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[AlexMBrennan]

its all falls down to what you choose to believe in the end.

Go look up "Russel's teapot"; your ideas are not original and have been refuted a thousand times.

All we have is a cutscene which shows a video of liara.

That is a lie - we have Liara's video and a scene of a different stargazer scene.

reapers have an easier time winning since they dont have to fight shepard

Right, so Harbinger went out of his way to not kill Shepard because Shepard, a single soldier, is somehow able to single-handily turn the tide of war? This is even more retarded than your "krogan in bunkers" plan.

[Erez Kristal]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

its all falls down to what you choose to believe in the end.

Go look up "Russel's teapot"; your ideas are not original and have been refuted a thousand times.

All we have is a cutscene which shows a video of liara.

That is a lie - we have Liara's video and a scene of a different stargazer scene.

reapers have an easier time winning since they dont have to fight shepard

Right, so Harbinger went out of his way to not kill Shepard because Shepard, a single soldier, is somehow able to single-handily turn the tide of war? This is even more retarded than your "krogan in bunkers" plan.

I didnt understand the purpose of this post of yours alex. it didnt look to me like you thought it through.
1) we arent discussing russel teapot now. we are discussing this and it still hasnt been refuted. or was even close to.
2) So a different stargazer scene means its a lie? the variables have changed, it still means nothing
3) So, you are sayting that if the reapers didnt need to fight shepard they would have had a harder time to winning? im confused.

Modifié par erezike, 23 juillet 2013 - 02:06 .

[Dextro Milk]

So in one corner we have erezike's crazy delusions, and in the other we have AlexMmmmbebdban being the usual A-hole stereotype. MmHmm...

Pointless thread is pointless.

[Triforce Hermit]

Refuse - In refuse shepard has a chance to fight another day, he doesnt become an indoctirnated husk like in control or dies like in destroy(or close death) stil many more die in refuse but the galaxy still have a chance to survive the reapers holocaust. the galaxy is a large place and all they need is a place to hide

To disprove you reasoning on why refuse makes sense, the Reapers took the Citadel to Earth.....I doubt they pushed. Harbinger probably took control like how Sovreign did in ME1. So Harby accessed the census of the entire galaxy. They would find and kill every recorded sentinet being and the remaining ones would not be able to reproduce just like how Vigil said what happened to the Protheans. The Reapers will win against the already weakened forces on Earth since the galaxy poured all its resources into the final push. The Reapers win and the cycle continues. Refuse is illogical and only serves the purpose of granting enjoyment of shooting the little punk starchild. There is no speculation in this. This has been proved by Vigil, who has no reason lie. You can't disprove this. It is a fact. The Reapers are not stupid. They still thought they would win and to do so needed the census records. They did not ignore them, that wouldn't make sense.

[Erez Kristal]

Dextro Milk wrote...

So in one corner we have erezike's crazy delusions, and in the other we have AlexMmmmbebdban being the usual A-hole stereotype. MmHmm...

Pointless thread is pointless.

I find it amusing when people calls something delusionnal but can quite tell why...

[Erez Kristal]

Triforce Hermit wrote...


To disprove you reasoning on why refuse makes sense, the Reapers took the Citadel to Earth.....I doubt they pushed. Harbinger probably took control like how Sovreign did in ME1. So Harby accessed the census of the entire galaxy. They would find and kill every recorded sentinet being and the remaining ones would not be able to reproduce just like how Vigil said what happened to the Protheans. The Reapers will win against the already weakened forces on Earth since the galaxy poured all its resources into the final push. The Reapers win and the cycle continues. Refuse is illogical and only serves the purpose of granting enjoyment of shooting the little punk starchild. There is no speculation in this. This has been proved by Vigil, who has no reason lie. You can't disprove this. It is a fact. The Reapers are not stupid. They still thought they would win and to do so needed the census records. They did not ignore them, that wouldn't make sense.

thanks for stopping by triforce.
I didnt understand a few things you mentioned that debunk why refuse is logical.
1) how does the fact the reapers took the citadel to earth make refush less logical?
2) The reapers on the citadel can only find the information which is on the citadel, there is nothing to indicate that they didnt already acess all the information on the citdael sine they already knew their targets on the galaxy all too well before they took over it.
Bases and facilities that never appeared on the citadel records will be safe.
3) What do we know of vigil really?
4) The reapers Win? Most likely but question is when are your chances for survival are greater.
If you refuse and shepard lives? or if you jump into the beam, put your hands on the elecrifying rods which result in instant death or shoot a tube which will result in a most likely death.

So why are the other options more logical?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Then there could have always been this possibility to give a whole new meaning to the Refuse Ending. What if someone followed Shepard up the beam from one of those other squads.

"Shepard! Shepard!" Hackett said over the com.

Specialist Ereba took the headset off the fallen soldier and said. "This is Specialist Ereba of Asari Commando Platoon Artemis. Who is this?"

Hackett "Do you have any technical knowledge?"

"No sir. I just shoot things. But sir, there's two men here that are in desperate need of medical help, and one guy in a suit that was turning in to a husk that's definitely dead. I plugged him again just to make sure. One's an Admiral and he's unconscious, and one's... well could be a Commander and he's unconscious, sir, but doesn't seem to be as bad off. I've only got enough medigel for one of them. What do you want me to do? We need an evac."

Hackett muttered to himself, "you gotta be kidding me." Then he said. "Okay, Specialist, I'm going to put Dr. Cole on and she's going to try to walk you through this."

"What about the evac?... Sir?...."

"This is Dr. Cole."

"Dr. Cole, what about the evac?"

"There's not going to be an evac. You have to follow my instructions exactly."

"Oh this is just f****** great. So we're supposed to die up here? That's it? I don't know about you, but I'm only 130. I've got 900 years left. I was planning to be some kind of an artist after this war."

"What's your name, soldier?" Dr. Cole asked.

"I'm Specialist Ereba."

"Okay, now listen carefully. None of us are going to survive unless..."

"Unless you get a evac shuttle docked at this location, am I clear?" Ereba said.

"Admiral, she's not cooperating." Cole said.

Hackett got back on the com and said. "Listen soldier, you're going to follow orders, do you understand? My fleet is getting pounded out here. Now follow the Dr's instructions."

"I will, sir, when I see a shuttle docked." Ereba replied.

Hackett sighed. "Okay, we'll send a shuttle. In the meantime, you follow Dr. Cole's instructions, okay?"

"Listen crap for brains. I saw the whole thing through my sniper scope." Ereba said. "You guys sent a damn frigate down to do an 'emergency' pick up of this Commander what's his face's waifu right in front of the biggest damn reaper I've seen yet. So I'm not doing squat until I see a damned shuttle docked here."

"I'm the Admiral in charge of the Allied Fleets. You'll follow my orders, or you'll be court martialed, and shot. Is that clear, soldier?" Hackett shouted.

"I don't care if you're the Goddess Athame. I want a goddamn evac shuttle. Is that clear. Or if you want this done, send someone else here to do it, or maybe I'll just start pushing buttons randomly?"

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 23 juillet 2013 - 08:21 .

[KotorEffect3]

Refuse is the most illogical ending, Shepard, Hackett, Anderson, and pretty much every other damn military expert in the galaxy knows that there is no way to defeat the Reapers conventionaly, the crucible is the only chance we have to stop them. I will take my chances with the crucible over just accepting defeat.

[AlanC9]

erezike wrote...

Bases and facilities that never appeared on the citadel records will be safe.

Unless they were in records on Earth. Or Thessia, or Palaven. I'd mention Arcturus Station except the Reapers blew that up, so maybe they couldn't recover any useful intel. 

4) The reapers Win? Most likely but question is when are your chances for survival are greater.
If you refuse and shepard lives? or if you jump into the beam, put your hands on the elecrifying rods which result in instant death or shoot a tube which will result in a most likely death.

What does Shepard living have to do with anything?

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 juillet 2013 - 08:44 .

[Reorte]

AlanC9 wrote...

erezike wrote...

Bases and facilities that never appeared on the citadel records will be safe.

Unless they were in records on Earth. Or Thessia, or Palaven. I'd mention Arcturus Station except the Reapers blew that up, so maybe they couldn't recover any useful intel.

And somewhere off the beaten track (a few light days out of a solar system would be pretty near impossible to find if it was keeping quiet).

[silverexile17s]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The problem was that it was stupid. It took the fifth fleet. And the Citadel Fleet was getting pounded by the Geth fleet. It wasn't just Sovereign.

I said...

And the Crucible plot has a HUGE hole in it. How did the other cycles even build the crucible if the reapers were pouring through the Citadel, locking out the relays, going one system at a time? Humongous plot hole. Basically our cycle was the first and only one to be able to build it, and it just happened to appear and drop out of the ass of the Mars Archives.

And here's the rub.

It's the final game of the series. So big deal. I'd still destroy the reapers. Just for the lolz, because it would have been the last game of the series and who gives a damn at that point.

The bottom line is that no one knew what the f*** they were doing. Keep it real? Give me a break. I think I could write a better story, and I'm not a writer. The premise of the dark energy plot was just plain stupid space magic let's sacrifice humanity and hope that this works or kill the reapers and hope we can figure it out in time.

Well over a billion years it hadn't worked. So blow up the reapers let's hope we can figure it out in time. Shepard suffers an unconfirmed fate. i.e. a breath scene. In other words the ending was doomed to suck s*** right from the get go. Who cares? right? I choose to destroy the author's art. It becomes one of those "We waited 5 years for this?"

Remind me to stay with shooters. You don't get invested in characters.

This game really soured me on getting emotionally invested in characters. I'm in the I don't give a damn stage. I'm trying to get 4 more stinking achievements. I had to play the ending, so I skip all the dialog in the EC. 9999 in the Armax arena and the mirror match + I missed the three missions in Omega. I'm going to have to go through Omega with a walkthrough so I don't miss them. Reload the import of the character and see if I can fill up the bar all red this time. Get the peace option on Rannoch and shoot Legion for the lolz. I'll cure the genophage because of wrex. I think my morale failed in the battle of London the last time. Who was the crap for brains who drew up that battle plan?

Not according to the Codex. It says that it took the entire active portion of the Alliance fleet, which was only headed up by the Fifth. According to the War Assets screen, It took fleets one through five to take out Sovergein -- even then, they failed up until Shepard killed the Saren-Husk and caused "psychic feedback" that disabled Sovergien's shields.

Actually, that's not true - It says that the past cycles seeded copyes of the Crucicle specs on multiple life-bearing worlds, or ones close to primitive races. The protheans are example of this - they left the plans either on inhabited worlds (Thessia) or near them (Mars, nearby Earth). So, it's logical to assume that this pattern was repeated multiple times for every cycle. Place one copy near as many primitive, underdeveloped races as possible and someone should eventually find it. Just keep casting as wide a net as you can and you will hook something -- that's the mentality that ensured the Crucible plans would keep getting passed on. The underlined isn't actually that blaring a plot-hole as you think when looking at how the protheans carried it out.

According to Drew himself, he never intended it to ever be anything but a phyrric ending. That basically means that right from the get-go, he never intended it to end with a happy note.

In truth, I really think that they could have taken notes from the writers of "Dragon Age: Origins." That had the best of both worlds -- a perfect balance of bittersweet and triumphent. Your character could live under certin circumstances, but it all came down to what you were willing to live with -- and do so without comprimising your overall goal of defeating the ultimate evil, having no comprimise with what you've fought the entire game for.

In terms of London, I think the entire point was a "we don't have a plan for this, so we go in with what we've got" theme. Like "can't land cursiers because the Sovergien-Class ships will detect them instantly and rip them apart-- then we risk stealthdrive-equipped shuttles." "Can't find a safe path through the Reaper-infested area around the conduit -- then we just pick one and go for it."

[silverexile17s]

erezike wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

its all falls down to what you choose to believe in the end.

Go look up "Russel's teapot"; your ideas are not original and have been refuted a thousand times.

All we have is a cutscene which shows a video of liara.

That is a lie - we have Liara's video and a scene of a different stargazer scene.

reapers have an easier time winning since they dont have to fight shepard

Right, so Harbinger went out of his way to not kill Shepard because Shepard, a single soldier, is somehow able to single-handily turn the tide of war? This is even more retarded than your "krogan in bunkers" plan.

I didnt understand the purpose of this post of yours alex. it didnt look to me like you thought it through.
1) we arent discussing russel teapot now. we are discussing this and it still hasnt been refuted. or was even close to.
2) So a different stargazer scene means its a lie? the variables have changed, it still means nothing
3) So, you are sayting that if the reapers didnt need to fight shepard they would have had a harder time to winning? im confused.

I don't think you ever got this point.
1) This has been done an insufferabe amount of times -- what I choose to believe. And it's been screwed up alot too. Watch Ridley Scott's "Prometheus." Where they launch a 3 billion dollar exploration to find an alien race, where the lead sicentist has no proof of her belief at ALL, and did this because "it's what I choose to believe." I can choose to believe that it's going to rain chooclate tomorrow, but that probably won't happen. You need to have some backing that what you believe in is true before you bet anything and everything on it.
2) It means that a completely different race picked up the peices because the past cycle was completely wiped out. The female stargazer is NOT Liara, because this is 50,000 years later in the next cycle, and all that's left is Liara's recordings. It's just the same voice-actor. Not the same character.
3)  In the end, when Shepard is calling the Normandy to evac the injured squadmates, Harbinger does not kill Shepard because he sees Shepard as worthless. Shepard alone is nothing to them, and thus far, Shepard hasn't stopped them. They are here. They are killing. And based on the final ending choices, what did all those choices actually acomplish in the long run?

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Bases and facilities that never appeared on the citadel records will be safe

Because this worked so well for the other cycles. Why is it that he thinks conventional victory is a possibility when he's suggesting virtually every idea that any of the previous cycles would attempt at some point?

[The Twilight God]

erezike wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

erezike wrote...

]] So you agree that the catalyst allowing shepard to destroy the reapers through the crucibe makes no sense?
by allowing i mean- no destroying the crucible earlier, not taking over the citadel earlier, not closing the relays after wards.
Keeping the beam open, harbinger leaving the beam(werent the reapers winnng) not ground forces on the citadel to prevent shepard from coming, catalyst elevating shepard.

Shooting a tub in order to intiate a machine function, and not agreeing to pull back his forces which is a known military stratgy

reapers crucible tactics/

No, I don't believe the Kid allowed anything to happen. Its wasn't its call and it wasn't in its power to stop Shepard.  If you had read my thread as you claimed to you would know this.

You can't look for deeper understanding in bad writing. You can take what they give you and spell things out, but to make up material out of thin air? To say the Reapers aren't dead is to say Hackett lied and that there is no way to win. They completely ignored the lore. The protheans managed to war for centuries despite ME1 clearly stating the Reapers used the Citadel to close relays off to everyone else. Complete BS. Inconsistent world dynamics.

Is the final part s of the game badly written? Yes. Was it an obvious rush job? Yes. Did they ignore the previously established lore and rules? Yes. Is Mac Walters a horrible story writer? Yes.

Out of curiosity, what exactly do you think happened to the Reapers in Destroy? They took a nap and the fleets let them nooze?

There are two options to look at it.
1)accept it as bad writing with no sense where destroy and control are viable options.  accept it as bad writing which make sense where destroy, control are reapers presented options which are suppose to lead you to your doom. 

n destroy option 1) Reapers are all dead, galaxy lives happily ever after. in destroy option 2) SHepard shoots the tube, crucible is destroyed, shepard is dead. reapers have an easier time winning since they dont have to fight shepard. and the alliance lose an option to destroy the citadel.

There are no happily ever after ending accept MEHEM. There is nothing happy about everyone being cut off and the end of intergalactic society as you know it.  Just death, rubble and stranded people across the galaxy.

The Crucible arms and fires in all 3 endings. Where are you getting this idea that shooting the power conduit in and of itself destroys the crucible prior to the crucible firing? You are making no sense. Hence, I continue to believe this is a troll thread.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

silverexile17s wrote...

erezike wrote...



2) So a different stargazer scene means its a lie? the variables have changed, it still means nothing
3) So, you are sayting that if the reapers didnt need to fight shepard they would have had a harder time to winning? im confused.

2) It means that a completely different race picked up the peices because the past cycle was completely wiped out. The female stargazer is NOT Liara, because this is 50,000 years later in the next cycle, and all that's left is Liara's recordings. It's just the same voice-actor. Not the same character.
3)  In the end, when Shepard is calling the Normandy to evac the injured squadmates, Harbinger does not kill Shepard because he sees Shepard as worthless. Shepard alone is nothing to them, and thus far, Shepard hasn't stopped them. They are here. They are killing. And based on the final ending choices, what did all those choices actually acomplish in the long run?

Actually the Asari were preparing for continuity of civilization. Tevos mentions this. This means stasis pods. This means underground vaults. They had the tech. There is little doubt in my mind that the female in the the refuse stargazer scene is Asari. As to it being Liara? I doubt that.

And I never liked the Dark Energy plot. I'm really glad they changed it because I felt it was stupid to begin with. The reapers being so damned overpowered like that with absolutely no way of defeating them and such a bleak ending I probably that DK had wanted I'd probably just be sticking to shooters and arcade games. No emotional investment.  I mean why bother playing a series of games for 5 years if the ending is going to suck horse manure? I have better things to do with my time. I can pass time blowing up crap for an hour or two.

ME did one thing. It really jaded me on RPGs. Read my two blog posts linked in my signature. It seems DK was going to do the same thing. Such joy in an RPG. Why bother playing them? Or go with something that doesn't have the character depth but has better lore like a TES game.

[silverexile17s]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

erezike wrote...



2) So a different stargazer scene means its a lie? the variables have changed, it still means nothing
3) So, you are sayting that if the reapers didnt need to fight shepard they would have had a harder time to winning? im confused.

2) It means that a completely different race picked up the peices because the past cycle was completely wiped out. The female stargazer is NOT Liara, because this is 50,000 years later in the next cycle, and all that's left is Liara's recordings. It's just the same voice-actor. Not the same character.
3)  In the end, when Shepard is calling the Normandy to evac the injured squadmates, Harbinger does not kill Shepard because he sees Shepard as worthless. Shepard alone is nothing to them, and thus far, Shepard hasn't stopped them. They are here. They are killing. And based on the final ending choices, what did all those choices actually acomplish in the long run?

Actually the Asari were preparing for continuity of civilization. Tevos mentions this. This means stasis pods. This means underground vaults. They had the tech. There is little doubt in my mind that the female in the the refuse stargazer scene is Asari. As to it being Liara? I doubt that.

And I never liked the Dark Energy plot. I'm really glad they changed it because I felt it was stupid to begin with. The reapers being so damned overpowered like that with absolutely no way of defeating them and such a bleak ending I probably that DK had wanted I'd probably just be sticking to shooters and arcade games. No emotional investment.  I mean why bother playing a series of games for 5 years if the ending is going to suck horse manure? I have better things to do with my time. I can pass time blowing up crap for an hour or two.

ME did one thing. It really jaded me on RPGs. Read my two blog posts linked in my signature. It seems DK was going to do the same thing. Such joy in an RPG. Why bother playing them? Or go with something that doesn't have the character depth but has better lore like a TES game.

But the actual life-span of an asari is 1,000 years. The Reapers don't return until another 50,000 years after the Refuse ending. Liara would be long dead, if not harvested to create a Destroyer with.
Also, this is never factually stated, and the time capsules themselves fit the definition of "continuity of civilization." It's making sure that there will be future civilizations. Not preservation of the old one. Besides, the female stargazer explisitly says that all of the past cycle was dead, and speaks of them in past-tense. None of them survived.
Also, I remind you that the protheans had a heads-up that the Reapers were coming and actually acted on it. This cycle did not. So, based on that, how exactally do you figure that stasis pods of any kind would be built and operational by that point? They would have had to been built during the invasion -- where everything was being thrown into the Crucible. No resoruce could afford to not be used in the construction of the Crucible. Had that not been the case.... but it was, and it makes deviation of resources to create stasis pods absolutly impossible. Especally since the current cycle never bothered to research such tech in depth. The protheans had at least a decade. We would have had only a few years, since Ilos is prohibited from being studied since it's a historical site now, quarantined to prevent access to the Conduit. I'm sorry, but that female stargazer is not an asari -- it's just a female.

Can anyone really say that what we got pre-EC was any better then the original Dark Energy idea? The Reapers are still all but invincible, and they still have the "sudden anti-hero" motif going, except personified in the Catalyst instead of Harbinger. And we Still get a choice between letting them continue, and destroying them in the hopes that we can fumble along without their technology and prevent the "conflict" they were "preventing." It's a different presentation, but I daresay it's the same damn baseline formula. Just with two extra versions (direct them yourself, or help them force all life down their ideal path).

Well, I found that Dragon Age: Origins was pretty damn good. Which was why I was so shocked at how Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 turned out.

[Erez Kristal]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Then there could have always been this possibility to give a whole new meaning to the Refuse Ending. What if someone followed Shepard up the beam from one of those other squads.

"Shepard! Shepard!" Hackett said over the com.

Specialist Ereba took the headset off the fallen soldier and said. "This is Specialist Ereba of Asari Commando Platoon Artemis. Who is this?"

Hackett "Do you have any technical knowledge?"

"No sir. I just shoot things. But sir, there's two men here that are in desperate need of medical help, and one guy in a suit that was turning in to a husk that's definitely dead. I plugged him again just to make sure. One's an Admiral and he's unconscious, and one's... well could be a Commander and he's unconscious, sir, but doesn't seem to be as bad off. I've only got enough medigel for one of them. What do you want me to do? We need an evac."

Hackett muttered to himself, "you gotta be kidding me." Then he said. "Okay, Specialist, I'm going to put Dr. Cole on and she's going to try to walk you through this."

"What about the evac?... Sir?...."

"This is Dr. Cole."

"Dr. Cole, what about the evac?"

"There's not going to be an evac. You have to follow my instructions exactly."

"Oh this is just f****** great. So we're supposed to die up here? That's it? I don't know about you, but I'm only 130. I've got 900 years left. I was planning to be some kind of an artist after this war."

"What's your name, soldier?" Dr. Cole asked.

"I'm Specialist Ereba."

"Okay, now listen carefully. None of us are going to survive unless..."

"Unless you get a evac shuttle docked at this location, am I clear?" Ereba said.

"Admiral, she's not cooperating." Cole said.

Hackett got back on the com and said. "Listen soldier, you're going to follow orders, do you understand? My fleet is getting pounded out here. Now follow the Dr's instructions."

"I will, sir, when I see a shuttle docked." Ereba replied.

Hackett sighed. "Okay, we'll send a shuttle. In the meantime, you follow Dr. Cole's instructions, okay?"

"Listen crap for brains. I saw the whole thing through my sniper scope." Ereba said. "You guys sent a damn frigate down to do an 'emergency' pick up of this Commander what's his face's waifu right in front of the biggest damn reaper I've seen yet. So I'm not doing squat until I see a damned shuttle docked here."

"I'm the Admiral in charge of the Allied Fleets. You'll follow my orders, or you'll be court martialed, and shot. Is that clear, soldier?" Hackett shouted.

"I don't care if you're the Goddess Athame. I want a goddamn evac shuttle. Is that clear. Or if you want this done, send someone else here to do it, or maybe I'll just start pushing buttons randomly?"

great writing julia! 

[Erez Kristal]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Refuse is the most illogical ending, Shepard, Hackett, Anderson, and pretty much every other damn military expert in the galaxy knows that there is no way to defeat the Reapers conventionaly, the crucible is the only chance we have to stop them. I will take my chances with the crucible over just accepting defeat.

When did my shepard think there was no chance to win it conventionaly? 
Dont even start me on hacket and anderson stupidies.
Now do you want to win a war or do you want to quote straws for brains.

Dont quote others. you tell me yourself why you think there are no chances of winning
And how does the catalyst telling you about destroy or control make anysense?

[Erez Kristal]

AlanC9 wrote...

erezike wrote...

Bases and facilities that never appeared on the citadel records will be safe.

Unless they were in records on Earth. Or Thessia, or Palaven. I'd mention Arcturus Station except the Reapers blew that up, so maybe they couldn't recover any useful intel. 

4) The reapers Win? Most likely but question is when are your chances for survival are greater.
If you refuse and shepard lives? or if you jump into the beam, put your hands on the elecrifying rods which result in instant death or shoot a tube which will result in a most likely death.

What does Shepard living have to do with anything?

If the reapers got hold of any intel then its true. however it is safe to assume plenty of that data got erased before the reapers got to, and also that those who wished to keep secret never left a mark for the reapers to follow.

- If you are going to fight someone who would you rather have by your side other then shepard?
 if the illusive man knows shepard is worth more than a few billions worth of troops. thats how the market goes. your worth is determined by howmuch people are willing to pay for your services, 

[Erez Kristal]

silverexile17s wrote...


I don't think you ever got this point.
1) This has been done an insufferabe amount of times -- what I choose to believe. And it's been screwed up alot too. Watch Ridley Scott's "Prometheus." Where they launch a 3 billion dollar exploration to find an alien race, where the lead sicentist has no proof of her belief at ALL, and did this because "it's what I choose to believe." I can choose to believe that it's going to rain chooclate tomorrow, but that probably won't happen. You need to have some backing that what you believe in is true before you bet anything and everything on it.
2) It means that a completely different race picked up the peices because the past cycle was completely wiped out. The female stargazer is NOT Liara, because this is 50,000 years later in the next cycle, and all that's left is Liara's recordings. It's just the same voice-actor. Not the same character.
3)  In the end, when Shepard is calling the Normandy to evac the injured squadmates, Harbinger does not kill Shepard because he sees Shepard as worthless. Shepard alone is nothing to them, and thus far, Shepard hasn't stopped them. They are here. They are killing. And based on the final ending choices, what did all those choices actually acomplish in the long run?

1) excactly my point, how would you know what shooting the tube or putting your hands on the rods would do? you have no idea, all you know is that your ruthless enemy wants you to do it. at least in refuse you can control what will happen.
2) its mean a different race is now dominant and talking to the little child. if the game told you. all humans died in the great reaper war then you would be correct. and even if that were the case it will still not means taking the starchild choices are more logical because you have to decide what is best at that given moment. cutscenes which show you all humans are dead(which isnt even in the game) is but one way things can turn out. which is why its so important to decided base on evidence given to you at the starchild-shepard standout.
3) Harbinger doesnt kill shepard since shepard is worthless? im sorry but this sounds to me a bit ridiculous. shepard has foiled three of the reapers plans so far. he is far from worthless which is why harbinger shows so much intrest in the first place. second- we dont know what was the capital ship next to the beam. Its like the alliance knows the capital ships by name now? shepard is not alone he still has the rest of the ressitance with him. he is the john conner of the reaper world. and he will keep fighting if only we let him.

Modifié par erezike, 24 juillet 2013 - 11:20 .

[Erez Kristal]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Bases and facilities that never appeared on the citadel records will be safe

Because this worked so well for the other cycles. Why is it that he thinks conventional victory is a possibility when he's suggesting virtually every idea that any of the previous cycles would attempt at some point?

Illos? Eden prime?  and who knows what else is out there in the enormous galaxy.

[Erez Kristal]

The Twilight God wrote...

There are no happily ever after ending accept MEHEM. There is nothing happy about everyone being cut off and the end of intergalactic society as you know it.  Just death, rubble and stranded people across the galaxy.

The Crucible arms and fires in all 3 endings. Where are you getting this idea that shooting the power conduit in and of itself destroys the crucible prior to the crucible firing? You are making no sense. Hence, I continue to believe this is a troll thread.

Who said anything about a happy ending?
We are talking about the lesser evil here. and about what is most logical to make.
You take it by granted that the crucible would fire in all three endings. 
Which is why its important that you forget the cutscenes you saw after you made a choice, and examine the situation from shepard shoes, from a think person shoes.
Does it make sense for your enemy to tell you how to destroy or control him. when he can just withdraw?
It make no sense for the catalyst to allow shepard to control or destroy the reapers
And the way it is performed by shooting the tube or electryin to death make no sense either when there are much better alternatives to achieving control or destroy. if only the catalyst wanted to.

[Erez Kristal]

BobtheReaper wrote...

It's also important to note that neither the Crucible nor the Mass Relays are completely destroyed. They are "severely damaged," as Hackett says, and even in the Destroy ending he also says, "But we can rebuild everything that was destroyed."

It doesn't matter if that was EC or not--that was the game author's original intention--you have to take that into account. It doesn't matter if the entire galaxy logically would go into a Dark Age or whether destroying a tube on the Crucible doesn't make sense.

Bioware says--"It makes sense shut up." There's nothing more to it--any argument on this is meaningless fantasy because the game itself does not support the OP's suppositions at all.

By reading your post i understand that since this is a fantasy game it should make sense.
Everything is clear now.

ending broken logic is whatever the writers of me3 needs it to be.

But if we dare think for ourself, and judge the ending scene not as bad writing and broken logic.
If we try to make sense of it.
We will see that refuse and synthesis are the only logical choices.

It either that or take the feed of whatever the writers of me3 tells you without questioning its artisitic integrity

[Erez Kristal]

silverexile17s wrote...


But the actual life-span of an asari is 1,000 years. The Reapers don't return until another 50,000 years after the Refuse ending. Liara would be long dead, if not harvested to create a Destroyer with.
Also, this is never factually stated, and the time capsules themselves fit the definition of "continuity of civilization." It's making sure that there will be future civilizations. Not preservation of the old one. Besides, the female stargazer explisitly says that all of the past cycle was dead, and speaks of them in past-tense. None of them survived.
Also, I remind you that the protheans had a heads-up that the Reapers were coming and actually acted on it. This cycle did not. So, based on that, how exactally do you figure that stasis pods of any kind would be built and operational by that point? They would have had to been built during the invasion -- where everything was being thrown into the Crucible. No resoruce could afford to not be used in the construction of the Crucible. Had that not been the case.... but it was, and it makes deviation of resources to create stasis pods absolutly impossible. Especally since the current cycle never bothered to research such tech in depth. The protheans had at least a decade. We would have had only a few years, since Ilos is prohibited from being studied since it's a historical site now, quarantined to prevent access to the Conduit. I'm sorry, but that female stargazer is not an asari -- it's just a female.

Can anyone really say that what we got pre-EC was any better then the original Dark Energy idea? The Reapers are still all but invincible, and they still have the "sudden anti-hero" motif going, except personified in the Catalyst instead of Harbinger. And we Still get a choice between letting them continue, and destroying them in the hopes that we can fumble along without their technology and prevent the "conflict" they were "preventing." It's a different presentation, but I daresay it's the same damn baseline formula. Just with two extra versions (direct them yourself, or help them force all life down their ideal path).

Well, I found that Dragon Age: Origins was pretty damn good. Which was why I was so shocked at how Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 turned out.

asari can make blue babies with everyone. all the last cycles before shepard cycles were dead. did this cycle not have headsup or acted on it? it did a lot more than the protheans.the council knew about the reapers for 30 years since shanxi and the meta turians. 
 the female stargazer could be anything, how far did the human race evolved in the last 20,000 years?>
who know how they will evolve in the future.

You have to face it, there is no one truth to this. after refuse anything could have happened.

Trying to analayse cutscenes which confrims or prove nothing will get you no where.
All you can do is hope to reach the best decision from the shepard- catalyst standdown.
its comes down to those three questions
 1) do you trust the catalyst
2) do you see no alternatives to defeating the reapers
3) is submission better than extinction
if you answered yes to even one of these 3 questions. you will never understand the logic behind refuse and there will be no help to you

3) Saying yes to 3, despite saying no to 1+2 support synthesis.