH]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Not by Awakening's standards. Oghren, Anders, Nathaniel, Velanna and Sigrun all survive, while Mhairi dies. That's 1 in 6.

We haven't seen enough Joinings to determine accurate odds.

I agree. While Alistair states that only 1 died at his joining, we don't know how many recruits were present. At the warden's own joining, 2 out of 3 died... not good odds, but as you state, in Awakening the odds are much better.

[keeneaow]

The correct answer is: It's scripted,
the programmers decide who will live and die

[The Velveteen Rabbit]

keeneaow wrote...

The correct answer is: It's scripted,
the programmers decide who will live and die

Oh thanks. We never would've thought of that one.

[Lavaeolus]

It's probably a mix of both hardiness (ala Oghren) and sheer willpower, coupled with a bit of randomness and, of course, narrative causality.